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[mortal]

1) What do you think is being done here?

2) What? Are you suggesting that someone else should make a counter-game about how feminism doesn't result in a future dystopia?

Your first question is a rather broad one, so I'm not sure if I can answer it.

As for your second question, why not?

Obviously, it doesn't have to be that specific, but more games designed by feminists or developers sympathetic to feminist views should be encouraged just as well. Just for the perspective alone. Sometimes what it takes to reach a person or help them understand, is the manner in which the argument is presented.
It's much more engaging for the game designers to have that conversation in the language of their medium, which in turn, opens the discussion beyond the game itself into the community. It opens up the possibilities of what games can be about, how they are designed, and who designs them. It can inspire all types of people, but it has to at least be allowed to happen.

Ideally, it's a platform for expressing and exploring different ideas and beliefs. Gaming is uniquely an interactive experience, which to me makes it the perfect medium for lending perspective or insight into new ideas or different ways of seeing the world and others.

Video games don't exist in a vacuum, right?

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Why r u guys so uptight about what the dev said? Who cares what his belief are, as long as the game is great, that's all it matters

Personally? Cyberpunk genre is by nature social commentaries. I'm interested in that genre not just due to aesthetics, but also due to what they have to say. The creator's beliefs (at least in 2014) were questionable and he explicitly expressed that the narrative of the game was built on that belief.

So it simply appears that the game is actually not great after all, at least about things that appeal and matter to me.

 

[Bahorel]

Talking to his lawyer

Yup. He freaked out when the Microsoft publishing woman replied

 

[Jintor]

Context for non-Americans? Google image shows that he's a politician.

anthony weiner, democrat politician who can't keep his dick in his pants and who has 'reformed for the good' like 3 or 4 times

 

[louis89]

As someone who missed the whole gamergate thing, can someone explain to be exactly what this guy is supposed to have done wrong? I read the tweets that have been going around and all I see is him saying he's against feminism. If I'm not missing anything, and that truly is ground for a backlash of this magnitude nowadays... holy fucking shit.

 

[boredandlazy]

Why r u guys so uptight about what the dev said? Who cares what his belief are, as long as the game is great, that's all it matters

You haven't read any of the thread have you?

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Why r u guys so uptight about what the dev said? Who cares what his belief are, as long as the game is great, that's all it matters

Because people have enough integrity to not support a hate group just for one potentially neat game?

 

[Sianos]

As someone who missed the whole gamergate thing, can someone explain to be exactly what this guy is supposed to have done wrong? I read the tweets that have been going around and all I see is him saying he's against feminism. If I'm not missing anything, and that truly is ground for a backlash of this magnitude nowadays... holy fucking shit.

It's quite a doozy.

 

[Oxymoron]

As someone who missed the whole gamergate thing, can someone explain to be exactly what this guy is supposed to have done wrong? I read the tweets that have been going around and all I see is him saying he's against feminism. If I'm not missing anything, and that truly is ground for a backlash of this magnitude nowadays... holy fucking shit.

Gamergate was a concerted harassment campaign that targeted women in the games industry, both devs and commentators. He tweeted his support for it, and his desire to include one of the icons of gamergate in his game.

 

[kvetcha]

A regressive world view is pretty at ends with cyberpunk's whole thing

I'm not sure this holds water. Can you elaborate?

 

[Alo0oy]

anthony weiner, democrat politician who can't keep his dick in his pants and who has 'reformed for the good' like 3 or 4 times

Sounds like every politician to me.

 

[Alavard]

Why r u guys so uptight about what the dev said? Who cares what his belief are, as long as the game is great, that's all it matters

Because he explicitly said the game is about those beliefs.

 

[Opa-Pa]

Do you actually believe that?

Haha I had no idea his most recent "scene" had been only two months ago, never mind. Just cheap ass damage control.

 

[MrFrankFontaine]

Great. What a hot mess.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Why r u guys so uptight about what the dev said? Who cares what his belief are, as long as the game is great, that's all it matters

I refuse to support anyone who backs gamergate, or oppose feminism in any way.

Disgusted to anyone who does.

 

[Opto]

Sounds like every politician to me.

he most recently sexted an underage girl.

also his name is weiner and he sexted other people picture of his weiner

 

[mortal]

Buying this = supporting this man and his beliefs. Don't give this man money.

I understand your reasoning, still, that is your personal reason and you are free to act on it. Not everyone is going to agree with you.

 

[kvetcha]

also his name is weiner and he sexted other people picture of his weiner

there's poetry to it

 

[mjp2417]

Sounds like every politician to me.

He also liked to sext with 15 year old girls, which is actually, by a remarkable chain of events, the reason one Donald J. Trump is the current President of the United States.

 

[TheFinalCut]

I refuse to support anyone who backs gamergate, or oppose feminism in any way.

Disgusted to anyone who does.

My exact feeling. What a repugnant worldview to hold.

The game looked really sharp, but I will never give a cent as long as this dev is involved.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I understand your reasoning, still, that is your personal reason and you are free to act on it. Not everyone is going to agree with you.

It's a fact, the only variance is whether that matters to you or not. Clearly it doesn't matter to you and several others.

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

Does he still support Gamergate?

He defines GG differently than you do. Not justifying him or saying he's right, just how he sees things.

 

[mortal]

It is a video game that exists/will exist. Yes you are right. I don't understand your point

My point is that this game existing isn't going to decide the fate of feminism.

 

[brianmcdoogle]

It's a fact, the only variance is whether that matters to you or not. Clearly it doesn't matter to you and several others.

They want to avoid any responsibility or criticism for their actions.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

How dare we be subjected to an author whose worldview aligneth not with our own.

I don't get what you're getting at. I am explaining why I feel the game is unappealing. Should I be excited to be subjected to things I dislike? Like, if I said "I don't like the aesthetics", would you answer with "how dare artists have different artstyles that may not align with your taste"?

They can dare all they want.

 

[Opto]

I'm not sure this holds water. Can you elaborate?

It's not just neon cities on a rainy night. Its backbone is anti-capitalism and existentialism of the human condition as soon as technology starts merging with us. Social ills are accentuated by the disparity of life of the haves and have nots. So an oppressed class of today's world is going to be doubly fucked in a cyberpunk world.

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

Looked amazing but can't support it. Very disappointed that MS had it on their stage.

 

[Dr.Acula]

I'm not sure this holds water. Can you elaborate?

Cyberpunk is generally focused around corporate control, with governmental powers eroded and given to the private-sector. That's why cyberpunk fiction focuses on technology (private-sector innovation in overdrive), and crime (deckers, hackers, bladerunners, operating for private interests (Deckard is a bounty hunter in the novel) because the government can no longer manage crime).

How feminism/equality/political correctness/etc. results in a world where technology advances rapidly through those ideals, and why the government's ability to regulate crime also weakens doesn't really make sense.

 

[boredandlazy]

How dare we be subjected to an author whose worldview aligneth not with our own.

Come on.

And what exactly prompted you to post this hmm?

 

[mortal]

It's a fact, the only variance is whether that matters to you or not. Clearly it doesn't matter to you and several others.

I'm trying my best to be as respectful and reasonable as possible, and I don't see why you're trying to assume that much about me.

This is his game to express what he feels. When the time comes, I will criticize the game for what it is and how it is executed much like other games, because this is the platform.

 

[Opto]

Cyberpunk is generally focused around corporate control, with governmental powers eroded and given to the private-sector. That's why cyberpunk fiction focuses on technology (private-sector innovation in overdrive), and crime (deckers, hackers, bladerunners, operating for private interests (Deckard is a bounty hunter in the novel) because the government can no longer manage crime).

How feminism/equality/political correctness/etc. results in a world where technology advances rapidly through those ideals, and why the government's ability to regulate crime also weakens doesn't really make sense.

It was the damn furries ! They supported an industrial revolution of medical and genetic modification to create an omni-corp that took over the world. If only we had listened to Notch!

 

[Sianos]

Unequivocally repudiating Gamergate and explaining how he was wrong in supporting them would be a good first step to demonstrating he is sincere.

Sometimes people really can change... But Tim hasn't come close to showing that yet.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Gotta love what these threads bring out of the woodwork.

If you can't see the issue of Gamergate, a campaign of harassment again equality masquerading as a crusade against unethical journalism built on false accusations...

If you can't see the issue of being against women having equal rights or rights that allow them to have an equal footing with men...

If you can't see the issue with being against the equal rights of non-heterosexual, non-white, non-Christians under the guise of 'Identity Politics'...

If you can't see the issue of a developer who not only has and promotes those views, but has indicated that these are what fuel the core themes of a game...

Then this is not the place for you.

And I highly doubt that individual has changed, given the Bill Nye show being 'biased' for daring to support against his views. Maybe the game has all that stuff scrubbed narratively from it, but some reason I just can't quite figure out, I doubt that as well.

I'd say I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but there is nothing to be happy about in this situation.

 

[RedHill]

How dare we be subjected to an author whose worldview aligneth not with our own.

Come on.

That was a quick ban

 

[A Link to the Past]

The idea of a story about UBI leading to a dystopia is not a bad idea. If done well, it could provide an interesting look at potential downfalls of UBI done poorly. The problem is, I do not think that Tim is someone who I would describe as having the capacity to handle the topic well, because he obviously has certain problematic viewpoints (like complaining about women using artificial uteri lmao) that lead me to believe his perception of UBI would be colored by his political leanings.

 

[mortal]

He can make anything he likes, based on whatever perspective he holds. And everyone maintains the right to tell him to fuck off for his shitty perspective and refuse to give his game the time of day.

That is more or less what I said in my posts (just not as harshly haha). I don't even know why you felt the need to respond to me specially?

 

[Mechazawa]

It's quite a doozy.

I look forward to that guy coming back all the more enlightened.

(lol jk these "buuuh what's the big deal what's gamergate" posts literally never come back that way)

 

[rpmurphy]

I'm trying my best to be as respectful and reasonable as possible, and I don't see why you're trying to assume that much about me.

This is his game to express what he feels. When the time comes, I will criticize the game for what it is and how it is executed much like other games, because this is the platform.

No offense, but the apologetics that's been here in this thread for this guy is embarrassing. Is it somehow offensive that people are calling him out or deciding not to buy the game that otherwise would have been bought?

Like what do you do for the case of Koiichi Sugiyama, the composer for the Dragon Quest games who also defends and funds deniers of Japanese war crimes in WWII and revisionism? I still buy DQ games and soundtracks because they are very good, but I am not going around to defend the guy for the POS that he is, nor would I attempt to convince others offended by his shitshow and not want any of their money to go to him that they are in any way overreacting. Just keep your human weakness to yourself, man.

 

[louis89]

It's quite a doozy.

Gamergate was a concerted harassment campaign that targeted women in the games industry, both devs and commentators. He tweeted his support for it, and his desire to include one of the icons of gamergate in his game.

Harassment and doxing shouldn't be happening but I don't see accusations of this guy himself doing any of that. He defended gamergate but as far as I can see that was in September 2014 when people believed that someone had slept their way to a positive Kotaku review; before all the major harassment etc. In the tweets that are being linked I see him simply being against feminism and SJW influence over the video game industry, and it seems like those opinions aren't allowed. I see people in this thread literally saying they're not going to buy a game made by someone who doesn't support feminism. What in the actual fuck? That, at least to me, is like someone saying they're not going to buy a game because its creator has said they don't support PETA.

 

[Eidan]

Game looks absolutely incredible, and it's a genre that is always near and dear to my heart.

But I'm not up for supporting a GGer. Hard pass.

 

[FUME5]

Harassment and doxing shouldn't be happening but I don't see accusations of this guy himself doing any of that. In the tweets that are being linked I see him simply being against feminism and SJW influence over the video game industry, and it seems like those opinions aren't allowed. I see people in this thread literally saying they're not going to buy a game made by someone who doesn't support feminism. What in the actual fuck? That, at least to me, is like someone saying they're not going to buy a game because its creator has said they don't support PETA.

Equating PETA with feminism?

I mean, maybe you could scrape by equating them to TERFs.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Harassment and doxing shouldn't be happening but I don't see accusations of this guy himself doing any of that. In the tweets that are being linked I see him simply being against feminism and SJW influence over the video game industry, and it seems like those opinions aren't allowed. I see people in this thread literally saying they're not going to buy a game made by someone who doesn't support feminism. What in the actual fuck? That, at least to me, is like someone saying they're not going to buy a game because its creator has said they don't support PETA.

Don't worry bout it then

Game will be on sale soon

 

[Alucrid]

He updated his twitter:

Hopefully he can explain himself somewhere that gives him more words to do so.

i imagine more changed in the three hours between the first and second tweet than in these last few years

 

[Slayven]

Harassment and doxing shouldn't be happening but I don't see accusations of this guy himself doing any of that. In the tweets that are being linked I see him simply being against feminism and SJW influence over the video game industry, and it seems like those opinions aren't allowed. I see people in this thread literally saying they're not going to buy a game made by someone who doesn't support feminism. What in the actual fuck? That, at least to me, is like someone saying they're not going to buy a game because its creator has said they don't support PETA.

PETA is a shit group to support

i imagine more changed in the three hours between the first and second tweet than in these last few years

Life comes at you fast

 

[boredandlazy]

Harassment and doxing shouldn't be happening but I don't see accusations of this guy himself doing any of that. In the tweets that are being linked I see him simply being against feminism and SJW influence over the video game industry, and it seems like those opinions aren't allowed. I see people in this thread literally saying they're not going to buy a game made by someone who doesn't support feminism. What in the actual fuck? That, at least to me, is like someone saying they're not going to buy a game because its creator has said they don't support PETA.

PETA's a nutcase organisation run by nutcases. Feminism is... women?

 

[BRSxIgnition]

i imagine more changed in the three hours between the first and second tweet than in these last few years

QFT.

 

[Northernlights]

Love that they used Lorns music

 

[LudicrousSpeed]

Harassment and doxing shouldn't be happening but I don't see accusations of this guy himself doing any of that. In the tweets that are being linked I see him simply being against feminism and SJW influence over the video game industry, and it seems like those opinions aren't allowed. I see people in this thread literally saying they're not going to buy a game made by someone who doesn't support feminism. What in the actual fuck? That, at least to me, is like someone saying they're not going to buy a game because its creator has said they don't support PETA.

Opposing the equal humanity, dignity, and respect due to women is inherently an offensive as shit position to take.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Looks awesome so its a buy for me. I'm from a time where I played a game for the game.

 

[AtomskEater]

Harassment and doxing shouldn't be happening but I don't see accusations of this guy himself doing any of that. In the tweets that are being linked I see him simply being against feminism and SJW influence over the video game industry, and it seems like those opinions aren't allowed. I see people in this thread literally saying they're not going to buy a game made by someone who doesn't support feminism. What in the actual fuck? That, at least to me, is like someone saying they're not going to buy a game because its creator has said they don't support PETA.

Why do you give a shit what people spend (or don't spend) their own money on? Also, PETA is a terrible organization, ASPCA would have made a better comparison.