Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.

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17 and Piccolo are already bros. Dat handshake.

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I wanted this to happen so badly. Good memories.
 
He showed Goku his family so no.



"other than" dude. That's what I'm talking about, you don't get to brush it off.

Jiren is clearly set up as the "main" rival of Goku in this arc, we had never seen him before, and he is a participant of a tournament, so he's not "evil", just a strong opponent. This is exactly like how Hit was presented. That was my point.

But from the moment we saw Hit on screen, he was given several things to work with, his indifferent demeanor regarding Vegeta and Goku's powers, Goku saying that guy was strong, that culminated with the Frost scene, showing us a sneak peak as to why Hit was special.

Jiren has been mentioned 10 episodes ago, there's been a lot of setup in his universe, yet we know nothing besides "he's strong", we've only seen the "red aura" and that's about it. We know he punches hard thanks to the OP. On top of an intentionally bland design, it's really hard to be excited for this character.

So as I said, they did a better job with Hit than they did with Jiren.

That's the thing, Jiren has only been on scene for about ten seconds. Not comparable to Tien or any other main rival of Goku. Unlike with Hit, they're building him up in a different way, especially since we see him fighting Goku as an equal in the intro every week.
 
With the addition of Freeza this tournament will feature the smuggest fighters in all the Multiverse. I'm interested in seeing who goes next level with their smug during the fighting.
 
That's the thing, Jiren has only been on scene for about ten seconds. Not comparable to Tien or any other main rival of Goku. Unlike with Hit, they're building him up in a different way, especially since we see him fighting Goku as an equal in the intro every week.

Right.

And to me, this doesn't work. I have 0 interest in this character. I didn't like Hit but I was certainly interested and curious.

I wasn't saying they handled both the same way, that was my point, they didn't even though they fit the same role, for the story. And to me it didn't work as well.

There's nothing compelling about Jiren because, as you said, we haven't seen him enough. Yet he's hammered every week in the intro. It's not like we can ignore the intro, they know what they're doing.
 
Again, Vegeta's screwing himself with the whole teamwork thing.
That's just Vegeta talking shit. At the end of the day, he'll make sure he'll do his best to win the thing. He'll eventually come around to it like he did in Boo arc and the Future Trunks arc. Though in this situation it might be too late.
 
That's just Vegeta talking shit. At the end of the day, he'll make sure he'll do his best to win the thing. He'll eventually come around to it like he did in Boo arc and the Future Trunks arc. Though in this situation it might be too late.

I would agree except he's barely had any development while characters like Gohan, Krillin and Roshi have had quite a bit.
 
Because he's filling the exact same role Hit had ?

Except they had shown us the encounter with Hit and Frost so that offered a sneak peak into what the character could do. It created anticipation for his battle.

Here we're going in the battle directly with Jiren thrown in, but haven't been shown anything that should make us care.

"Woah he can punch hard, sick" "Woah a red aura, sick".

They can show Jiren facing some other team before getting to the U7 team and Goku during the tournament itself.
 
I would agree except he's barely had any development while characters like Gohan, Krillin and Roshi have had quite a bit.

To be fair, Vegeta was literally the second main character for 70 episodes.

They probably felt like he had enough development. Which he did.

Think of Vegeta in Z and how he is now. He didn't need more screentime.

They can show Jiren facing someone else before getting to Goku during the tournament itself.

It's too late though. We've known about him for months and there has been complete apathy for him for months. I know some people like him but we can't say he's having a lot of fans compared to Gohan 17 and the new saiyans. Based off what I see on tumblr an other forums.

And it's also a far cry from the hype Hit generated. Or Black.

So basically he's the absolute worst main antagonist this show has gotten, so far. At least in how they handled the anticipation.
 
Glad to see I'm not the only one expecting Hit to job. I think we'll see a lot of the familiar fighters from other universes taken out relatively easily for the new faces.
 
Both the opening and the ending make it clear that Vegeta is still the second main character... They were just giving him a break for the recruitment arc.
 
good riddance to Frie-Za. such a horrible spelling

are guns (w/ bullets) even a threat in the DB universe? 18 let her daughter off so easily
 
Man they're stretching this out way too long

When is the tournament scheduled to begin?

These episodes are wearing on me
 
Both the opening and the ending make it clear that Vegeta is still the second main character... They were just giving him a break for the recruitment arc.

I think they are trying to blur the lines of "main characters", outside of Goku.

Which is great. It's been a long time since DBZ has had a true ensemble cast.

Man they're stretching this out way too long

When is the tournament scheduled to begin?

These episodes are wearing on me

3 more episodes.
 
So basically he's the absolute worst main antagonist this show has gotten, so far. At least in how they handled the anticipation.

The tournament can be long enough he can be introduced and receive build up during the tournament itself though. At least, that's what I'm expecting to happen at this point, unless he (and the tournament itself) turns out to be a red herring.

Oddest bit about him is that so far we haven't seen Toriyama artwork for him, which seems odd for the main rival. Considering the Gods of Destruction at least, the ones designed by Toriyama seem to be the most active.
 
I would agree except he's barely had any development while characters like Gohan, Krillin and Roshi have had quite a bit.
Vegeta's is pretty much the only character who has had constant development, it makes sense that they didn't focus on him much while focusing on all these other characters.
 
Okay, I loved this episode! Between the interactions between 17, 18, Krillin, and Piccolo, and the way Goku and Frieza greet each other, this episode's been a huge treat for me. I especially loved the teasing of a rematch between 17 and Piccolo (even if, at this point, 17 would probably win soundly).

Also, are they hinting at Marron actually being something more than a side character in the future? Probably wishful thinking on my part, but even just having the possibility piques my interest quite a bit. I can only wonder what they have planned...

I have feeling/hope that once they allow Trunks and Goten's characters to physically age the show will time skip and Marron, Pan, and Bulla/Bra will be the "kids" of the show and they'll all be fighting to one degree or another. Assuming Super keeps going and they blast past and retcon the end of Z.
 
My GIF making program isn't wanting to play nice today. Whatever, here's a GIF someone requested, sorry about the artifacts.
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And I felt like GIFing this little action scene.
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You can like it, but it's still very generic and bland. (intentionally so)

On top of that, all we know is that he can "punch hard". That's really hard to get excited when you have Gohan, Roshi, 17 and Frieza back, and female super saiyans on the other hand.

That's my 2 cents anyway. I haven't seen much hype for Jiren besides ArchedThunder you and two other dudes in here.

I feel like Hit was better at whatever Jiren is supposed to convey.

I agree thus far.

I mean they've given Toppo way more development and other than him; I find the Pride Troopers the least interesting out of all the new characters.

Hopefully they can give him some decent characterization during the actual tournament.
 

I loved this moment. Goku's personality in Super is so fun. His hunger for battle, his willingness to lie to reach an end, the oblivious side to him, his cunning when it comes to battle, the innocence he often displays. I love all of it. I always felt Goku was such a boring main character but Super has really turned me into a fan of him
 
Right.

And to me, this doesn't work. I have 0 interest in this character. I didn't like Hit but I was certainly interested and curious.

I wasn't saying they handled both the same way, that was my point, they didn't even though they fit the same role, for the story. And to me it didn't work as well.

There's nothing compelling about Jiren because, as you said, we haven't seen him enough. Yet he's hammered every week in the intro. It's not like we can ignore the intro, they know what they're doing.

That's fine, but it gets boring if they just repeat the same thing so I don't mind that they're not just repeating Jiren with Hit and they don't have to. Since we will see Jiren fight more than a few times, unlike Hit who only got Frost and then stomped Vegeta before fighting Goku.

To be fair, Vegeta was literally the second main character for 70 episodes.

They probably felt like he had enough development. Which he did.

Think of Vegeta in Z and how he is now. He didn't need more screentime.



It's too late though. We've known about him for months and there has been complete apathy for him for months. I know some people like him but we can't say he's having a lot of fans compared to Gohan 17 and the new saiyans. Based off what I see on tumblr an other forums.

And it's also a far cry from the hype Hit generated. Or Black.

So basically he's the absolute worst main antagonist this show has gotten, so far. At least in how they handled the anticipation.

Gohan is an old character and the new Saiyans are liked for being Saiyans. As for 17....there is no nice way to put this, 17 doesn't have a lot of fans. And Black was the central villain who drove the story of the Future Trunks Saga, something that Hit didn't do.
 
The art in this episode was great in the Goku/Freeza scenes. It was nice to see a slight change up and for it to actually look good, on top of that the direction was great as well. What I would give for the whole series to keep this level of quality.
 
The art in this episode was great in the Goku/Freeza scenes. It was nice to see a slight change up and for it to actually look good, on top of that the direction was great as well. What I would give for the whole series to keep this level of quality.

The entire arc has stepped up the production quality so I don't know what you're talking about.

On average we're far above what the show used to be.
 
Tried REALLY hard to keep this short, didn't want to fill it with shots of Freeza's transformation scene and tried to stay away from shots that were in the NEP last week.
What a beautiful episode.

The entire arc has stepped up the production quality so I don't know what you're talking about.

On average we're far above what the show used to be.

Exactly. You only need to go back to the Trunks arc to see how sterile things used to look.

After F every arc looks better than the last. I'm excited to see how the next arc looks, this arc has been transformative for the show.
 
I feel bad for the dub only guys cause they're now out the biggest lowpoint in the series.

Oh my god are they in FnF ?

Jesus..... Welp time for the show to die in the US.

Europe did it the smart way and aired all the FnF episodes within the same week.
 
something about how the dub is recorded sounds so bad to me, like cheap microphones or something, it seems off compared to the dub of the movies
 
Oh my god are they in FnF ?

Jesus..... Welp time for the show to die in the US.

Europe did it the smart way and aired all the FnF episodes within the same week.

21 just aired in the US, they are about to hit the lowest point in the entire franchise and we're about to hit the tournament that has even been hyped up by animators. I feel like there is going to be some huge quality whiplash for people who watch the Dub and the simulcast, episode 24 of the dub airs on the same day as the start of the Tournament of Power.
 
Oh my god are they in FnF ?

Jesus..... Welp time for the show to die in the US.

Europe did it the smart way and aired all the FnF episodes within the same week.

Well, Buu Kai follows right after it, so that may lighten or worsen the blow, depending on the person.

It should be fine though, Dragon Ball is unstoppable in the US.
 
The entire arc has stepped up the production quality so I don't know what you're talking about.

On average we're far above what the show used to be.
I agree that this arc was a step up and I've been satisfied with that, but in my opinion this episode was yet another step up.
 
Oh my god are they in FnF ?

Jesus..... Welp time for the show to die in the US.

Europe did it the smart way and aired all the FnF episodes within the same week.

We're heading into the Majin Vegeta stuff in Kai right after Super ends on Toonami, so we'll be fine.

It also helps that Chris Ayres is kind of salvaging the arc for me so far.
 
Yeah, it's kinda shocking how much better Super looks compared to when it started.

The background art in particular looks so much better than it used to.
 
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