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UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government

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A) I really don't understand the Preston move thing, as there are discussions at the highest level happening right now about reforming people across London. As others have said, locating the homes isn't easy (my borough has 20,000 families waiting for social housing alone) but putting people in Preston already seems bizarre and odd given what's going on.
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It gets angry poor labour voters as far away from kennsington council as possible
 
It happens already with compulsory purchases.

Compulsory sale of property is routinely practised in the UK and is the means of choice for seizing property for any government project. The government can compel you to sell your land at its behest at any time.

Well that's not quite accurate, but I meant a precedent in this sort of circumstance, rather than an infrastructure project.
 
Theres everything wrong with housing as an investment, its a shit use of a limited resource and has probably been the thing that has fucked our economy over more than anything over the last 30 years

I've no objection to houses having a value but is there any honest reason why just owning a property should be a profitable venture

it's one of the few limited resources that any old pleb can own to make him feel important
 
Theres everything wrong with housing as an investment, its a shit use of a limited resource and has probably been the thing that has fucked our economy over more than anything over the last 30 years

I've no objection to houses having a value but is there any honest reason why just owning a property should be a profitable venture
Because there is always a reliable margin in using property as an investment. You can charge rent to tenants whilst the value of your property increases so your basically more than doubling your money.
 
This reminds me of when Britain Stronger in Europe went for the strategy of "leaving the EU will crash the housing market" and there was an immediate surge for Leave among young people.
 
Well that's not quite accurate, but I meant a precedent in this sort of circumstance, rather than an infrastructure project.
The public benefit is already very broadly interpreted. It is a pretty controversial topic mind.
Worst of it being that since the 80s with utilities being privatised but still holding much of their powers with regards to buying up property.

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Why? Property is highly valuable, specifically because of its usefulness; if it wasn't useful, it wouldn't have that value.
You see where the problem here lies then in that the land is useful but is not being used because commodities don't need to useful to be valuable. Take gold reserves for example. That gold isn't being used but is useful because of its scarcity and traditional use as currency that carries to this day because the market deems it so. Only that as you have stated land is actually useful, and so should not be used as gold.

A solution needs to be put in place for this pretty soon. Land holdings in the UK have been broken since 1066.
 
No, I meant it's inaccurate that they can "just kick you out at any time", so to speak.
They can if it is for the public benefit and that part of the legislation is intentionally broad to allow government the flexibility to do as it pleases. In most cases the argument is that HM Government acts in the public benefit by virtue of being HM government.
 
The main thing is we just need to build more fucking houses, and even more than every party is pledging right now.

The state needs to be involved, because it's not in the construction industry's interest to really build so many that it'd risk devaluation but we just need to invest as a nation and do it. In affordable housing, social housing, just more damn housing. It's been put off by successive governments for too long and it's not getting better.
 
Again, how exactly do you think that can be decoupled?

Controlling house price increases within inflation. No profit from ownership. That would increase rent significantly, in the unlikely event that were ever to happen, though.
 
The main thing is we just need to build more fucking houses, and even more than every party is pledging right now.

The state needs to be involved, because it's not in the construction industry's interest to really build so many that it'd risk devaluation but we just need to invest as a nation and do it. In affordable housing, social housing, just more damn housing. It's been put off by successive governments for too long and it's not getting better.
We need those 3D printed houses for super low income individuals because they're fuckkng great designs
 
Yeah fuck short term measures which benefit a few hundred people who have just had their homes, friends and families burned to a crisp and saves them being relocated hundreds of miles away. Just as bad as tax cuts for the super rich.

You realise they could do this as well as what you suggest, right?

No need to get angry and swear. I don't think kneejerk responses are useful. It's an easy way of pleasing the public and sweeping the underlying issues under the rug. I don't know the laws around this and if property owners would actually get a good deal out of selling to the government.

What about all the other people waiting for housing in Kensington? Where do we draw the line for the next time a disaster happens? How do you decide which homes get repossessed? Should we only be repossessing homes in Kensington? What happens when a homeowner absolutely does not want to sell their home for valid reasons? What happens when the property owner is a foreign investor?

At the end of the day, people bought these houses with an expectation it belongs to them. It sets a dangerous precedent if the government decides to flip this decision on a whim.
 
Again, how exactly do you think that can be decoupled?
Very simply, with punitive taxes on second homes/properties.

This isn't some unsolvable problem, it only requires the political will to do it. Obviously long term building more houses until house prices start falling will be the preferred solution, but we're a very long way away from that.
 
Houses are cheap. Land is expensive. That is especially true in London.
Efforts to break the land owning power of the aristocracy have been ongoing for much of the last century.
In before Crab talking about a Land Value Tax.
Which I support.
 
I don't think I'll ever get over that of Western democracies' flirtation with the brink of the far-right and white nationalists over these past few years, in a completely misguided and intentionally led diversion away from wealth inequality as our central problem in common, that the US elected an idiot, France and the Netherlands didn't even go through with their idiots, but the UK has walked backwards into an apparently irreversible fuck up that will legitimately make this country worse in every way I can think of.

When I see people start to gain momentum against Trump I think, well that's great, but he's gonna be gone no matter what...Brexit, though...

Grim times!
 
You seen this. Obviously the daily mail is shit etc http://www.*****************/news/article-4609352/Will-new-Lib-Dem-leader-deal-PM.html

I'm on mobile. Why is the link not working?
The Daily Mail is banned here.

Which is why you need to start taxing land value. Ever-spiralling cost of land is a major problem. This was known about 100 years ago.
And actually another thing we realised decades ago was the housebuilding was a great way to stimulate the economy. It creates a ton of jobs in all kinds of industries and was used to kickstart the post-war economy.
 
Very simply, with punitive taxes on second homes/properties.

This isn't some unsolvable problem, it only requires the political will to do it. Obviously long term building more houses until house prices start falling will be the preferred solution, but we're a very long way away from that.
Problem is those most historically likely to vote are those landlords. The young need to keep turning out to turn the tables around on everything. Older folk have had free reign to do whatever the fuck they want in a lot of areas thanks to the young not turning up.
 
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