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Wait, how are they "anti-feminism" if all lives matter? What?
It's coded language.

Basically, the logic is that "feminists only care about women" and "civil rights activists only care about black people", so they cover their anti-feminist and/or racist beliefs under the idea that they "care about everybody's equality" and "care about all lives", when, well, they don't.
 
Can't help it. I don't pay much attention to this kind of stuff =/

Good. If you do, your brain will melt. But the short version is that these people are great at manipulating language to appear like they're for what they're actually against. Essentially, it's argumentative dishonesty. The problem is that these people often don't understand why it's dishonest, because they just go by what their insulated community has told them. And it's even worse when they do. The problem comes when you can't tell from the people who honestly believe what they're spouting and the people who are using it as a bludgeoning tool. They thrive around people who don't understand what they're doing, which is why the arguments are so pervasive. They look for people with reactions like yours and try to define the word and their viewpoints in a way that make them appear legitimate when you don't think about them too much. (And I don't mean this as a dig against you, that's just how they operate.)
 
I could give the benefit of the doubt that he changed in the last three years but I don't see proof of that. Also, that transphobic tweet about Bill Naher was recent so if anything I've seen proof he hasn't changed.

Not interested in supporting it.

Also, Notch continues being an idiot. Kinda happy Minecraft is now with Microsoft altought kinda feel bad I gave the dude money.
 
Saw the amount of pages and thought "I know the game looked good but..." *opens thread*. Fucking yikes. Can't believe someone is actually funding this shit.
 
Can't help it. I don't pay much attention to this kind of stuff =/

Egalitarian principles would be good but people like him use it to argue against giving disadvantaged classes extra attention because it wouldn't be fair to white people.

Wait, surely this isn't the story? Has this been confirmd? The tweet is quite old.

The writer was in the thread when this blew up and instead of talking about story changes or belief changes he ghosted and made a tweet about ignoring the haters. I doubt the story has changed at all from that original concept.
 
The way all lives matter and this anti feminism thing wrap words around to make it seem like they are the good guys is some of the most bullshir argumentation you can find these days. The kind of retohric that you can see how it can easily convince people it's the right thing to have by taking all the context form the actual issues while being racist and sexist under the disguise of equality.

It's infuriating.
 
I am so disappointed by the creators view points. The quote ""My game takes place in a future where 'progressivism' has spiraled out of control" is insanity.

Eh, we don't know how it's presented in the gameworld yet, could be one of those alternate universe takes on Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman where they are evil to make an interesting story.
 
The writer was in the thread when this blew up and instead of talking about story changes or belief changes he ghosted and made a tweet about ignoring the haters. I doubt the story has changed at all from that original concept.

Any sane person working on the game would have noped out of this thread a long time ago. Can't really fault the writer for that, tbh.
 
Graham Linehan calling Notch out on Twitter is one of my highlights of 2017

Graham's juggling the mocking of this game, and the current Tory government this afternoon it seems. It does make me a little happy to know a comic-writer hero of mine spends his time doing the exact same thing me today.
 
Wait, how are they "anti-feminism" if all lives matter? What?
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it's pretty transparently "i don't mind because i agree with him", tbh

Not necessarily. Reading Mein Kampf doesn't mean you're an anti-Semite. Watching The Birth of a Nation doesn't make you a white supremacist. You can engage with an idea without believing it.

Do I think the writer has the chops to pull off this "feminist dystopia"? Probably not. Do I at least think it's an interesting subversion of cyberpunk tropes worth having a closer look into? Certainly. Will I allow whatever ideological views are presented in the game to alter my own? Highly unlikely.

Reading all the "Looks great but I won't play it because of the author's Tweets" posts I feel like there's some kind of fear that this game is some kind of contagion, like it's somehow going to degrade your beliefs if you're exposed to it. That's not true. It is entirely possible to consume and even enjoy someone's work of art while being fully aware of its problematic ideology and presentation of themes/characters/storylines. MGSV was my GotY, yet is shamelessly backward in its portrayal of women. Hero by Zhang Yimou is a cinematic masterpiece, but can also be interpreted as Chinese unification propaganda. And I enjoy the Call of Duty games despite their absurd jingoism and extremely problematic portrayal of foreign cultures.

I'll keep my eye out for this game, and if the gameplay looks as interesting as the visuals, I'll probably buy it and play it. And if the story is anything like those three-year-old tweets, I'll experience Tim Soret's "Gamergate nightmare scenario" knowing that I won't become a worse person for doing so.
 
Any sane person working on the game would have noped out of this thread a long time ago. Can't really fault the writer for that, tbh.

Uhhh, no, any sane person working on the game would have distanced themselves and the game from the 2014 tweets and done damage control early.

Instead they ran off and retweeted posts about all the "salt" the tweets created, which basically nails the gamergate coffin shut.
 
The dude tweeted that he changed since the gamergate tweets

https://twitter.com/timsoret/status/874112392967274496

I will give him the benefit of the doubt .... but I will need more than 3 tweets to be sure that he REALLY changed

I'm trying to parse that last tweet. What the hell does that even mean? I can't accept that he's changed if he doesn't define those things, because there's a lot of wiggle room in those terms, to the point where they're almost meaningless without the required context. I'd like to believe him, but first I need to understand him. And believe me, I'm NOT going to buy his game before I do.
 
Not necessarily. Reading Mein Kampf doesn't mean you're an anti-Semite. Watching The Birth of a Nation doesn't make you a white supremacist. You can engage with an idea without believing it.

Do I think the writer has the chops to pull off this "feminist dystopia"? Probably not. Do I at least think it's an interesting subversion of cyberpunk tropes worth having a closer look into? Certainly. Will I allow whatever ideological views are presented in the game to alter my own? Highly unlikely.

Reading all the "Looks great but I won't play it because of the author's Tweets" posts I feel like there's some kind of fear that this game is some kind of contagion, like it's somehow going to degrade your beliefs if you're exposed to it. That's not true. It is entirely possible to consume and even enjoy someone's work of art while being fully aware of its problematic ideology and presentation of themes/characters/storylines. MGSV was my GotY, yet is shamelessly backward in its portrayal of women. Hero by Zhang Yimou is a cinematic masterpiece, but can also be interpreted as Chinese unification propaganda. And I enjoy the Call of Duty games despite their absurd jingoism.

I'll keep my eye out for this game, and if the gameplay looks as interesting as the visuals, I'll probably buy it and play it. And if the story is anything like those three-year-old tweets, I'll experience Tim Soret's "Gamergate nightmare scenario" with a clear conscience that I won't be a worse person for doing so.

or maybe i just don't want to sit through hours of a gamergate infested story? it's great that you can tolerate it, i'd rather be doing something else with my time.
 
Not necessarily.
In a pure abstract world, yes, not necessarily.

But from real world experience and from experience within this very thread, if someone goes "I don't mind the views of the creator", you can reliably assume that it's a coded euphemism for "I agree with the views of the creator".
 
Reading all the "Looks great but I won't play it because of the author's Tweets" posts I feel like there's some kind of fear that this game is some kind of contagion, like it's somehow going to degrade your beliefs if you're exposed to it.
No, it's about not wanting to reward the developer for it.
The dude tweeted that he changed since the gamergate tweets

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https://twitter.com/timsoret/status/874112392967274496

I will give him the benefit of the doubt .... but I will need more than 3 tweets to be sure that he REALLY changed
There are comments from like two months ago in response to the Bill Nye Saves the World episode on gender and sexuality.
 
Not necessarily. Reading Mein Kampf doesn't mean you're an anti-Semite. Watching The Birth of a Nation doesn't make you a white supremacist. You can engage with an idea without believing it.

Do I think the writer has the chops to pull off this "feminist dystopia"? Probably not. Do I at least think it's an interesting subversion of cyberpunk tropes worth having a closer look into? Certainly. Will I allow whatever ideological views are presented in the game to alter my own? Highly unlikely.

Reading all the "Looks great but I won't play it because of the author's Tweets" posts I feel like there's some kind of fear that this game is some kind of contagion, like it's somehow going to degrade your beliefs if you're exposed to it. That's not true. It is entirely possible to consume and even enjoy someone's work of art while being fully aware of its problematic ideology and presentation of themes/characters/storylines. MGSV was my GotY, yet is shamelessly backward in its portrayal of women. Hero by Zhang Yimou is a cinematic masterpiece, but can also be interpreted as Chinese unification propaganda. And I enjoy the Call of Duty games despite their absurd jingoism.

I'll keep my eye out for this game, and if the gameplay looks as interesting as the visuals, I'll probably buy it and play it. And if the story is anything like those three-year-old tweets, I'll experience Tim Soret's "Gamergate nightmare scenario" knowing that I won't become a worse person for doing so.
There's a difference between avoiding media that conflicts with your belief system and avoiding it because you don't want to give money to causes you font support. Voting with your wallet works both ways.

Also your example with MGSV is absolutely moot because the premise of that game isn't fundamentally built from misogyny and persecution complexes the way this game is.
 
The dude tweeted that he changed since the gamergate tweets

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https://twitter.com/timsoret/status/874112392967274496

I will give him the benefit of the doubt .... but I will need more than 3 tweets to be sure that he REALLY changed

Dude, he didn't only make these kind of tweets in 2014. Look through the thread, he wrote similar shit in 2015/16 and April of this year.

If he changed, he did so in the span of the last two months.
 
In a pure abstract world, yes, not necessarily.

But from real world experience and from experience within this very thread, if someone goes "I don't mind the views of the creator", you can reliably assume that it's a coded euphemism for "I agree with the views of the creator".

i have to imagine the "get yer politics out of my video games" crowd is going to be pretty silent on this one too
 
i have to imagine the "get yer politics out of my video games" crowd is going to be pretty silent on this one too

They're not gonna be silent, they're going to be cheering. Because the operative word there is "your". (Though most people actually on that side purposefully omit it.)
 
The dude tweeted that he changed since the gamergate tweets

I will give him the benefit of the doubt .... but I will need more than 3 tweets to be sure that he REALLY changed

I would tweet the same vague bullshit if I realized that people might actually remembered what I said back then.
 
Whatever the controversy is, it's drowned in this announcement thread so it's hard to find out what got people riled up! New thread?
 
The dude tweeted that he changed since the gamergate tweets

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https://twitter.com/timsoret/status/874112392967274496

I will give him the benefit of the doubt .... but I will need more than 3 tweets to be sure that he REALLY changed

I mean, it's all fine a well to say "a lot has changed" meanwhile Notch and GG are stirring shit and harassing people based on their initial reactions to his previous association.

Would not it be proof of change if he actually came out and told these chodes to stop attacking women in defense of his old, dumb ideas? I mean, I suppose it's possible he doesn't know... but then he mentions the "controversy" specifically.

To make a long rant short, after pulling GG shit, it's gunna take more than "oh I'm good guy now" for me to even consider giving you the time of day.
 
They're not gonna be silent, they're going to be cheering. Because the operative word there is "your". (Though most people actually on that side purposefully omit it.)

hah, fair point

I mean, it's all fine a well to say "a lot has changed" meanwhile Notch and GG are stirring shit and harassing people based on their initial reactions to his previous association.

Would not it be proof of change if he actually came out and told these chodes to stop attacking women in defense of his old, dumb ideas? I mean, I suppose it's possible he doesn't know... but then he mentions the "controversy" specifically.

To make a long rant short, after pulling GG shit, it's gunna take more than "oh I'm good guy now" for me to even consider giving you the time of day.

look he said he stands for equality and inclusiveness, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT
 
I'm sorry I don't feel like going through 40 pages, can someone update me on what's going on?

From what I understand the dev is a scumbag?
 
Wait, how are they "anti-feminism" if all lives matter? What?

"All Lives Matter" was a reactionary movement against "Black Lives Matter". It sounds nice to unread neutral parties, but in practice they just tried to downplay and discount all the African American issues that BLM wants addressed. Most racists I know are strong "all lives matter" supporters.

Saying your egalitarian is what a quite a lot of Anti-feminists state as well. The issue is that most feminists are egalitarian and want equality for everyone. The people describing themselves as egalitarian often think we have reached peak equality and feminists need to shut up and/or misunderstand feminism.

Basically, egalitarian is to feminism in quite a similar way that All lives Matter is to Black Lives Matter
 
Your knee must be shattered form all the jerking its doing

Or some people find his repellent worldview that the game is forged in so bad that they're genuinely surprised it was showcased by a multi billion dollar corporation.

I wonder if this ends up getting them more sales or less sales.

Let's hope for some consistency (who am I kidding) and make sure the game gets labeled as a walking simulator on steam.
 
I mean, it's all fine a well to say "a lot has changed" meanwhile Notch and GG are stirring shit and harassing people based on their initial reactions to his previous association.

Would not it be proof of change if he actually came out and told these chodes to stop attacking women in defense of his old, dumb ideas? I mean, I suppose it's possible he doesn't know... but then he mentions the "controversy" specifically.

To make a long rant short, after pulling GG shit, it's gunna take more than "oh I'm good guy now" for me to even consider giving you the time of day.

A useful litmus test here is probably "Has he apologised to Zoe?", tbh. And he hasn't.
 
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