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[Charles Brandon]

TBH I don't really care that much if someone who makes games has some dodgy opinions (within reason) so initially I wasn't that bothered but it seems like he has made his political opinions the theme of the game? A kind of "What if...the cucks win" type scenario. Is that really what this is or are people exaggerating? Seems like a crazy thing to do.

 

[Einchy]

Beyond any of his stupid personal politics, this makes the game sound dumb as fuck.

Oh, he's one of those people...

 

[cntr]

TBH I don't really care that much if someone who makes games has some dodgy opinions (within reason) so initially I wasn't that bothered but it seems like he has made his political opinions the theme of the game? A kind of "What if...the cucks win" type scenario. Is that really what this is or are people exaggerating? Seems like a crazy thing to do.

nope, he's explicitly said that this is what the game is about, and we've been given no indication that this has changed

 

[freethought]

nope, he's explicitly said that this is what the game is about, and we've been given no indication that this has changed

Which makes the statement from the publisher and the post in this thread from a producer/writer seem very suspicious.

How could you be a writer on this game and be unaware of it's plot and setting?

 

[borges]

It's not just what the creator believes, it's been made clear that it will be a central part of the work.

and thats perfect. i love to read books from authors i dont share same ideas. i would say i even prefer to read them because its an experience that challebges my current believes. my point is anyway: if i watch a picasso art expo im not a communist, that makes no sense.

 

[Charles Brandon]

nope, he's explicitly said that this is what the game is about, and we've been given no indication that this has changed

Just to be clear, you're saying that the game IS an expression of his politics?
I mean I can the tweet myself but I'm just hoping it's somehow a mistake because the game looks so good.

I guess I'm going to have to wait for reviews but I have to say that this does not look good. I can live with gamergater devs but I'm not buying fucking gamergate propaganda. "This is what happens if you let the women win". That's nuts.

 

[cntr]

Just to be clear, you're saying that the game IS an expression of his politics?
I mean I can the tweet myself but I'm just hoping it's somehow a mistake because the game looks so good.

I guess I'm going to have to wait for reviews but I have to say that this does not look good. I can live with gamergater devs but I'm not buying fucking gamergate propaganda. "This is what happens if you let the women win". That's nuts.

we won't know for certain until the game comes out...but yeah, it's gamergate propaganda.

 

[BADMAN]

Which makes the statement from the publisher and the post in this thread from a producer/writer seem very suspicious.

How could you be a writer on this game and be unaware of it's plot and setting?

It's possible the game's themes and plot have shifted away from the dev's ideology over time as more people got involved in the making of the game. I guess we'll see when it comes out.

 

[azyless]

lol at people not buying it because what creator believes. im libertarian, so then i would have avoid all cortazar and picasso work because their ideology? ill buy the game if it looks great, and thats all.

Great for you. Some people don't want to support assholes, and that's all.

 

[Einchy]

and thats perfect. i love to read books from authors i dont share same ideas. i would say i even prefer to read them because its an experience that challebges my current believes. my point is anyway: if i watch a picasso art expo im not a communist, that makes no sense.

If I wanted to see those views, I'd just go to 4chan, I don't need a video game for that. And I definitely don't want to pay someone to see that shit.

 

[SaniOYOYOY]

Just to be clear, you're saying that the game IS an expression of his politics?
I mean I can the tweet myself but I'm just hoping it's somehow a mistake because the game looks so good.

I guess I'm going to have to wait for reviews but I have to say that this does not look good. I can live with gamergater devs but I'm not buying fucking gamergate propaganda. "This is what happens if you let the women win". That's nuts.

nah its not women, its modern feminist.

that said, I really cant think how they incorporate modern feminism in an AI driven cyberpunk world without having convoluted plot .

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

and thats perfect. i love to read books from authors i dont share same ideas. i would say i even prefer to read them because its an experience that challebges my current believes. my point is anyway: if i watch a picasso art expo im not a communist, that makes no sense.

Good for you. I personally don't want to use my money to support a game where the premise equates outspoken women with authoritarianism.

 

[Makai]

nah its not women, its modern feminist.

that said, I really cant think how they incorporate modern feminism in an AI driven cyberpunk world without having convoluted plot .

Just think TayBot but it trained on Tumblr instead of Twitter.

 

[benicillin]

I mean beyond the fact that the guy doesn't really seem to get cyberpunk beyond the aesthetic, which is all too common, it goes beyond just injecting his own bad politics into the game - he supported the extended harassment campaign against women in the industry that we are still dealing with today. You can't even separate art/artist with that, it's inexcusable that they haven't apologized.

 

[BeeDog]

Too bad it's putrid shit wrapped up in such a gorgeous package.

 

[spineduke]

that said, I really cant think how they incorporate modern feminism in an AI driven cyberpunk world without having convoluted plot .

expect an evil shodan style AI that's hellbent on keeping men in their place. Or something.

 

[FoxSpirit]

Beyond any of his stupid personal politics, this makes the game sound dumb as fuck.

Please no. No. I seriously hope not. You have such a great scenario and then do THAT shit???

 

[immortal-joe]

Holy hell, dude is a minted Ggater. Well then...... fuck.

 

[borges]

Good for you. I personally don't want to use my money to support a game where the premise equates outspoken women with authoritarianism.

Its your right to do whathever you want with your money, and thats perfect. Im advocate for Ayn Rand's ideas, and that didnt prevent me to enjoy a game like BioShock, all the contrary, I enjoyed a lot.
But yeah, if its something it makes you uncomfortable, then makes sense you are skipping it. Nothing wrong there.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Yeah, I'm not touching this game or supporting its creator.

 

[Corpsepyre]

I knew something was wrong when I saw that post count for a game just shown.

Sigh.

 

[immortal-joe]

I knew something was wrong when I saw that post count for a game just shown.

Sigh.

I foolishly thought the art style got people hyped.

 

[Poona]

When I saw it, I thought it was a new Flashback game.

 

[Dyna]

This was definitely one of the highlights of the press conference, looked very cool and unique. The lighting and camera movement in combination with the pixel graphics looked crazy good!

 

[Ushojax]

Which makes the statement from the publisher and the post in this thread from a producer/writer seem very suspicious.

How could you be a writer on this game and be unaware of it's plot and setting?

You can be "unaware" because you are being paid to sell the game.

Upon reading all of this I went from insta-buy to simply morbid curiosity regarding the game's story.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

and thats perfect. i love to read books from authors i dont share same ideas. i would say i even prefer to read them because its an experience that challebges my current believes. my point is anyway: if i watch a picasso art expo im not a communist, that makes no sense.

Picasso didn't paint 40 paintings about communism and hang them up in a row

jesus lol

 

[kiguel182]

Read the Gamergate shit while guised under "I'm the one that actually wants equality" and yeah, I'm not buying this.

Shame, it looked really good but there are better developers for me out there to support.

 

[freethought]

You can be "unaware" because you are being paid to sell the game.

Upon reading all of this I went from instal-buy to simply morbid curiosity regarding the game's story.

Exactly, shameful. He disappeared from the thread pretty quickly after that it seems. I'm with you as far as the curiosity, but I have this overwhelming urge to try and do something. Dunno what though.

 

[Platy]

This thread has been a wild ride wow

Really sad to know that about the whole milkshake duck ... my only hope is that he sucks on writing and everybody interprets his message in a different way, Springtime for Hitler style

Also, treating hate on minorities as "just an opinion" like "communism is better than capitalism" or "money is evil" is ... not something I can take

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Me yesterday: Wow, this game looks amazing, can't wait
Me this morning: Damn, huge GAF thread! Seems like people are into it cool. What's that about milkshake duck tho?
Me 3 minutes later: *removes game from Steam wishlist*

 

[Stead Fast]

Hey, this looks grea- awww. Fuck.

In all honesty, beyond the visual fidelity of this game, it still wasn't likely to be the top of my list. After flicking through the dismantlement of this game's developer and his very political leanings in this thrad, and how they themselves may be in the game proper, yeah this is not getting any more time, let alone money from me. Just because something looks pretty, doesn't mean it isn't steeped in filth.

 

[Muffin1611]

So I woke up to the director making a bad attempt at the "I did totally change since 2014" excuse, only to remember that the Bill Nye show tweet was from two months ago and Oxy posting some of his french tweets from 2014-2016.

Yeah bro, suuuuuuuurely your dumbass "opinions" aren't in the game anymore. Sure.

 

[Makai]

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/06/11/leftist-knives-last-night-game-developer-e3/

Seeping out into the outside world. Feels like this is going to grow into a big thing. Donald Trump to release a statement.

 

[MrHoot]

Fine i'll play devil's advocate

So been reading up on also some other of his old posts, like from 2014
https://www.idlethumbs.net/forums/topic/9728-cyberpunk-cop-killah-aka-the-last-night/#comment-324938

So while I still disagree on his stances there, I don't think he's even half th emonster some people here and on twitter paint him to be. Yes, the synopsis of his game seems ludicrous but also...it's not out yet and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Looking at his feed and stuff, I don't think he's some frothing hateful gamergater but rather some centrist with a bad case of naiveté on some of the issues. I say this because I wasn't exactly far of being exactly him back then, until I actually started talking with people here and with others.

If the game's bad, i'll criticize it for its writing, especially since the themes seem at odds with a cyberpunk genre. But I dunno...I will get some flak for this and will carry that L, but i do think the dogpile is a biiiiit much. Although criticism of his past stances are absolutely valid.

 

[Beefy]

Them tweets.... Them Notch tweets....

Fine i'll play devil's advocate

So been reading up on also some other of his old posts, like from 2014
https://www.idlethumbs.net/forums/topic/9728-cyberpunk-cop-killah-aka-the-last-night/#comment-324938

So while I still disagree on his stances there, I don't think he's even half th emonster some people here and on twitter paint him to be. Yes, the synopsis of his game seems ludicrous but also...it's not out yet and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Looking at his feed and stuff, I don't think he's some frothing hateful gamergater but rather some centrist with a bad case of naiveté on some of the issues. I say this because I wasn't exactly far of being exactly him back then, until I actually started talking with people here and with others.

If the game's bad, i'll criticize it for its writing, especially since the themes seem at odds with a cyberpunk genre. But I dunno...I will get some flak for this and will carry that L, but i do think the dogpile is a biiiiit much. Although criticism of his past stances are absolutely valid.

Nah, he looks like a shitty person to me

 

[GurgleBot20]

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/06/11/leftist-knives-last-night-game-developer-e3/

Seeping out into the outside world. Feels like this is going to grow into a big thing. Donald Trump to release a statement.

Please don't link to Breitbart.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

im libertarian

You should have began your post with this so we knew out the gates your opinion on this matter would be irrelevant and ultimately worth less than a sprinkle of cat piss.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

You should play Horizon. More apocalyptic than dystopian, but still based around matriarchal tribes.

Yeah I was thinking of that when I typed my post, but it's a different setting

 

[andymcc]

Its your right to do whathever you want with your money, and thats perfect. Im advocate for Ayn Rand's ideas, and that didnt prevent me to enjoy a game like BioShock, all the contrary, I enjoyed a lot.
But yeah, if its something it makes you uncomfortable, then makes sense you are skipping it. Nothing wrong there.

I mean, that is all that really needs to be said wrt you.

 

[Alucrid]

Fine i'll play devil's advocate

So been reading up on also some other of his old posts, like from 2014
https://www.idlethumbs.net/forums/topic/9728-cyberpunk-cop-killah-aka-the-last-night/#comment-324938

So while I still disagree on his stances there, I don't think he's even half th emonster some people here and on twitter paint him to be. Yes, the synopsis of his game seems ludicrous but also...it's not out yet and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Looking at his feed and stuff, I don't think he's some frothing hateful gamergater but rather some centrist with a bad case of naiveté on some of the issues. I say this because I wasn't exactly far of being exactly him back then, until I actually started talking with people here and with others.

If the game's bad, i'll criticize it for its writing, especially since the themes seem at odds with a cyberpunk genre. But I dunno...I will get some flak for this and will carry that L, but i do think the dogpile is a biiiiit much. Although criticism of his past stances are absolutely valid.

you say you're playing devil's advocate, but the rest of your post seems genuine. which is it?

 

[Muffin1611]

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/06/11/leftist-knives-last-night-game-developer-e3/

Seeping out into the outside world. Feels like this is going to grow into a big thing. Donald Trump to release a statement.

When Breitbart is defending you, you know you done fucked up.

Fine i'll play devil's advocate

So been reading up on also some other of his old posts, like from 2014
https://www.idlethumbs.net/forums/topic/9728-cyberpunk-cop-killah-aka-the-last-night/#comment-324938

So while I still disagree on his stances there, I don't think he's even half th emonster some people here and on twitter paint him to be. Yes, the synopsis of his game seems ludicrous but also...it's not out yet and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Looking at his feed and stuff, I don't think he's some frothing hateful gamergater but rather some centrist with a bad case of naiveté on some of the issues. I say this because I wasn't exactly far of being exactly him back then, until I actually started talking with people here and with others.

If the game's bad, i'll criticize it for its writing, especially since the themes seem at odds with a cyberpunk genre. But I dunno...I will get some flak for this and will carry that L, but i do think the dogpile is a biiiiit much. Although criticism of his past stances are absolutely valid.

That's the thing though: If he said those things in 2014 and properly explained to us how he changed and denounced Gamergate, a hate movement, some probably would be able to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Instead he defends himself in flimsy three tweets, his publisher say "Yeah, he totally changed since 2014", while his writer, who was in this thread, likes tweets like "I'm loving all this salt from these SJWS!!!" while all this is happening.
Furthermore his tweets show no change of behaviour whatsoever, in fact, they reinforce that he DIDN'T change. He has several similarly bad tweets in french from 2015/16, and "criticized" the Bill Nye show for it's presentation of gender as a spectrum as recently as two months ago, saying it's biased and pure "identity politics". We all know what he means and where he got that talking point from.

 

[FoxSpirit]

and thats perfect. i love to read books from authors i dont share same ideas. i would say i even prefer to read them because its an experience that challebges my current believes. my point is anyway: if i watch a picasso art expo im not a communist, that makes no sense.

And that's fine and dandy. But both GamerGaters and extreme femimists don't return that commitment to learn from the other side.
A political story by either will most likely have tone that is completely off center and nuanced characters are impossible through such a filter.

If you want to learn about the topics GamerGate tackles, just read. Both sides are extremely vocal online. No need to give money to a cause you have no stake in.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Fine i'll play devil's advocate

Uh, why? You don't need to play devil's advocate when there's already people saying what you did. That's just called lending them your support.

 

[Eidan]

Doesn't mean it can't be interesting.

I don't really want to 'support' these people but it would be kinda interesting to experience things from the POV of someone you fundamentally disagree with. Uncomfortable and frustrating, sure, but at least that's evoking something from you.

Is there a comparable to this - like a film directed by a massive racist/homophobe where those themes are central to the film, perhaps?

Sure. Birth of a Nation. Trust me, going into the head of a bigot isn't all that interesting of an experience.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Please don't link to Breitbart.

I'm always surprised that Breitbart isn't banned on gaf. Seems like the most obvious thing.

 

[True Fire]

Im advocate for Ayn Rand's ideas,

Did you even read Ayn Rand? People namedrop her to make themselves sound profound, but her ideals punish the types of people who promote them.

 

[VegiHam]

And that's fine and dandy. But both GamerGaters and extreme femimists don't return that commitment to learn from the other side.
A political story by either will most likely have tone that is completely off center and nuanced characters are impossible through such a filter.

If you want to learn about the topics GamerGate tackles, just read. Both sides are extremely vocal online. No need to give money to a cause you have no stake in.

Yeah man the truth is somewhere between "women should have equal rights" and "women are bad let's harass them"

Like, maybe women are just kinda bad and we should only oppress them a little! Moderation!

 

[spineduke]

Fine i'll play devil's advocate

If the game's bad, i'll criticize it for its writing, especially since the themes seem at odds with a cyberpunk genre.
Although criticism of his past stances are absolutely valid.

This will be the killing point - despite all the controversy, the world building will be seemingly at odds with itself. A dystopian society that watches and monitors itself - but is not controlled by governments or corporations? Gamification being used in day to day interactions, but by whom? A world where women are able to reproduce with artificial uterus's, and have men regressed in their roles? A world where we are all seemingly supplied by basic income (and hence no longer motivated to create) and this will lead to a world devoid of creativity? Whos going to take this seriously?

 

[travisbickle]

and thats perfect. i love to read books from authors i dont share same ideas. i would say i even prefer to read them because its an experience that challebges my current believes. my point is anyway: if i watch a picasso art expo im not a communist, that makes no sense.

Why would you pick Picasso? His paintings were about man's inhumanity to man, and they took their form (like rejecting traditional forms of perspective) as a way of rejecting the current day attitudes.

This is a video game about hating the current trend for equality and minority rights, and it takes the form of a video game because loads of gamers hate that too.

 

[Stead Fast]

I'm always surprised that Breitbart isn't banned on gaf. Seems like the most obvious thing.

Indeed. I mean, removing all political bias for a moment, I thought a news site repeatedly outed for perpetrating false information, particularly information aimed to cause outrage, had no place of GAF.