Vice News: Extremism Experts Are Starting to Worry About the Left

The biggest issue with Sanders is not how as much how far left he is(though his economic ideas are batshit insane IMO)

Bernie Sanders advocates for economic policies of social democracies such as those in europe, canada and Australia which work to great effect in those regions as we have seen. How batshit crazy and pie in the sky!

People who parrot this garbage obviously don't even step foot out of their houses
 
Extremists are extremists

To anyone who would dismiss something like this by saying "but those extremists are worse" are missing the point

The problem is the pattern of thinking, not what you're thinking about

It's always dangerous, always dangerous
 
High taxes for the rich. Health care for everyone. Maternity leave and paternity leave for new parents. Government has oversight over corporations. Don't oppress minorities.

That is what we call LEFT in the Netherlands.

Extreme LEFT is communism/anarchism.
 
how left was this guy anyway? Sanders attracted a lot of the left and also a lot of other more libertarian or freedom citizen("leftish", populist, Reagan democrat types) groups as well. Remember he was all about talking to the American middle, the average forgotten citizen, not the left.
 
Bernie Sanders advocates for economic policies of social democracies such as those in europe, canada and Australia which work to great effect in those regions as we have seen. How batshit crazy and pie in the sky!

People who parrot this garbage obviously don't even step foot out of their houses

yeah GAF is generally and genuinely fucking clueless when it comes to Sanders and his policies.

[sorry GAF, but it's true]
 
yeah GAF is generally and genuinely fucking clueless when it comes to Sanders and his policies.

[sorry GAF, but it's true]

It's funny now to look back at how insane GAF was in 2016 the way they tried to bury Bernie. They got their comeuppance a lot more quickly than anyone expected when Trump was elected though.
 
how left was this guy anyway? Sanders attracted a lot of the left and also a lot of other more libertarian or freedom citizen("leftish", populist, Reagan democrat types) groups as well. Remember he was all about talking to the American middle, the average forgotten citizen, not the left.

You can look at some of his manifesto's here...

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156092134.html

Honestly you'd be lucky to tell him apart from any basic progressive liberal. Based on his known views, he wasn't someone who had overly extreme and conspiratorial views. I agree with around 90% of what he says in the records i have found of his accounts because its categorically true, outside of the parts where he is overly saccharine to Obama and the democrats.

That is what rustles me the most about the guy. He basically believes most of what i believe, yet was driven to kill people...but if you believe in such a certain world view, why pick up a gun? You obviously know that won't solve anything but to get you killed and the cause you seem to be obsessed with delegitimized.

That is why i think he was mentally imbalanced in some way. Something like progressivsm is by its very nature supposed to be the exact opposite of militant radicalization like those crazy rightwing guys hiding out in the woods shooting at cops to keep their guns and li-ber-tay.
 
If you use the same tactic and methods as fascists, you are the same as them. It´s pretty funny and ignorant how it seems that the only way to fight extremism is with extremism.

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Isn't that a thing already in Canada and the UK?
Dude where do you get your bullshit from. The UK has plenty of critical discussion on Islam including the racist type (edl and Britain first) you do not get arrested for criticism. You can however get arrested for incitement of violence.

Actually learn about these other countries before you make stupid claims about them.
 
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Which was a reaction to right extremism? Sounds like they started it.
 

This shit doesn't make sense at all.

That one guy is a communist. Look at the lovely histories of the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia and North Korea to really see what the Extreme Left is capable of.

I never understood this equating of socialism with communism which apparently constantly happens in the States.
 
Is this a joke? I mean, the GOP are a full out extremist terrorist party who's bent on reverting civil rights, removing health care and killing millions of people doing so, and implementing a sharia christian state for their own economic benefit.

And we should "start to worry about the left?" Fuck off with this shit. The last 40 years have been nothing but trickle up economics and social marginalization of the 99%.
 
I don't really think there is any danger of the extreme left becoming particularly violent in the US apart from some splinter groups.

But for those saying that the far left is never violent, it could be useful to read on the European extreme left in the 70s/80s.
 
Bernie Sanders advocates for economic policies of social democracies such as those in europe, canada and Australia which work to great effect in those regions as we have seen. How batshit crazy and pie in the sky!

People who parrot this garbage obviously don't even step foot out of their houses
As some who lives in "socialist" Europe, with free health care and all the other stuff that's apparently totally impossible to finance (well, it helps when you don't finance 3% of your budget to a military that is already without comparison), I think the issue in the US is not that this stuff is not affordable, it's more that the country chooses not to afford it. You would have to make some hard concessions, and expect to essentially implode certain industries, like insurance markets. And you can make a point, that expecting that to happen is quite "crazy and pie in the sky".
 
Extremists are extremists

To anyone who would dismiss something like this by saying "but those extremists are worse" are missing the point

The problem is the pattern of thinking, not what you're thinking about

It's always dangerous, always dangerous

Not all extremist groups are equal though. Would you label one that hasn't killed anyone for their ideology the same as one that has killed dozens and openly calls for the death of many more?
 
It's the same tribalism bullshit you see on the right. They're turning good intentions, into bad actions.

the alt-right is infinitely worse, but in the ideal world, neither of these extreme groups would exist.
 

What is this supposed to be?

I know there's a bunch of Bernie supporters out there (included people on my FB wall) who think of themselves as communist/anarchist, whatever, but are mostly just upper middle class males who are social democrats no different from typical Europeans. So maybe that's where this cartoon comes from, and now "liberal" to them means... what? Centrist?

And yeah, don't think I didn't notice the "liberal" is the woman in this cartoon.

Gosh, people really need to calm the fuck down.
 
Both the extreme left and extreme right are as bad as each other. Horse shoe is damn right. Extreme Identity politics, nationalism, tribalism, etc. Crazy world we live in.
 
Is this a joke? I mean, the GOP are a full out extremist terrorist party who's bent on reverting civil rights, removing health care and killing millions of people doing so, and implementing a sharia christian state for their own economic benefit.
then why haven't they done that yet
 
Meanwhile hate crimes against Muslims are on the rise, republican legislators are trying to pass laws to allow further legal discrimination against gay/lesbian indviduals and couples, and last I checked only conservative "political groups" have a history of literally lynching other Americans. Yeah, I'm gonna stay worried about the right.
 
Except for that time part of my family had to be protected 24/7 because of a certain communist terrorist group, I guess.
I mean part of my family were actually raped and killed by US soldiers in Vietnam so I have bad stories to tell about Western imperialism. Doesn't mean I'd write off the entirety of the military.

Far left groups are only needed in response to the rise of actual fascists (which is a thing that doesn't seem too far off)
 
I mean part of my family were actually raped and killed by US soldiers in Vietnam so I have bad stories to tell about Western imperialism. Doesn't mean I'd write off the entirety of the military.

Far left groups are only needed in response to the rise of actual fascists (which is a thing that doesn't seem too far off)

"Far right groups are needed in response to the rise of actual communists" - Some CIA wig about to sign Pinochet's coup/arm centralamerican death squads.
 
Extremists are extremists

To anyone who would dismiss something like this by saying "but those extremists are worse" are missing the point

The problem is the pattern of thinking, not what you're thinking about

It's always dangerous, always dangerous

Europeans have had plenty of experience with left wing terrorists in the 70ies and 80ies: Rote Armee Brigade (Germany), Brigate Ross (Italy), Action Directe (France), First of October Anti-Fascist Resistance Groups (Spain), numerous groups in Greece. Modern-day Antifa's and anti-globalists have dangerous factions that have used violence during protests.

In the Netherlands there was an attack on extreme right politician Hans Janmaat where his secretary lost a leg, another right wing politician (Pim Fortuyn) was murdered by Volkert van der Graaf, an environmental and animal rights activist.
 
I'm going to say this again and again until it gets into people's skulls.

The Far Right is advocating Neo-Fascism. It is a violent authoritarian, anti-immigration, pro-minority oppression, anti-democratic, hyper-nationalistic ideology that advocates for the mass enslavement, death, and purge of innocent minorities and others who question the fascist state. They don't care about freedom of speech, they don't care about non-violence, they don't care about equality. They only use that as a weapon against the people who criticize and challenge them from gain power, to make them weak and afraid to fight back because it might make them look bad. Moderates and liberals are fucking falling for it and giving them platforms, they are validating an ideology that we all agree to never let it grow again when we all said "Never Fucking Again" after the holocaust. Fascism should not be entertained, it should not be debated on, it should not be advocated, it should be killed off and those who advocate it should be imprisoned and/or silenced.

We have entertain them for the past few years (Tea Party and the Alt-Right) and now they control the majority of the U.S. Government and are currently trying to silence and delegitimize the free press, get rid of people's healthcare, militarize the police even more and turning a blind eye to minority oppression, keeps pushes false media stories like pizzagate (which almost killed a man), enforcing policies that make it hard for minorities to vote, enforcing policies that allow discrimination against the LGBT, just relaxed gun control laws to allow mentally unstable people to have them, and is now threatening to charge stores who allows food stamps so that poor people go hungry and die. This is why people advocate violence against them, because we bloody know what happens if you give them an inch. We did, we "went high, while they went low", and they took over, because the reality is that no one gives a flying toss if you're morally high.

And no, it doesn't make us as bad as them. Their beliefs are centered in the idea of racial science being real, the belief in a master race and others being inferior to them, they believe in genocide and eugenics of innocent lives because they look, act, or think differently than their ideal Übermensch. Compare to the militant left, the violence is not on equal terms, and that's the reality of our society, no violence is equal to each other. The militant left are reacting to the violence of the far right, the violence against innocent lives because they're different, poor, and vulnerable. The Far Right is violent against innocent lives because they delusionally believe they are superior to everyone else and that everyone else should be eradicated or enslave.

I've always stood for the belief that peaceful solutions should be advocated until they no longer works and violence is the answer, and at this point, I feel drained from non-violent solutions because our so called "allies" and "moderates" care far more about the protecting the neo-fascists' rights over our own issues, without understand that they are actively causing our issues by validating them. I'm tired of seeing people telling us that we should talk to them, as if they would listen to the people they see as actively inferior to them in every way to the point they're not even human but just some animal to them. I'm just about had it with false equivalents.

If you really want to stop this violence from getting worse, the only way to do so is to stop the far right from growing any further and push them off the stage. Stop standing up for them, stop pushing this mythical version of "free speech" that you clearly have no clue what it means, stop pushing the "both sides are the same/equally valuable" garbage that's propagated in the news media, advocate for hate speech laws to prevent bigotry and "peaceful ethnic cleansing" from being preached in the public (This would help curb both extremes). Cause right now, negative peace from some liberals and moderates is not the answer to any of this and will only push us more and more divided until political violence in the U.S. starts to become an actual serious concern.
 
Why do we automatically ignore any extremism from the left?Look at how bad the right have become...do we want the left to become just as bad? Nip it in the bud.
So true if things get out of hand we'll have another negro president and women will get abortions willy nilly, and the gays.... the gays will have ::gulp:: equal rights! /s
 
Honestly despite our differences here, the main point I'm taking away here is that the USA fucking sucks
And what many are saying is that extremism on any side is a bad fucking idea. You don't fight extremism with extremism. Also the communist have suppressed, killed, jailed and tortured millions. Even though I am a leftist (not by American standards because America does not have left) with very socialist leanings, I will not becomes an extremist who wants to jail, kill and torture millions whom don't abide by my ideals. Even if the leftist extremists are only a reaction to the right's, if you behave like them you are not better than them, you are the same, period and that is not how you garner support and make an actual democratic change.
 
Why do we automatically ignore any extremism from the left?Look at how bad the right have become...do we want the left to become just as bad? Nip it in the bud.
Yes the left's extreme gay socialist multicultural agenda must be stopped! Their embrace of social safety nets and science based policy will be the doom of us all!

In much the same way as militant atheists are just as bad as religious extremists, extreme leftists are threatening to rival the extreme right's rampant ignorance and bigotry by slapping down Neonazis and opposing insane retrograde policies that kill the poor and ruin the planet.
 
Yes the left's extreme gay socialist multicultural agenda must be stopped! Their embrace of social safety nets and science based policy will be the doom of us all!

This is not what I think about when I think about Extreme Left.

I am thinking Gulag, The Killing Fields, Cultural Revolution, killing or imprisoning anybody who doesn't share your ideals, killing or imprisoning teachers and intelligentsia.

Some people here have a somewhat awkward views about Extreme Left. Or clearly different opinions on what constitutes Extreme Left
 
The problem here is that America has not had a real left for the longest time as it outright supressed progressive movements back during the cold war, so anything more progressive than Obama is going to be labeled a communist pinko. There's no nuance because there's no context.

America doesn't have a radical left problem despite recent events and radical left doesn't mean pushing for equal rights despite what actual neofascist, alt-righters and Trump monarchists may say.

Radical left would be a bunch of GRAPO shitheads hitting an armoured truck and killing everybody inside and then posting a communiqué calling it a revolutionary action and that the guards had it coming anyway for supporting capitalism.
 
And what many are saying is that extremism on any side is a bad fucking idea. You don't fight extremism with extremism. Also the communist have suppressed, killed, jailed and tortured millions. Even though I am a leftist (not by American standards because America does not have left) with very socialist leanings, I will not becomes an extremist who wants to jail, kill and torture millions whom don't abide by my ideals. Even if the leftist extremists are only a reaction to the right's, if you behave like them you are not better than same, you are the same period and that is not how you garner support and make an actual democratic change.

No, they are better than them, they are violently reacting to the far right's violence. Not all violence is equal, they can both be bad but one is worse than the other. I said it once and I'll say it again, the history of the left and progress is paved with blood and violence. From the French Revolution to the Civil Rights Movement, it's been fought with violence along side peaceful protest.

Also, I find the bolded laughable, because even being mostly peaceful, a majority didn't support the Civil Rights Movement back when it was happening, they only thought it was good afterwards.

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Hell, Black Lives Matter has been completely peaceful as of this moment and look what support they got, more militarize police, people calling them terrorists, people continuously ignoring police brutality. Not even the left in this country cares enough to bother with them, some even criticize them for how they protest because they don't want to be inconvenienced. Pure non-violence doesn't work, nor has it ever.
 
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