JadedWriter
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17 and Piccolo are already bros. Dat handshake.
17 and Piccolo are already bros. Dat handshake.
17 and Piccolo are already bros. Dat handshake.
I still find it concerning he thinks he'll be fighting GokuAgain, Vegeta's screwing himself with the whole teamwork thing.
I still find it concerning he thinks he'll be fighting Goku
He showed Goku his family so no.
"other than" dude. That's what I'm talking about, you don't get to brush it off.
Jiren is clearly set up as the "main" rival of Goku in this arc, we had never seen him before, and he is a participant of a tournament, so he's not "evil", just a strong opponent. This is exactly like how Hit was presented. That was my point.
But from the moment we saw Hit on screen, he was given several things to work with, his indifferent demeanor regarding Vegeta and Goku's powers, Goku saying that guy was strong, that culminated with the Frost scene, showing us a sneak peak as to why Hit was special.
Jiren has been mentioned 10 episodes ago, there's been a lot of setup in his universe, yet we know nothing besides "he's strong", we've only seen the "red aura" and that's about it. We know he punches hard thanks to the OP. On top of an intentionally bland design, it's really hard to be excited for this character.
So as I said, they did a better job with Hit than they did with Jiren.
That's the thing, Jiren has only been on scene for about ten seconds. Not comparable to Tien or any other main rival of Goku. Unlike with Hit, they're building him up in a different way, especially since we see him fighting Goku as an equal in the intro every week.
That's just Vegeta talking shit. At the end of the day, he'll make sure he'll do his best to win the thing. He'll eventually come around to it like he did in Boo arc and the Future Trunks arc. Though in this situation it might be too late.Again, Vegeta's screwing himself with the whole teamwork thing.
That's just Vegeta talking shit. At the end of the day, he'll make sure he'll do his best to win the thing. He'll eventually come around to it like he did in Boo arc and the Future Trunks arc. Though in this situation it might be too late.
Because he's filling the exact same role Hit had ?
Except they had shown us the encounter with Hit and Frost so that offered a sneak peak into what the character could do. It created anticipation for his battle.
Here we're going in the battle directly with Jiren thrown in, but haven't been shown anything that should make us care.
"Woah he can punch hard, sick" "Woah a red aura, sick".
I would agree except he's barely had any development while characters like Gohan, Krillin and Roshi have had quite a bit.
They can show Jiren facing someone else before getting to Goku during the tournament itself.
Both the opening and the ending make it clear that Vegeta is still the second main character... They were just giving him a break for the recruitment arc.
Man they're stretching this out way too long
When is the tournament scheduled to begin?
These episodes are wearing on me
So basically he's the absolute worst main antagonist this show has gotten, so far. At least in how they handled the anticipation.
Vegeta's is pretty much the only character who has had constant development, it makes sense that they didn't focus on him much while focusing on all these other characters.I would agree except he's barely had any development while characters like Gohan, Krillin and Roshi have had quite a bit.
Okay, I loved this episode! Between the interactions between 17, 18, Krillin, and Piccolo, and the way Goku and Frieza greet each other, this episode's been a huge treat for me. I especially loved the teasing of a rematch between 17 and Piccolo (even if, at this point, 17 would probably win soundly).
Also, are they hinting at Marron actually being something more than a side character in the future? Probably wishful thinking on my part, but even just having the possibility piques my interest quite a bit. I can only wonder what they have planned...
Vegeta's is pretty much the only character who has had constant development, it makes sense that they didn't focus on him much while focusing on all these other characters.
"Earth, I have returned. Tremble in fear as I Jojo pose!!!"![]()
Fixed the GIF.
Such a wonderful transformation scene.
Again, Vegeta's screwing himself with the whole teamwork thing.
Vegeta's is pretty much the only character who has had constant development, it makes sense that they didn't focus on him much while focusing on all these other characters.
You can like it, but it's still very generic and bland. (intentionally so)
On top of that, all we know is that he can "punch hard". That's really hard to get excited when you have Gohan, Roshi, 17 and Frieza back, and female super saiyans on the other hand.
That's my 2 cents anyway. I haven't seen much hype for Jiren besides ArchedThunder you and two other dudes in here.
I feel like Hit was better at whatever Jiren is supposed to convey.
Right.
And to me, this doesn't work. I have 0 interest in this character. I didn't like Hit but I was certainly interested and curious.
I wasn't saying they handled both the same way, that was my point, they didn't even though they fit the same role, for the story. And to me it didn't work as well.
There's nothing compelling about Jiren because, as you said, we haven't seen him enough. Yet he's hammered every week in the intro. It's not like we can ignore the intro, they know what they're doing.
To be fair, Vegeta was literally the second main character for 70 episodes.
They probably felt like he had enough development. Which he did.
Think of Vegeta in Z and how he is now. He didn't need more screentime.
It's too late though. We've known about him for months and there has been complete apathy for him for months. I know some people like him but we can't say he's having a lot of fans compared to Gohan 17 and the new saiyans. Based off what I see on tumblr an other forums.
And it's also a far cry from the hype Hit generated. Or Black.
So basically he's the absolute worst main antagonist this show has gotten, so far. At least in how they handled the anticipation.
"Earth, I have returned. Tremble in fear as I Jojo pose!!!"
The art in this episode was great in the Goku/Freeza scenes. It was nice to see a slight change up and for it to actually look good, on top of that the direction was great as well. What I would give for the whole series to keep this level of quality.
The entire arc has stepped up the production quality so I don't know what you're talking about.
On average we're far above what the show used to be.
What a beautiful episode.
The entire arc has stepped up the production quality so I don't know what you're talking about.
On average we're far above what the show used to be.
Exactly. You only need to go back to the Trunks arc to see how sterile things used to look.
His eyes look real weird in this, and it was the same in a couple of times in this episode.
I feel bad for the dub only guys cause they're now out the biggest lowpoint in the series.
How can it be when best Super character Tagoma's best momentI feel bad for the dub only guys cause they're now out the biggest lowpoint in the series.
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Oh my god are they in FnF ?
Jesus..... Welp time for the show to die in the US.
Europe did it the smart way and aired all the FnF episodes within the same week.
something about how the dub is recorded sounds so bad to me, like cheap microphones or something, it seems off compared to the dub of the movies
Oh my god are they in FnF ?
Jesus..... Welp time for the show to die in the US.
Europe did it the smart way and aired all the FnF episodes within the same week.
I agree that this arc was a step up and I've been satisfied with that, but in my opinion this episode was yet another step up.The entire arc has stepped up the production quality so I don't know what you're talking about.
On average we're far above what the show used to be.
Oh my god are they in FnF ?
Jesus..... Welp time for the show to die in the US.
Europe did it the smart way and aired all the FnF episodes within the same week.