UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government

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Oh god please let this come true

If we keep having elections, we never have to go back to community.

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Where exactly do we all go after this thread wraps up? I'm new to politics on GAF. I just assumed this thread would... well... last forever.
 
Where exactly do we all go after this thread wraps up? I'm new to politics on GAF. I just assumed this thread would... well... last forever.

I mean, the thread continues - it just gets moved to 'Community'. Pretty much ensures that no newcomers ever see it, no passing traffic - just the same old small bunch that gets continually smaller. See: FootyGAF, UK PoliGAF.
 
I still vote for a Brexit OT to see how well the UK's proposed bills go down with their competent counterparts in the EU.

Stuff like this from the Queen's speech (found on gov.uk):

IMMIGRATION BILL
"This will be complemented by legislation to ensure that the United Kingdom
makes a success of Brexit, establishing new national policies on immigration"
The purpose of the Bill is to:
• Allow the Government to end the EU's rules on free movement of EU nationals in
the UK and make the migration of EU nationals and their family members subject
to relevant UK law once the UK has left the EU, whilst still allowing the UK to
attract the brightest and the best.
The main benefits of the Bill would be:
• To ensure we have the flexibility to create a fair and sustainable immigration
system that gives us control over the numbers of people who come to the UK
from the EU.
The main elements of the Bill are:
• To allow the Government to repeal EU law on immigration, primarily free
movement, that will be saved and converted into UK law by the Repeal Bill.
• To allow the Government to make the migration of EU nationals and their family
members subject to relevant UK law once the UK has left the EU.
Territorial extent and application
• The Bill would apply to the UK. Immigration is a reserved matter.
Key facts
• The Repeal Bill will save and convert EU law into UK law before we leave the
EU. We are introducing an Immigration Bill that allows us to end free movement
in the UK and bring EU nationals within the UK's immigration system.

No more free movement after Brexit equals no single market, no?

Good luck with getting rid of your foreigners, Britain.

Also this: EU citizens to be asked to register for post-Brexit status before making sure their current status is secured.

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I mean, the thread continues - it just gets moved to 'Community'. Pretty much ensures that no newcomers ever see it, no passing traffic - just the same old small bunch that gets continually smaller. See: FootyGAF, UK PoliGAF.
Fair enough. Glad I jumped into the thread when I did then. At least we'll have GE 2017-2 to get things active again.
 
If I'm right in thinking that this Queen's Speech is to last two years worth of operational parliament...
1: The Conservatives expect to pass very little.
2: The Conservatives have only chosen to do things that place Labour in a position to support or otherwise be criticised.
3: Austerity still reigns and nothing will change for the better in any way.

I hope something happens next week that destabilises the whole Tory/DUP coalition. Working with such a staunch extremist party will backfire on them somehow.
 
"Grenfell Tower families to be rehoused in 68 apartments in luxury development" - Via The Guardian.

Interesting to note:

The homes are within the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea but in the more affluent south end of the borough. They have been purchased by the Corporation of London and will become part of its social housing stock.

A big, well-deserved poke in the eye for wankers who love how "exclusive" their posh, expensive housing complex is, although the article does note that it's unclear if Grenfell survivors will get access to the perks of the building private tenants get, like "a 24-hour concierge, swimming pool, sauna and spa and private cinema."
 
"Grenfell Tower families to be rehoused in 68 apartments in luxury development" - Via The Guardian.

Interesting to note:



A big, well-deserved poke in the eye for wankers who love how "exclusive" their posh, expensive housing complex is, although the article does note that it's unclear if Grenfell survivors will get access to the perks of the building private tenants get, like "a 24-hour concierge, swimming pool, sauna and spa and private cinema."

I'm sure they will build a separate entrance to stop the residents having to mix.
 
"Grenfell Tower families to be rehoused in 68 apartments in luxury development" - Via The Guardian.

Interesting to note:



A big, well-deserved poke in the eye for wankers who love how "exclusive" their posh, expensive housing complex is, although the article does note that it's unclear if Grenfell survivors will get access to the perks of the building private tenants get, like "a 24-hour concierge, swimming pool, sauna and spa and private cinema."

oh look Corbyn was right again
 
oh look Corbyn was right again

He's a mad man, his words will never come true and he has no idea what he was talking about!

- but they've just done this what he suggested

He'll never run the country, he's an idiot

- but they've also done this

He has no idea what he's talking about!

- look at how they've done what he suggested for the tower survivors

Look, his socialist ideals have no place in modern society, look at how socialism just leads to dictatorship, he doesn't know what he's doing.

- but

Jeremy Corbyn is a monster.

- I give up.
 
He's a mad man, his words will never come true and he has no idea what he was talking about!

- but they've just done this what he suggested

He'll never run the country, he's an idiot

- but they've also done this

He has no idea what he's talking about!

- look at how they've done what he suggested for the tower survivors

Look, his socialist ideals have no place in modern society, look at how socialism just leads to dictatorship, he doesn't know what he's doing.

- but

Jeremy Corbyn is a monster.

- I give up.

Also: will ruin economy as he is a Marxist-Leninist hell bent on making a command economy which will be run from his revolutionary abode in Islington.
 
Also: will ruin economy as he is a Marxist-Leninist hell bent on making a command economy which will be run from his revolutionary abode in Islington.

Well also he didn't bow to the Queen during the reading of the speech today so he is a traitor to her majesty and the Royal Family

Now turn to page 17, we've got Kate Middleton's tit pics!
 
What have y'all got against grammar schools?

They're put in middle class areas and gamed by middle class parents so their kids don't have to mix with the estate riff-raff.

Every single credible independent report says that grammar schools are a bad idea if you want to raise education standards across the board and narrow the gap between low and high achievers.
 
If I'm right in thinking that this Queen's Speech is to last two years worth of operational parliament...
1: The Conservatives expect to pass very little.
2: The Conservatives have only chosen to do things that place Labour in a position to support or otherwise be criticised.
3: Austerity still reigns and nothing will change for the better in any way.

Pretty much. Another two years of government accomplishing nothing of any worth for the people (in addition to the last already-wasted year).

Irrespective of peoples' for/against views on Brexit, it's impossible to argue that it isn't the most monumental distraction from almost any other key domestic policy matters. It's a behemoth of a subject that tramples over all other issues. This government is about the Brexit, the whole Brexit and nothing but the Brexit. What an appalling mishandling of power and opportunity to govern positively and achieve something of worth.
 
What have y'all got against grammar schools?

Nothing, apart from all the actual evidence suggests that as a whole they drive attainment down across the entire cohort. I mean, the evidence is so uniform that whenever a Tory minister was asked to produce evidence as to their efficacy they just couldn't.

I mean they're not even particularly popular with the Tories target demo. Even people who have a notion that they're a good idea (normally the same sort of wouldn't it be great if it were the 50's and we could still pretend to have an empire Brexit fantasists) quickly lose that when it turns out their little Pippa or Justin is a bit thick and can't get in.
 
They're put in middle class areas and gamed by middle class parents so their kids don't have to mix with the estate riff-raff.

Every single credible independent report says that grammar schools are a bad idea if you want to raise education standards across the board and narrow the gap between low and high achievers.

Gamed? The kid still has to pass a test to get in right? Are they sitting the test for them?
 
They're put in middle class areas and gamed by middle class parents so their kids don't have to mix with the estate riff-raff.

Every single credible independent report says that grammar schools are a bad idea if you want to raise education standards across the board and narrow the gap between low and high achievers.

This.

It allows the 'haves' to pretend the 'have nots' don't exist. That the strains and social pressures surrounding the schools that the great majority attend don't exist.

I simply don't believe in encouraging a tiered education system in which money buys success. It will to some degree, it probably always will, but the state shouldn't be actively encouraging that.

I don't agree with faith schools or free schools either, regardless of their success. Parents seem to experience false latter day conversions in order to get their offspring in to successful faith schools, I find them problematic ideologically speaking (in a secular society), and as for free schools - I have no opposition to the funding freedoms, it's the lack of regulation (free from LEA oversight) that doesn't sit right with me (I know they still have Ofsted inspections etc).

All of these uneven and inequitably distributed models disrupt what would otherwise be a more level playing field.
 
This.

It allows the 'haves' to pretend the 'have nots' don't exist. That the strains and social pressures surrounding the schools that the great majority attend don't exist.

I simply don't believe in encouraging a tiered education system in which money buys success. It will to some degree, it probably always will, but the state shouldn't be actively encouraging that.

I don't agree with faith schools or free schools either, regardless of their success. Parents seem to experience false latter day conversions in order to get their offspring in to successful faith schools, I find them problematic ideologically speaking (in a secular society), and as for free schools - I have no opposition to the funding freedoms, it's the lack of regulation (free from LEA oversight) that doesn't sit right with me.

All of these uneven and inequitably distributed models disrupt what would otherwise be a more level playing field.

What?

Am I just confused as to what a grammar school is?
 
Corbyn aint taking no shit.

am I right in thinking May is less smug now?

Corbyn has been surprisingly stellar with this speech. He's normally a bit meh in the Commons compared to the stumps, but he's dropping zinger after zinger and they're all pretty much on target.

The I hope the prime minister will undo the mistakes made by the previous home secretary on police cuts was pretty pointed, as was the stealing lunch remake (May was visibly furious about that)
 
"Lets decide our immigration on the basis of the needs of our communities and our economy, not to the tune of the dog-whistle cynicism of Lynton Crosby or the hate campaigns of some sections of our press, whose idea of patriotism is to base themselves in an overseas tax haven."

"It's not good enough to be grateful to our public service workers only at a moment of crisis and disaster. They deserve dignity: the dignity or fully funded services, the dignity of not seeing their jobs cut and living standards fall." -

Corbyn is on that righteous indignation ticket right now, and it's wonderful.
 
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