TheGameshark
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How the fuck does this happen? People at the school need to be fired.
Canadian Serial Killer Karla Homolka Volunteers at Elementary School
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Netherscourge
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Fuck that.
If I'm paying crazy money for my kid to go to a private school, I ain't playing the cause- effect shit.
I want to know ahead of time so I can take my kids out of the school before she even shows up.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Do we know what Kinatari's job is?
So this is really interesting - they felt like there was no way she was ready to be released, but it says that they thought she made progress towards rehabilitation - what does rehabilitation even look like for someone who did what she did? And was rehabilitation constructed as to rehabilitate someone who committed the crimes we found out she did, or the ones she was just legally charged with?
I'm gonna see if there is anything about her psychological profile at her release or even later maybe.
No that's really close - I have this feeling fundamentally, but situations like this really test and challenge it, but then the next questions I have in my head are 'where is the line, ethically and where should it be legally?'
Like really, do you wanna give it a rest yet?
Emperor_Uriel
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These days a male teacher gets treated with suspicion for hugging a kid, but a female child killer is still allowed to enter schools because she's of the "naturally nurturing gender."
This is really, genuinely frightening. What an utter lack of common sense.
This is really, genuinely frightening. What an utter lack of common sense.
Thought we already determined he was the lawyer? Or maybe he was the lawyer and then got a job at this school.
No. Again, as someone who worked at a private school, fuck no.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Fuck he's a lawyer for real? This explains EVERYTHING! That's why when he reads something he goes to an unimportant part (the malignant narcissist sexual sadist made some steps towards rehabiliation...which means everything DESPITE her history of lies and constant manipulation of authority), tries to make it appear important while ignoring everything else (we can't let her loose, she's dangerous). It's lawyer vision!
You're a fool. Every single prison psych she interviewed said she was a manipulative psychopath and said she WILL offend again. Her prison lovers, both male and female said she had no regrets about what she did, including raping and killing her own sister and making snuff films of everything.
She is a devil who is even more guilty than her husband, her lawyer covered up her role in everything and got her off big time. She should never be around children, much less have been allowed to have children.
It's incomprehensible to me that your only issue is that the school kicked the children out whose parents complained, righteously so. If your kids attended the school, you wouldn't have any issues with it? Would you be willing to take that chance?
No, I was just going by your savage burn upthread. At this point, though, it REALLY wouldn't surprise me at all. Either a lawyer or a troll.
Puppet Shadow
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Ya, I don't understand the school's position on this. It's not she she's a huge donator to the school (as far as I know). A private school is like any other business. Why keep one one customer if it means risking many more? And it's not for marketing reasons (that would be pretty fucked up), so I just don't get it.
Uh yeah I'm sorry but rehabilitated serial killers really shouldn't be at schools.
I'm all down for reintegrating people back into the normal world, but like come on lol this is beyond dumb
If it were up to me she really shouldn't be on the school grounds at all. Maaaaybe let her drop her kids off but she seriously shouldn't be stepping foot outside her vehicle
I'm all down for reintegrating people back into the normal world, but like come on lol this is beyond dumb
If it were up to me she really shouldn't be on the school grounds at all. Maaaaybe let her drop her kids off but she seriously shouldn't be stepping foot outside her vehicle
Can't I just be a dude who wants to have a fucking interesting conversations? Jesus christ you two have spent more time gossiping about me than saying anything -to- me, it's fucking embarrassing.
Oh good, you're fighting the good fight.
Reptars Revenge
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How to get away with Murder the Canadian adaption?
Technosteve
Banned
what's going on this thread, whats with the personal attacks?
"A serial killer of children should be allowed around children" is a shitty conversation
Homolka's not in jail because of an infamously bad plea bargain, so the death penalty has nothing to do with it.
I fail to see how the death penalty would have solved anything here. Unless you believe that manslaughter should qualify for capital punishment.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
You didn't read the thread did you? Google Karla Homolka. You'll learn a few things.
I get what you're going for Kinitari, the general idea that anyone & everyone can be rehabilitated and a productive part of society is a noble & great ideal, but in reality, I highly disagree that that's applicable for a lot of people, certainly in the case of a serial killer who murdered schoolchildren working at A SCHOOL.
There are levels to rehabilitation, now if she wants to fuckoff to South America somewhere & live life as a farmer, all the power to her, but there's no scenario where this situation needs to be more deeply examined or debated imo. Keep the child serial killer away from children seems like a pretty simple & logical thing to do.
There are levels to rehabilitation, now if she wants to fuckoff to South America somewhere & live life as a farmer, all the power to her, but there's no scenario where this situation needs to be more deeply examined or debated imo. Keep the child serial killer away from children seems like a pretty simple & logical thing to do.
The interesting conversation is asking -why- this is happening, how it could happen, what to do when something like this happens. I don't even know if she should be allowed to have anything to do with her own kids - but does that mean that the government should take them away, and on what basis? This is why her psychological profile would be interesting - if her psychiatrists say she's fit to have her kids for example, what legal path would the government use to take her kids away? If there are none, what does that mean her relationship with her kids school should be? Should her kids be homeschooled? Should the government have someone provided who would legally be the person taking her kids to and from school?
Like this shit is interesting to me.
One of the worst serial killers in the country's history who happened to be a child killer. Let into classes with other children? How fucking tone deaf and dense do you have to be? I'd like to know the step by step causation line of thinking behind this. Knitting? Are you fucking kidding me? Sounds like someone needs some hard-as-fuck slaps to the face.
This person is a different class of evil compared to the more garden variety bad scumbag criminals.
This person is a different class of evil compared to the more garden variety bad scumbag criminals.
mmazurkiewicz
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this lady looks like kellyanne:
On some level that idea appeals to me, but then what - isn't that just us pawning off one of our worst criminals in recent history to a different country? How would you feel if she went to some south american country and killed some kids? Wouldn't that make you feel shitty as a Canadian?
Yes, I didn't read the thread that I've been posting in for multiple pages. Let's keep upping the condescension, why don't ya.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Then you'd have known she only copped a manslaughter charge because she was considered an unwilling accomplice. Until video evidence of her raping and murdering came to lighr. So about that manslaughter again?
He asked you for links about her rehabilitation and why doctors didn't agree she was ready. All you've done is talk about that without linking something we can all read. You need to calm down and stop attacking him if you're not willing to show him why she's not totally rehabilitated.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
What the fuck are you talking about? There's been tons of links in the thread already. Including links that show Canadian authorities believed that she's not rehabilitated. And that serial killers CANNOT be rehabilitated. Keep defending the child rapist and killer.
freethoughtbubble
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I literally can't believe some of the shit Kinitari posted in this thread. And to think they purportedly don't understand why the reaction has been almost universally negative, why the sought after engagement has not come. It's honestly disconcerting.
I believe in rehabilitation but not so dogmatically as to think that a sadistic rapist and murderer of children can, or even deserves to be rehabilitated. There must be a limit. Some crimes are, in fact, unforgivable.
And to answer the obvious follow-up questions from Kinitari: Serial killing. You draw the fucking line at serial killing and work down from there. What do we do now? How about the school should have the common sense and basic human decency not to employ this woman as a volunteer around children? There, at a minimum, that's what should be done in the absence of actual justice.
Well no.
And in this case it would have made no difference. She still would have been free, even with the death penalty. She made a deal and got a reduced sentence, in exchange for ratting out Bernardo. The damaging tapes, which made it clear she was an equal and willing participant, were found after the deal was made
He's saying that her conviction wouldn't have received the death penalty even if Canada had one. She gamed the system and got a lesser charge than she deserved, but that happens.
Of course, but my question was how having the death penalty in place would have done anything when she was convicted of manslaughter.
So thanks for at least trying to talk to me about this, that's fucking something.
Yeah, I think serial killer probably isn't a bad line for life in prison - if that's the law I don't think I'm protesting it. Obviously that's not an option in this case - so what is? I guess what your position is, is that we should rely on the society to sort of deal with her? As in exclude and shun her - but in this case society (the school) isn't - and I am trying to think why, and one of my only guesses is because of her kids. She has kids and they're in school, and the school knows that if they kick her our, her kids probably can't go to that school anymore - and then what school would take them except a public school? So then Karla is going to a public school to drop off her kids. Or would it be okay if she just didn't teach classes? I think that's legit - but I feel like that wouldn't be enough for most people.
So they kick her out, and her kids can't find any other schools except public - at this point should the government be appointing a caregiver to deal with these situations? Or should her kids be taken away? If her kids should be taken away, is there a legal avenue for that - and if so, why would it not have been employed already? Instinctively, I imagine it's because she's been 'cleared' for having kids, psychologically? Or is there a chance that they think she SHOULDN'T have kids?
I am trying to read about this sort of thing right now, I found a couple of links:
http://allthingscrimeblog.com/2014/...l-evaluation-abuse-victim-or-just-plain-evil/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/homolkas-psychiatric-report-released/article20422606/
if anyone else is even slightly as interested as I am.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
That's not what he's saying. He saying that a manslaughter charge doesn't deserve the death penalty. But with the facts of the case known, it should have never been manslaughter anyway.
NO FUCKING SHIT!!!
turnbuckle
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https://youtu.be/_OoLLqYBdVQ
The HBO series autopsy covered this case awhile back. There were a lot of messed up cases on that show, but this was probably the most unsettling to me.
I'm not a proponent of the death penalty, but I would make an exception for her. Certainly wouldn't want her anywhere near kids.
The HBO series autopsy covered this case awhile back. There were a lot of messed up cases on that show, but this was probably the most unsettling to me.
I'm not a proponent of the death penalty, but I would make an exception for her. Certainly wouldn't want her anywhere near kids.
It is interesting to you that a serial rapist and serial killer is volunteering around children and schools and that parents of said children weren't even informed? What a laugh riot. So interesting.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
So for those of you joining us.
Karla Homolka is a Canadian serial killer and rapist who participated in the kidnapping, torture and murder of 3 teenage girls. The first victim was her own sister, Tammy whom her husband and accomplice Paul Bernardo wanted to rape. Karla drugged her 15 years old sister at at family party, and raped and killed her with Paul while filming the murder. After the funeral she rubbed a rose on Paul's penis and laid it on her sister's grave. She then wore her dead sister's clothes, and had sex with Paul in a homemade porn film shot in Tammy's bed, while she was acting as Tammy. They went on to kidnap and murder two other teenage girls and made snuff films out of the crimes which include both Paul and Karla raping and torturing the girls. In the videos Paul piss and shit on the victims. One of the girls was dismembered and encased in cement.
Eventually they got caught but Karla played the part of abused victim. She was forced to helped Paul. The prosecution offered her a plea deal thinking her testimony would settle Paul's fate. After the deal was signed, they found their stash of snuff films and realized Karla was an active killer and rapist. But the law protected her rights to not incriminate herself. And she had disclosed a lot of good info. She got only 12 years because of the deal she made. Videos also showed her raping 4 other females victims.
While in prison, she became a manipulative queen bee who used female inmates and male guards for her entertainment and benefit. Prison psychiatrists diagnosed her as a malignant narcissist who probably pushed Paul to kill. He was a serial rapist but never a killer. She was deemed a danger and was refused release for as long as they could...but the deal was there. She was released. She immediately started dating a man who murdered a woman.
Now she is working at a school in Montreal with young girls. You might think this is not OK. Or not. Some Gaffers thinks she's rehabilitated despite the Canadian authorities's insistence that's she's not. You can google the case, and make up your own mind.
Karla Homolka is a Canadian serial killer and rapist who participated in the kidnapping, torture and murder of 3 teenage girls. The first victim was her own sister, Tammy whom her husband and accomplice Paul Bernardo wanted to rape. Karla drugged her 15 years old sister at at family party, and raped and killed her with Paul while filming the murder. After the funeral she rubbed a rose on Paul's penis and laid it on her sister's grave. She then wore her dead sister's clothes, and had sex with Paul in a homemade porn film shot in Tammy's bed, while she was acting as Tammy. They went on to kidnap and murder two other teenage girls and made snuff films out of the crimes which include both Paul and Karla raping and torturing the girls. In the videos Paul piss and shit on the victims. One of the girls was dismembered and encased in cement.
Eventually they got caught but Karla played the part of abused victim. She was forced to helped Paul. The prosecution offered her a plea deal thinking her testimony would settle Paul's fate. After the deal was signed, they found their stash of snuff films and realized Karla was an active killer and rapist. But the law protected her rights to not incriminate herself. And she had disclosed a lot of good info. She got only 12 years because of the deal she made. Videos also showed her raping 4 other females victims.
While in prison, she became a manipulative queen bee who used female inmates and male guards for her entertainment and benefit. Prison psychiatrists diagnosed her as a malignant narcissist who probably pushed Paul to kill. He was a serial rapist but never a killer. She was deemed a danger and was refused release for as long as they could...but the deal was there. She was released. She immediately started dating a man who murdered a woman.
Now she is working at a school in Montreal with young girls. You might think this is not OK. Or not. Some Gaffers thinks she's rehabilitated despite the Canadian authorities's insistence that's she's not. You can google the case, and make up your own mind.
StrangeRoboMemory
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I wish I believed in Hell so I could be certain that this piece of human garbage would suffer there forever. The unfortunate reality is that this entire thing is heartbreaking, horrible, and infuriatingly frustrating, and this horrifyingly awful asshole is walking the streets and doing her thing in broad daylight, around normal folks and their children. The school is absolutely idiotic...painfully misguided at best, but more like on the verge of criminal negligence.
And to the people talking about the possibility of rehabilitation here...no. I'm a bleeding heart liberal and all, but there's simply no rehabilitating the sort of mindset that was capable of her crimes. For a supposed human being to be capable of this kind of shit - it's absolutely haunting. I can't believe that a mind like that can ever be changed. I don't buy it for a second. She wasn't born into some brainwashed cult or raised to believe this was okay or something like that. This is something she did on her own initiative as a willing participant. Nightmarish.
Some of the defense that folks are mustering here, the "just asking questions" line, the "hey, what about the research and facts that prove she's rehabilitated"...are you all serious, man? Did you all actually read the gory details of what she did? Would you honestly want this woman anywhere near you and your family? What if your kid's school was allowing her on campus and even in the classroom without your knowledge?
And to the people talking about the possibility of rehabilitation here...no. I'm a bleeding heart liberal and all, but there's simply no rehabilitating the sort of mindset that was capable of her crimes. For a supposed human being to be capable of this kind of shit - it's absolutely haunting. I can't believe that a mind like that can ever be changed. I don't buy it for a second. She wasn't born into some brainwashed cult or raised to believe this was okay or something like that. This is something she did on her own initiative as a willing participant. Nightmarish.
Some of the defense that folks are mustering here, the "just asking questions" line, the "hey, what about the research and facts that prove she's rehabilitated"...are you all serious, man? Did you all actually read the gory details of what she did? Would you honestly want this woman anywhere near you and your family? What if your kid's school was allowing her on campus and even in the classroom without your knowledge?
Yes, but with a manslaughter charge/conviction, she wasn't getting the death penalty, even if she was in Texas. This is one of those forgo punishing the guilty to avoid punishing the innocent parts of legal procedure. Morally, she should be on the dangerous offenders list and in prison for the rest of her life. Legally, she did her time and is free.
I am against her being anywhere near kids though. I have no idea why that school is standing up for her involvement. I recognize that her kids have the right to be educated and given a chance at a normal life (though it's hard to imagine they will have said normal life), but classroom volunteering isn't a mandatory/protected part of parenthood.
Perfect Blue
Banned
lol people defending Karla Homolka. When Progressivism goes too far.
She's a sociopath and a monster who should have been locked up forever and only isn't because the Crown completely botched it with the evidence found after her plea deal. I weep for those children.
She's a sociopath and a monster who should have been locked up forever and only isn't because the Crown completely botched it with the evidence found after her plea deal. I weep for those children.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I am 100% certain that the Defense force has shown more emotion in this topic towards Homolka's rights than they ever did for the victims.
DiscoJer
Member
I remember reading about these murders. Really nasty.
This world is really nuts. Somehow people go to jail for a long time for essentially victimless crimes, while violence crimes, murderers, rapists, child molesters, get out after only 10-15 years.
There really is no justice in this world.
This world is really nuts. Somehow people go to jail for a long time for essentially victimless crimes, while violence crimes, murderers, rapists, child molesters, get out after only 10-15 years.
There really is no justice in this world.
What did he mean by this?
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Rehabilitation should be the goal of all justice systems