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Spencer: We Have Just Signed Exclusives That Wont Be Ready for 2-3 Years, No Point i
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Honestly their first party output has been below average. Some people might defend them but Quantum Break, Ryse, Recore, Dead Rising, Crimson Dragon etc have all been subpar games. You also have your Gears, Halo, Forza but the declining popularity should be an indication that people want quality fresh titles. Microsoft just lacks the quality now.
DangerMouse
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This.
Sounds like damage control.
Recently MS/Phil took a lot of shit do to lack of any 1st party IPs. This is like him saying "look we got games, TRUST ME. Everything will be ok"*puts on sun glasses*
And everyone is supposed to be like "I believe in Phil not because of the past few years work to show but because he just told us so". Its like play pretend everything will be ok!
MS has been catching up but they have been slacking with real true exclusives/1st party games. This is something they need to keep getting the heat on not just letting it go because you blindly believe good guy phil.
At their position, MS should be teasing things to come now as they are on the spot light about this issue for a while now. We know Sony has PSX and are know to drop bombs out of E3. (TLoU2 while not a new IP was a huge new game for PS4 reveal) So its likely they have things in the pipeline. MS on the other hand, we have to believe these words and say "ok"?
Recently MS/Phil took a lot of shit do to lack of any 1st party IPs. This is like him saying "look we got games, TRUST ME. Everything will be ok"*puts on sun glasses*
And everyone is supposed to be like "I believe in Phil not because of the past few years work to show but because he just told us so". Its like play pretend everything will be ok!
MS has been catching up but they have been slacking with real true exclusives/1st party games. This is something they need to keep getting the heat on not just letting it go because you blindly believe good guy phil.
At their position, MS should be teasing things to come now as they are on the spot light about this issue for a while now. We know Sony has PSX and are know to drop bombs out of E3. (TLoU2 while not a new IP was a huge new game for PS4 reveal) So its likely they have things in the pipeline. MS on the other hand, we have to believe these words and say "ok"?
I believe him fully.
He's delivered on the platform through UI, backwards compat, Game Pass and LIVE.
His team have delivered on the hardware front through 2 superbly engineered consoles for both value and power.
They can do it for first party if they focus the same kind of energy and effort.
He's delivered on the platform through UI, backwards compat, Game Pass and LIVE.
His team have delivered on the hardware front through 2 superbly engineered consoles for both value and power.
They can do it for first party if they focus the same kind of energy and effort.
Yeah im like the best racer this gen, a fantastic platformer, top rate multiplayer shooter then whatever you want to classify SoT & SoD as.
It's amazing how anything bad about his management over the years get automatically deflected to Balmer and Mattrick while anything Spencer does is his doing and his alone and not Nadella's
So you believe XBox has no games planned in the future and that the platform will die after a year or so?
Rumblebones
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This cannot be overstated.
MetalliCabombination
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Everyone is so full of shit this e3.
xabbott
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First party situation for MS had been rough since late 360. They needed to collapse some studios imo. I think independent studios working on MS published games seems like a better option. Then look into buying those studios that work out well.
graywolf323
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and Spencer was the head of Microsofts first party studios from 2008 until he took over the whole Xbox division in ~2014
Grim Patron
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Are these real exclusives or Contract Signature Launch Exclusives
Salty Hippo
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All I have to say to that quote is LMAO.
No, he wouldn't. It flopped monumentally and his job was to make money. Killing Kinect was not a hero action from Phil Spencer, literally any other head would have done the same. If that thing was successful and Spencer was in charge he would have double downed on it. Just like they all did after 360 Kinect.
No, he wouldn't. It flopped monumentally and his job was to make money. Killing Kinect was not a hero action from Phil Spencer, literally any other head would have done the same. If that thing was successful and Spencer was in charge he would have double downed on it. Just like they all did after 360 Kinect.
InsaneTiger
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He doesn't want you bad fans hyping the games up.
Uno Venova
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It's weird how people try so hard to absolve him if any responsibility regarding anything negative about Microsofts situation.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Do people really think they have no first party games in the pipeline for 2018 or 2019? You can be sure MS has stuff to be announced and Phil hasn't disappointed so far IMO this gen so I have no reason not to believe him.
I've owned an Xbone all of this gen (first gen I go all in on only one console manufacturer although I've always had a preference for MS since the OG Xbox) and never was I disappointed by the first party output. There are plenty of games to go by and play, especially with all the great third party stuff coming out and their first party output has been plenty enough to complement the system.
Tons of games I have bought and never even had time to play. And upcoming stuff like Sea of Thieves and Crackdown 3 looks amazing! Maybe if I was still 15 years old with all the time in the world I'd want more games although I still highly doubt it, but at 32 years old with 2 kids and barely any time to play, I don't see why I'd need Microsoft to release more first party titles when their current slate is of very high quality and most of their games have incredible replay value, especially with their focus on multiplayer.
Sometimes I feel like people want more first party games just so they can go online and do list wars, when in reality I don't see why anyone would buy a console for its first party output only, especially when what most people buy and play these days are third party games.
I've owned an Xbone all of this gen (first gen I go all in on only one console manufacturer although I've always had a preference for MS since the OG Xbox) and never was I disappointed by the first party output. There are plenty of games to go by and play, especially with all the great third party stuff coming out and their first party output has been plenty enough to complement the system.
Tons of games I have bought and never even had time to play. And upcoming stuff like Sea of Thieves and Crackdown 3 looks amazing! Maybe if I was still 15 years old with all the time in the world I'd want more games although I still highly doubt it, but at 32 years old with 2 kids and barely any time to play, I don't see why I'd need Microsoft to release more first party titles when their current slate is of very high quality and most of their games have incredible replay value, especially with their focus on multiplayer.
Sometimes I feel like people want more first party games just so they can go online and do list wars, when in reality I don't see why anyone would buy a console for its first party output only, especially when what most people buy and play these days are third party games.
wapplew
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2017 was pretty good year until SoT and SoD2 move to 2018.
I mean, what do you want him to say, exactly? Xbox: Nah were just giving up?
Christocolus
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Exactly. He has done a great job so far with hardware and services. Xbox one S and the 1X are incredible machines also just look at all the new services and features. Refunds, game pass, play anywhere, LFG, OGXbx&Xbx360 BC, cross play,copilot etc I definitely believe we will see same improvements made to their 1st party input. It was a very interesting interview.
phantasmic_glaive
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They don't catch heat for not having first party games, it's the familiar 3 they catch flak over. MS also gets flak (especially this year) for not having, really, jack shit this first half of the year. Then later this year you got, Forza 7. Crackdown and sea of thieves, right? They could've spread them shits out.
Honesty is the best policy?
Night Angel
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It's not that we don't want him to talk about getting new games, it's that we want him to be taking the truth when he says it.
Liliana Eileen
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Imagine if they took all that effort they gave that and put it towards 1st party. And with their bankroll...oh man, just thinking about it is crazy. I can't wait to see what Xbox looks like in a few years. What a turnaround from launch
What if they are not ready for earlier release? Have you considered that?
LukasTaves
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Press Play and Twisted pixel went more than 3 years without any single game.
They were supposed to deliver smaller and more frequent games, in that timeframe they could have churned out 2 games each and they didn't. Heck Twisted Pixel is still around and even a year after being let go they didn't show anything.
Lionhead was stuck into a black hole of a project that sucked all their time and money and was still no where near ready to launch, and was again a game that was supposed to launch eons ago before being cancelled.
Phil wasn't in charge when those studios were purchased, nor when they decided the games they would do and ultimately failed to deliver. How it's his fault that they turned out like this?
Yes, he pulled the plug but the studios were sucking money and not delivering anything.
Sunset Samurai
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What? Lol
With How successful the previous kinect was (24mill last I recalled years back)
Don was determined to keep it going. Don statements and the always on fiasco is what caused the x1 to struggle in its first years. You trying to tell me if Don didn't say that "we have a product for that" and always on crap and still had his job. He would've dropped it? Please take a seat and reevaluate your thoughts
Shil Pencer
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I can't believe there are people here who think they have nothing in the works
Liliana Eileen
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I'd imagine next E3 will be all about games since Scorpio was all in this year's E3.
People want new franchises or revived favorites
People do not want Halo 6, Gears 5 or Forza 8. Ok maybe some people want those but outside of those hardcore few, millions other want a reason to own Xbox in the first place, which makes me think that all that money spent on X should have been spent on games
LukasTaves
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Many of which were games for Hololens, which would be Mattrick's Kinect for this gen.
They were just reallocated/closed since they decided not to focus on gaming for now with Hololens.
First of all, you are understanding the number of internal development teams at MS that have been shut down in the last few years.
Secondly, Spencer was literally in charge of all MS studios before he took over the whole division. All purchases of studios and all projects they worked on went through him, and their failures are his as well.
Banderdash
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I like Phil, and i think he's been good for the xbox brand.
I would argue that you could also demonstrate investment by establishing and buying first party studios.
Build and announce some teams, bloody well buy Crytek, pick up IO Interactive.
I would argue that you could also demonstrate investment by establishing and buying first party studios.
Build and announce some teams, bloody well buy Crytek, pick up IO Interactive.
CassidyIzABeast
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You can't spread out games that aren't done.
graywolf323
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Twisted Pixel was acquired in 2011, 3 years after Phil Spencer took over Microsoft Game Studios
Press Play was acquired in 2012, 4 years after Spencer took charge
Do people really believe the head of Microsoft Game Studios had ZERO say as to what companies they bought to be absorbed into first party?
Question, what do you think he did in the Xbox Division before he became the head of it?
It obviously was Mattrick's or Balmer's fault
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Hawk269
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I agree 100%. Yeah, we have heard about the 1st party games, but it is not like they don't make any. I think they have been making some incredible changes since the launch fiasco of the Xbox One and coming back from that cluster fuck is not something that can happen overnight. I do laugh at those that keep saying "the higher ups at MS have no faith" or "they are not giving them money for games"...I mean they just fucking last year released the One S and the green lighted the Scorpio. A company that does not believe in a product or hamstrings a division would of not green lighted both the "S" and Scorpio. I mean, can you imagine Phil going to the executive board and saying "We want to make a smaller, better version of the Xbox One and I also want to make a power house system for the following year". If MS higher ups were not supporting them, Phil would of been thrown off the roof of the building by asking for something like that.
What people don't get, not all, but some, just because Xbox One is not the #1 does not mean it is a failure. In this industry not everyone can be #1, that does not mean anything else is a failure. MS is doing fine with the Xbox One and they did even better when the Xbox One S came out. The Xbox One X is not designed to be the system that brings balance to the sales of all consoles.
Anyways, I still believe in Phil and what backs that belief is what he has done with the platform as a whole since he took over. Yes, I would love more triple AAA games, but for me there are a lot of games like Quantum Break, Re Core and Sunset Overdrive that did not light the world on fire on sales, but were fantastic games.
BananasWithGuns
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After the Scalebound situation I don't really blame Phil for wanting to do things this way now.
They haven't shown a single game that isn't releasing in either 2017 or the first half of 2018 and I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they handle announcing/showing games for the foreseeable future.
They haven't shown a single game that isn't releasing in either 2017 or the first half of 2018 and I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they handle announcing/showing games for the foreseeable future.
Wow, such bullshit numbers there.
GHG
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Every other company can say the same thing, but the big difference is that they also have lots of interesting new stuff coming out now and have also had lots of interesting new stuff spread out across the generation so far.
It's a bit hollow when your messaging is "please wait another 2-3 years" when we are over halfway through a generation and this is their 3rd generation in the business. In their first generation they introduced Halo, PGR and Forza, the generation after it was Gears, but what groundbreaking new hit have they introduced this generation that had really shaken things up a bit?
Microsoft are not some new kid on the block. The same goes for the bullshit excuses that were being dished out regarding the windows store.
It's a bit hollow when your messaging is "please wait another 2-3 years" when we are over halfway through a generation and this is their 3rd generation in the business. In their first generation they introduced Halo, PGR and Forza, the generation after it was Gears, but what groundbreaking new hit have they introduced this generation that had really shaken things up a bit?
Microsoft are not some new kid on the block. The same goes for the bullshit excuses that were being dished out regarding the windows store.
How so considering their decline in sales. Game fatigue is quite real with MS 1st party
CassidyIzABeast
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When Kinect has fallen off a cliff and independent publishing is on fire...Keeping Twisted Pixel and Press Play on as first party doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It probably cost them less money to send those 10 indie devs some dev kits for a year of console exclusivity than it cost to fund both of those studios.
Microsoft aint really about that traditional, 20 internal teams first party life anymore.
Sanctuary
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When you have so many people constantly asking "So where are all the exclusives?" and the best you can give is "Trust us", that does almost nothing to rebuild any confidence. I've never been one to get into the trite console wars, because I don't care. If a system has games I really want to play, I get it. This gen however, Microsoft hasn't really been doing much right in my eyes as far as gaming is concerned, and Sony has been on top by a pretty wide margin. But even then, I only own three games for the Pro and the PS4 has been out for over three and a half years now. One Microsoft exclusive every three or four years (Ori, and even then it's not mindblowing) isn't going to cut it.
You could make the argument that Sony showing all of these games that won't be ready for 2-3 years isn't a good idea for many reasons, but at least it gets me interested in the games that will be potentially arriving soon, not simply the promise of a maybe. For those with a capable gaming PC, there's still just about zero incentive to care about any of the Microsoft consoles anymore. Aside from of course when they sabotage the PC version to make the console versions more appealing.
You could make the argument that Sony showing all of these games that won't be ready for 2-3 years isn't a good idea for many reasons, but at least it gets me interested in the games that will be potentially arriving soon, not simply the promise of a maybe. For those with a capable gaming PC, there's still just about zero incentive to care about any of the Microsoft consoles anymore. Aside from of course when they sabotage the PC version to make the console versions more appealing.
Bitch Pudding
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Why late, they'll arrive just in time for MS' next console launch.
Seriously, does anyone really expect that MS of all companies heavily invests into exclusive games for a console right at the end of its life cycle?!
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