Xbox E3 Conference 6/11 2pm PST
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I doubt Nier would really sell at all on Xbox. When you have games like QB and Sunset flopping, what chance does Nier have.
I've always wondered about how much it really costs devs to port from PS4 to Xbox One. It must cost a pretty decent chunk if they aren't even willing to try it. If anyone has any dev insight to this, I'd love to hear
. Also curious to FFXV sales on Xbox One. Does anyone have numbers on that by chance?
digoutyoursoul
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A couple of new studios or expanding their current teams with more talent and new IP is what I want. I'm not dumb enough to think it's easy to accomplish, it isn't but I hope to see them do this. It can benefit us all as gamers after all.
Aside from the porting costs, I think the minimum required print for Xbox retail games is high. Granted the only Japanese game that this was an issue for was type zero but it probably adds to the issue. Also the team size of these companies could be an issue.I've always wondered about how much it really costs devs to port from PS4 to Xbox One. It must cost a pretty decent chunk if they aren't even willing to try it. If anyone has any dev insight to this, I'd love to hear
As for XV sales. We know it did like 450k opening NPD month. Which somehow gets downplayed a lot even though it's better than some exclusives
Yeah I don't really know if Nier would do well. I do think Nioh and Kingdom hearts would do well, but Nier would probably bomb
Banjo-Kazooie
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Can't be too much considering 5pb ported over Steins:Gate 0 just causeI've always wondered about how much it really costs devs to port from PS4 to Xbox One. It must cost a pretty decent chunk if they aren't even willing to try it. If anyone has any dev insight to this, I'd love to hear
LukasTaves
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The only consistency is that this happens every generation lol.
Remember when 360 got revealed and it was bad that it's library was only consistent of new IP? (Granted that was before all the big titles from 3rd parties were confirmed to release on it as well).
LukasTaves
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If they are holding publishing games on xbone due minimal prints then they are completely clueless. Release the game digitally globally, there's no way the game the game won't pay itself them.
Plenty of smaller games are doing that just fine having a physical edition on Ps4 only.
Ah, I didn't realize the minimum required print was a thing. That makes sense, but couldn't they just do digital release only then?
450K just on Xbox? Or total? Seems extremely high for just Xbox, lol.
There won't be a 500gb model :/
LukasTaves
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Also look at Hexer avatar. That game was the current most played free game for the week. Granted it was launch, but to come on top of Paladins, Roboblox and others show that at the very least xbox owners are not opposed to japanese gamers as some narratives try to pass.
Pretty sure that was just December as Harker mentioned it. But also it did way more on the PS4
I believe that list is the most downloaded of the week, not most played. Roblox and paladins chart on the actual most played list. A lot of people downloaded it cause of it being free(not downplaying the game of course)
LukasTaves
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Why not? Xbox 1 had many classics developed in Japan, 360 too. And Xbone started pretty well in that regard with a new game from Panzer Dragoon creator and Swery out of the gate.
And before this year the best Platinum project to date.
Granted somehow it all fell apart, but Xbox were always a google place to find some great japanese games.
hanspampel
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No. Different Xbox fans have different tastes and priorities
I want Microsoft to make Xbox the best platform to play and they do that with improvements and a future vision, no other company is coming close.
I don't need Microsoft to bring more games i do not care about and would not buy anyway.
And the most ironic thing about this is, that they bring games i want to Xbox like Path of Exile and City Skylines
This most diverse first party / exclusive lineup or bust notion is stupid when you have 1000 games to play anyway. People always only care about games they care. So you get the platform that fits your taste the best
LukasTaves
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Yeah, it did way more on Ps4, but there is no way they didn't made a profit.
To be honest it would need a massive fuck up to develop a game on one console and to become a flop that doesn't make even a profit when porting a game this day and age.
Specially when some of those games didn't sell past 100k in the first place.
If that's just Xbox One only, I think that's pretty dam decent considering "Japanese games bomb on Xbox." Also, I would hope PS4 would be able to do more sales with practically twice the fanbase, and being the console most connected with FF (Sorry Nintendo
).Xbox fans shouldn't have to demand anything. MS should create more first party studios for their own benefit. That fact that they haven't even though MS recognizes that they need to is baffling.
My conspiracy theory is that MS proper just won't fund new studios for Xbox, but I could be wrong.
Like platinum still wants to deal with Microsoft.
Agreed. The value proposition for the Xbox One at launch wasn't very good. If they were the same price, the Kinect could help people justify slightly lower performance, but $100 more for worse performance and a peripheral that a lot of people didn't want...that's a tough sell.
HeisenbergWW62
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PHENOMENAL post
LukasTaves
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I didn't even know it separated from downloaded to played, thought it was most played only.
SneakersSO
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Nier has sold more copies in the West than in Japan, and more copies on PS4 than on Steam. And if SE/Platinum wanted, they could just release Digital-only. There is just no desire to do so from a ton of JP devs. There is no reason its not on Xbox other than MS is not engaging with these devs to get them. Remember last generation, where MS went out of their way to engage with JP devs to ensure games like DMC4 & FFXIII, both games that were originally announced as PS3 exclusive, would launch day & date on the 360. That MS is long gone.
That was always overblown. Resident evil and dark souls games do just fine. Even DB xenoverse did fine. The 1 game that massively bombed was Type-0.If that's just Xbox One only, I think that's pretty dam decent considering "Japanese games bomb on Xbox." Also, I would hope PS4 would be able to do more sales with practically twice the fanbase, and being the console most connected with FF (Sorry Nintendo
Nah, if that were the case, Smite and Roblox would be the top games every week.
tiredheadcrab
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I think that had more to do with the fact that the HD era put a lot of hurt on developers financially and those games required bigger teams and longer dev cycles. Releasing on 2 platforms was better because it allowed them to get more sales. Both 360 and PS3 were a pain in the ass to develop for. This day those games are much easier to develop and the headaches of developing for HD games has kind of gone away.
MS also has courted developers to get blue dragon and lost odessy but I guess they looked at the numbers and it didn't make sense for them to invest in those games when their users were using Xbox live for multiplayer.
LukasTaves
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Speak for yourself.
Ms as a publisher has always historically worked with external studios, even during their PC era. Flight Simulator and Age of Empires started as external venues that they ended up acquiring, but they also benefited the industry and created new IP from working with external studios even for IP they don't own (Dungeon Siege, Mass Effect, and to an extent even the modern Ninja Gaiden for instance).
I really hope they never change that. That what made possible for MGS to always deliver some of the best games my entire life.
And honestly, I think even sony noticed that too, just look at what happened at ND and Santa Monica at the beginning of the generation, with other studios being closed, and Bloodborne that remains the best game Sony published on Ps4 (and personally, their best game in the last 15 years) and was a external collaboration.
It's easy to see how working with external developers gives you instantly the ability to have much more games in development at once, but Sony this gen also showed that when you have big internal studios that fail to deliver a hit can be a burden. Specially because if a release fails, you are practically locked into a new 3 year cycle to have a chance at making money with that studio again.
I don't mind at all and actually prefer for Ms to focus on a very tight 1st party studios, that are super efficient and deliver consistently great games on a few franchises, while work with external developers to diverse that.
Imo what they need to improve is to make no sure 3rd party game skips xbox if it doesn't have to (essentially games with exclusivity deals), and go batshit crazy with external developers funding tons of different sizes and types of games (potentially releasing them all to gamepass).
LukasTaves
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But they usually are, for instance they were 2nd and 3rd when PD launched and now are already back to top.
SenjutsuSage
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Microsoft's output has been totally fine, except in the area of Japanese RPG and more Japan centric titles in general. They are a crucial aspect of gaming as a whole imo, so those are a neccisity for a successful gaming platform.
The big issue Microsoft has is with the fact that we have these quiet stages where we don't know what's on the horizon, and that's a very important thing to provide your base of fans with, even if it's just one or two additional things that are new. Just make sure they are exciting and you show Xbox owners that you're serious about putting out some hits for your own platform.and won't entirely lean on 3rd party, even though 3rd party historically accounts for most of the sales anyway, except on Nintendo platforms.
Microsoft when doing major console releases, which Scorpio is, has never failed to accompany that with exciting new game announcements.
Greigor The Fellhand
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what if the "Eden falls" cyber punk dark rpg turns out real and done by from?
or was eden falls rumor disproved?
or was eden falls rumor disproved?
Art Vandilay
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I just want games like BB and Nioh on Xbox. Soulsborne type games have become my main priority lately.
LukasTaves
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Now that's something that Ms definitely needs to improve. I really hope that the current lack of announcements is due Phil want to make a blow up of japanese games in one of the big conferences (E3 or TGS) this year, otherwise that Japan trip was indeed nothing but fluff.
LukasTaves
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I think it was a mobile game.
Fake edit:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/visit-eden-falls/9wzdncrfjb7g
Yep.
SenjutsuSage
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Lukas, I agree with what you said so much. Work with external partners if they have to and just give us some fucking good games. Honestly, I think Microsoft should enter into a partnership for an exclusive action title with that team that just completed that game surge?
Great post. I think a lot of the reason Xbox has been failing in its first party sales is demographic related. Xbox gamers just don't care about Japanese games nearly as much as Sony gamers. One of the main reasons the 360 did so well was because it was the best place to play third party games.
However, MS desparately needs another big new franchise to take off. They've been on the Halo/Forza/Gears train for too long and it's stale. MS doesn't need niche variety, they need a Last of Us-type experience that blows people away.
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LukasTaves
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The Surge just released and Ashen apparently drinks from the same pool, might be enough to scratch that itchy until thew new one from From drops.
Art Vandilay
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Yeah, I think I'll pick up The Surge when it's on sale. I'll have to look into Ashen though. Not familiar with it.
Samurai G0SU
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Its a weird thing.
MS gets exclusives - BOO for all gamers! IT"S JUST ANOTHER SHOOTER. O WOW A MONEY HAT. BOMBA.
MS doesn't get many exclusives - THEY NEED TO MONEY HAT! WE NEED MAOR GAMES!!! WTF ARE THEY DOING!? NO GAMES LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
MS Tries new IP (first/2nd party) - ITS SHITE MATE - JUST THROW IT IN DA GUTTA. WASTE OF MONEY! USE IT ON YOUR FIRST PARTY! MAKE NEW GAMES!!!
MS doesnt moneyhat 3rd party marketing - GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVERRRR!!! What game do they have? O RLY A NEW PIRATE GAME? FART* Oh a sequel to what? CrackWhores3? PA HA HA HAAAA PASSSSSSSS. Oh I DONT WANT MORE RACING, FPS or TPS. I WANT SOMETHING NEW! I REMEMBER THAT GAME CALLED DRAGONSCALES BUT I DONT KNOW WHO THE WHITE DUCHEY LOOKING DUDE WAS. lULZWTF WAS HIS NAME BRO?
--- sad times when everything dwells into something Negative MS has to come out of. But then if we show any appreciation, we are brown nosing or a shill right? Used to love coming to GAF to discuss potential theories and broaden my imagination with conversation about possibibilties, lore, artwork, updates, potentials. Now its about who can guess right and who can tell others if they are right or wrong because of X, y or fuckin Z.
MS gets exclusives - BOO for all gamers! IT"S JUST ANOTHER SHOOTER. O WOW A MONEY HAT. BOMBA.
MS doesn't get many exclusives - THEY NEED TO MONEY HAT! WE NEED MAOR GAMES!!! WTF ARE THEY DOING!? NO GAMES LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
MS Tries new IP (first/2nd party) - ITS SHITE MATE - JUST THROW IT IN DA GUTTA. WASTE OF MONEY! USE IT ON YOUR FIRST PARTY! MAKE NEW GAMES!!!
MS doesnt moneyhat 3rd party marketing - GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVERRRR!!! What game do they have? O RLY A NEW PIRATE GAME? FART* Oh a sequel to what? CrackWhores3? PA HA HA HAAAA PASSSSSSSS. Oh I DONT WANT MORE RACING, FPS or TPS. I WANT SOMETHING NEW! I REMEMBER THAT GAME CALLED DRAGONSCALES BUT I DONT KNOW WHO THE WHITE DUCHEY LOOKING DUDE WAS. lULZWTF WAS HIS NAME BRO?
--- sad times when everything dwells into something Negative MS has to come out of. But then if we show any appreciation, we are brown nosing or a shill right? Used to love coming to GAF to discuss potential theories and broaden my imagination with conversation about possibibilties, lore, artwork, updates, potentials. Now its about who can guess right and who can tell others if they are right or wrong because of X, y or fuckin Z.
Watch out for that RayMan RPG exclusive coming to Xbox One this holiday -
featuring Minons and Rabbids to tie in with TV show series via Netflix.
featuring Minons and Rabbids to tie in with TV show series via Netflix.
HeisenbergWW62
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Nice meltdown
Jaguar Victory
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3/10 - not enough conspiracy nor edge
Shpeshal Nick
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I'm not sure why people think Microsoft won't announce ANYTHING new based on the cancellations of everything 2014.
I mean, lets assume for one second that Fable legends, Phantom Dust and Scalebound were all out by now as they should have been. They'd still need to have games for 2018.
Microsoft just generally doesn't have a history of intentionally announcing games they don't intend to release more than a year out.
I mean, lets assume for one second that Fable legends, Phantom Dust and Scalebound were all out by now as they should have been. They'd still need to have games for 2018.
Microsoft just generally doesn't have a history of intentionally announcing games they don't intend to release more than a year out.
LukasTaves
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To be honest Ms going on record to say the games are canceled hurts them more than actually canceling them.
That's one thing they need to learn from Sony as well, they just stop pretending it ever existed and never talk about it anymore, and this even gives then the ability to resurrect dead projects like TLG and create hype.
That's one thing they need to learn from Sony as well, they just stop pretending it ever existed and never talk about it anymore, and this even gives then the ability to resurrect dead projects like TLG and create hype.
Samurai G0SU
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Some business folks would say a refocus on allocations could strengthen a brand rather than stretch it thin with too many projects on the budget. im no business man though.
However, i like their refocus and shift with Xbox. Trim some fat, tighten up, hold a pack of water bottles while shouting "not now chief, im in the zone" and make some more MAU.
2018 will have Halo 6 and Forza Horizon 4. It's not that they won't announce anything, it's just that we want something new.
Yeah, it's the fact that we can predict a year's exclusives so far out because they're so predictable.
2018 - Halo 6, Forza Horizon 4
2019 - Gears 5, Forza 8
Man, can't wait for 2020. No FPS Halo and no Gears of War!
My two most anticipated games though
I love Halo and Forza Horizon as well. But I also want a story driven adventure game every now and then.
Samurai G0SU
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Well said, we need to be more demanding. Projects with external studios are fine and all but they're not a substitute for investment in first party. The proof, Remedy are now multi-plat, Insomniac are back making games for Sony, Platinum Games will never work with them again and Crytek are seemingly in terminal decline. Xbox One has become a franchise graveyard (I assume there won't be Ryse 2, SSO2, QB2), in that context those second party deals are going to be harder to make. The Japanese and indie game deficit (why is the latter still a thing?) piles on more misery. Should have invested in first party...
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