Demos: People Who Say Society Is Too PC Tend Not To Have Experienced Discrimination

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Is Donald Trump really speaking for a "silent" majority of Americans when he says that political correctness is a scourge on the nation? Or do most Americans deeply value tolerance and inclusivity? The answer to this question may well decide the election this fall, so we decided to crunch the numbers. The data suggests that like so much in our changing society, your perspective depends on where you sit. And one key source of this divide is perceptions of continued discrimination in our society.
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We find that those who believe society is becoming overly politically correct also tend to believe there is less discrimination in society against African-Americans. We also find they are less likely to say there is discrimination against gays and lesbians. The chart below shows how much discrimination respondents perceive against African-Americans based on their views on more "politically correct" or inclusive language.
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Twenty-eight percent of respondents (and 32 percent of white respondents) say that African-Americans face "a little" or "no" discrimination despite overwhelming evidence and personal accounts of blatant discrimination on a daily basis against groups based on their race, gender, sexuality, and other identities. One study finds that "John" will be offered $4,000 more than "Jennifer" for the same job. Another finds that resumes with white-sounding names are more likely to be asked for an interview than identical resumes with black-sounding names.
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Somewhat unsurprisingly, there are strong racial divides on the question of political correctness, with whites more likely to say that "people are too easily offended:" 71% of whites, compared to only 34% of blacks and 42% of all people of color agree with this. We also find that those who faced discrimination based on their skin color are more likely to support changing language norms, and this holds true even among only people of color (which ensures the result doesn't merely reflect racial differences in views on political correctness)

Optimistically though, these data indicate that the reverse is also true: those who recognize that there is a great deal of discrimination against blacks are more likely to believe society needs to become more sensitive. The chart below shows that whites who say that blacks face "a great deal" or "a lot" of discrimination are more likely to say language needs to change.
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Also optimistically, whites who recognize that there is a great deal of discrimination against blacks are much more likely to believe that society needs to become more inclusive than whites who deny racial bias.

The data are clear: those who acknowledge that discrimination exists and have experienced it themselves think society needs to become more sensitive to people from different backgrounds. Those who haven't, don't. The majority of people who believe society is overly politically correct, then, are likely speaking from their own lived experience: they may not have experienced discrimination or may not think it occurs much, so when people take offense, they believe society is simply being too sensitive.
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And water is wet.
 
I can agree with this, though perhaps PC isn't the right word, I do think there's a tendency to be hyper aggressive to those with opposing viewpoints (I say this as a minority).
 
I'm glad someone linked this. I wanted to the other day but was too fatigued to really want to deal with some knee-jerk responses I am sure it'll get.
 
These are usually donald trump supporters who like how he is anti intellectual just to be contrarian.

Not to say there arent elements of the left that go overboard into authoritarian streaks and generally act disgusting and hypocritical because they don't want to confront contrarian views(aka the kerfuffle against Milo what's his name speaking at that university)

But we can say for sure that the vast majority of people who complain about PC culture are not actually talking about those things and are talking about the broader landscape in fighting for social justice and how uncomfortable they are with that.

The alt right was created from rightwing sentiments on actual social justice advocacy after all, its surely no secret where the sentiments came from.
 
Slayven said:
Bigotry isn't an opposing view point
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I agree with you, but do you think it's as black and white (no pun intended)? I think this might go back to the 'calling out culture' thread the more I think on it.

Edit:

I think what I'm getting at is if 2 people are coming to the same conclusion(for example, let's assume both people agree that a trans person should use the bathroom they most identify with), but one of them might not be able to communicate their thoughts as well as the other, the person whom is poorer at expressing their words might say something that might not sound all too great, even though they are in agreement with the stated conclusion. But I do think there is a tendency for some to take those words as a mark against the individual, so it becomes more "communicate as I do" instead of trying to work out what the person means.

I hope I'm explaining that right.
 
Of course. Empathy is the hardest thing for any human. Just can't believe anything unless they also are experiencing it
 
Slayven said:
Not shocking all
Anti PC has always been = "I just want to call blacks niggers, gays fags, etc"
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Coupled with a healthy dosage of "Man I wish groups who aren't white and male would stop complaining about being marginalized all the time. So annoying ugh."

Inuhanyou said:
These are usually donald trump supporters who like how he is anti intellectual just to be contrarian.

Not to say there arent elements of the left that go overboard into authoritarian streaks and generally act disgusting and hypocritical because they don't want to confront contrarian views(aka the kerfuffle against Milo what's his name speaking at that university)
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My dude there's nothing contrarian about Milo nor hypocritical about not letting speak ANYWHERE, he's a piece of shit who openly harasses people at any event he speaks at. He'd be rightfully jailed in the netherlands for the shit that he pulls. Fuck Milo. FUCK MILO.
 
Yup

Getting more and more annoyed at folks calling foul of the need for political correctness, as if that's a debilitating struggle in anyone's life :/
 
Inuhanyou said:
These are usually donald trump supporters who like how he is anti intellectual just to be contrarian.

Not to say there arent elements of the left that go overboard into authoritarian streaks and generally act disgusting and hypocritical because they don't want to confront contrarian views(aka the kerfuffle against Milo what's his name speaking at that university)

But we can say for sure that the vast majority of people who complain about PC culture are not actually talking about those things and are talking about the broader landscape in fighting for social justice and how uncomfortable they are with that.

The alt right was created from rightwing sentiments on actual social justice advocacy after all, its surely no secret where the sentiments came from.
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Mentioning Milo as example of the "left going overboard" is quite frankly ridiculous. The dude doesn't come to university to talk, he comes literally to harass, bully and doxx students. He should never be allowed to ever speak at a university ever again in his life. He belongs in prison, but meanwhile, students should absolutely protest, obstruct and do everything they can to stop him from literally commiting crimes against their fellow students.
 
Slayven said:
Not shocking all
Anti PC has always been = "I just want to call blacks niggers, gays fags, etc"
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I mean, there's no stopping you from being an asshole and saying those things, but someone saying that they're an asshole probably wouldn't go over well most people.

The solution to all this is to say you're "Anti-PC", which is ironically a pretty PC term.
 
Anti-PC basically means anti basic human fucking decency. Anyone who's proud of that is likely an asshole. The fact that there needed to be research about this obvious fact is ridiculous...
 
Yeah this is something most people with the capacity to be fractionally empathetic to others already understood.

People making a fuss over something PC want to define their own behaviour as "normal" and anything else is "abnormal"/"Politically Correct". Which obviously is opposite of the truth.

Anti-PC crowd want to normalize bigotry & marginalization.

That's literally all it is. Anti-PC people want to play the victim, while trying to push an agenda that creates the victimization of others.

Good that theres more data to back that up though.
 
Inuhanyou said:
These are usually donald trump supporters who like how he is anti intellectual just to be contrarian.

Not to say there arent elements of the left that go overboard into authoritarian streaks and generally act disgusting and hypocritical because they don't want to confront contrarian views(aka the kerfuffle against Milo what's his name speaking at that university)

But we can say for sure that the vast majority of people who complain about PC culture are not actually talking about those things and are talking about the broader landscape in fighting for social justice and how uncomfortable they are with that.

The alt right was created from rightwing sentiments on actual social justice advocacy after all, its surely no secret where the sentiments came from.
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Framing the whole Milo stuff as an example of the left going overboard when faced with differing views is rather disingenuous. He literally goes around sexually harassing and doxxing students at the universities where he speaks. A dude got shot by one of his fans. It should be seen as a safety issue.
 
what a surprise!

I think the great majority of reactionary sentiment comes from privileged folks who really don't understand how bad other people have it. So much conservative rhetoric is about blaming black people for their own poverty, or denying the existence of any sexism in our society. If these problems aren't real, then these people should just shut up.
 
I'm biracial and think society is too pc but almost never say it because basically anyone who says it publicly just wants to be a bigoted cunt with no repercussions.
 
jstripes said:
But they have faced discrimination. Someone said Happy Holidays to them.
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The monsters.

Personal opinions are almost always formed from personal experience so of course white people can't wrapped their coddled minds around the fact that others experiences are completely different. Watch a group of white kids and a group of black kids enter a store, both groups get looked at but one group is under constant surveillance.
 
Didn't need a study to know that. The things I hear from co-workers when they think no one is listening saddens me.
 
Air said:
I agree with you, but do you think it's as black and white (no pun intended)? I think this might go back to the 'calling out culture' thread the more I think on it.

Edit:

I think what I'm getting at is if 2 people are coming to the same conclusion(for example, let's assume both people agree that a trans person should use the bathroom they most identify with), but one of them might not be able to communicate their thoughts as well as the other, the person whom is poorer at expressing their words might say something that might not sound all too great, even though they are in agreement with the stated conclusion. But I do think there is a tendency for some to take those words as a mark against the individual, so it becomes more "communicate as I do" instead of trying to work out what the person means.

I hope I'm explaining that right.
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I don't even know what you are trying to say
 
Y'know it's occurred to me that the supposed anti PC people are usually more interested in controlling the acceptability of content in Media or discussions than the people they are supposedly fighting. Like how they meet any inclusivity in Media with skepticism or dismissal as pandering or an agenda. Or their tendency to shut down any discussion about societal discrimination, topics that aren't PC.

It's like they're enforcing their own Political Correctness masquerading as being anti Political Correctness.
 
Derwind said:
Yeah this is something most people with the capacity to be fractionally empathetic to others already understood.

People making a fuss over something PC want to define their own behaviour as "normal" and anything else is "abnormal"/"Politically Correct". Which obviously is opposite of the truth.

Anti-PC crowd want to normalize bigotry & marginalization.

That's literally all it is. Anti-PC people want to play the victim, while trying to push an agenda that creates the victimization of others.

Good that theres more data to back that up though.
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Pretty much. Basically they co-opted a clever sounding term and turned it into a way to obfuscate and dismiss the concerns of the oppressed (visible minorities, women, the mentally ill etc). From Vox:
My position on "political correctness" is pretty well established: As I've written before, I don't think it's a real thing in and of itself. Sure, it certainly sounds like a real problem. Indeed, if you listen to critics of political correctness, it's a scourge that threatens our basic liberties and the foundations of American society. But as Clark's simple experiment shows, that's not what's really going on when people complain about PC culture.

The truth is that accusations of "political correctness" are a sort of catchall charge that's used against people who ask for more sensitivity to a particular cause than someone else is willing to give — a way to dismiss issues as frivolous in order to justify ignoring them.

That's why the results of Clark's browser extension are so striking. When you replace "political correctness" with what it really is — a cold dismissal of people's requests to be treated with respect — it not only makes the response seem wrong, it makes it seem comically overblown.
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I won't necessarily say "too pc". My family and I have experienced discrimination. But at the very least an effect of this 'war', Twitter mobs, is something I find disgusting and wish would stop.

Edit: to clarify those fighting for justice aren't the only culprits, the other side does it too. I just wish as a whole it would stop.
 
I really wonder how we can help to solve this problem in the future. I've heard to idea to do interstate-intercity where urban and rural kids switch places for like a month's time to see how the other lives. Sounds good on paper, but I don't know how much that would work out in practice.

This is one place the arts can shine, but with so much content being produced nowadays it's very easy to pick and choose what you want to consume based on your biases. I remember there was an article (maybe here) that more and more people identifying as liberal were watching more traditional shows, dramas and sitcoms, but those identifying as conservative were retreating more into reality shows, game shows and reruns of older shows.

I don't know if there is an answer.
 
Lord Frieza said:
I really wonder how we can help to solve this problem in the future. I've heard to idea to do interstate-intercity where urban and rural kids switch places for like a month's time to see how the other lives. Sounds good on paper, but I don't know how much that would work out in practice.

This is one place the arts can shine, but with so much content being produced nowadays it's very easy to pick and choose what you want to consume based on your biases. I remember there was an article (maybe here) that more and more people identifying as liberal were watching more traditional shows, dramas and sitcoms, but those identifying as conservative were retreating more into reality shows, game shows and reruns of older shows.

I don't know if there is an answer.
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the problem is that the people wondering how to solve the problem are the people that can't solve the problem.
 
Inuhanyou said:
These are usually donald trump supporters who like how he is anti intellectual just to be contrarian.

Not to say there arent elements of the left that go overboard into authoritarian streaks and generally act disgusting and hypocritical because they don't want to confront contrarian views(aka the kerfuffle against Milo what's his name speaking at that university)

But we can say for sure that the vast majority of people who complain about PC culture are not actually talking about those things and are talking about the broader landscape in fighting for social justice and how uncomfortable they are with that.

The alt right was created from rightwing sentiments on actual social justice advocacy after all, its surely no secret where the sentiments came from.
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Lol
 
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