UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government

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The Daily Mail going full on Fox News this morning, acting deeply offended when someone publicly calls them out on their racist bile and hatred.

They'll be calling us snowflakes next.
 
It's actually quite interesting to compare Abbott and Johnson, in that neither is really competent enough to be a senior figure in their party and they're both unpopular with the public and a large number of their own MP's, but they have a lot of support within their parties.
 
Remember this from the Guardian?

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Well it seems like Mr. Dacre is rather upset about it:

 
The Daily Mail going full on Fox News this morning, acting deeply offended when someone publicly calls them out on their racist bile and hatred.

They'll be calling us snowflakes next.

Well it seems like Mr. Dacre is rather upset about it:
It seems clear that the right are truly terrified of the thought that a progressive platform could win the election.

Since their vile attempt to smear and lie with everything they had utterly failed to dent Corbyn, the only thing they can think of is to try and delegitimize the Left as a bunch of raging hate mongers who want anarchy. Examples like the Mails front page today and also this sudden conversation about subletting and potential immigrants living in Grenfell Tower and how we shouldn't be giving them £1.5M homes and instead deport or arrest them unlike the loony left.

Absolutely disgusting, hopefully this blows up in their faces like their election campaigns did.
 
Remember this from the Guardian?



Well it seems like Mr. Dacre is rather upset about it:

Hah, whiny cunt.

The right really are just projectionists at this point. The liberal left are snowflakes, won't let people 'tell it like it is', etc, etc.

Call on them their bullshit and they become the same pathetic cunts they were trying to label the left as.
 
But this is a far from one-off insult to our readers, who - as should go without saying - were as horrified and appalled as the rest of the country by the Finsbury Park attacks.
You sure about that Dacre? Guess you didn't see the comments on the articles from your readers. They were fucking vile.
 
I'm not sure at what point people see me calling diabetes a joke, but people see what they want to see when going straight to defence mode. I'm saying it's not the diabetes that makes her a bad politician but that she is a bad idiot.

A lot of the criticism of Abbott was put on the backburner while everyone thought she'd just got recent bad news about a new illness. Diabetes is a shitter no doubt, but just like she missed the Brexit bill vote and now had to miss the end of an election, along with a long litany of her saying the absolute stupidest shit, it's clear she's not cut out for the front bench let alone the high stress job of actually being Home Secretary. She's so consistently the weakest link of Corbyn's Loyalists that if she stays it shows he has no ability to compromise and take the tough choices.

You clearly haven't been around someone who isn't taking proper care and doing a good job maintaining their diabetes.

I suggest you read up on what the effects can be. A lot of what she was doing suddenly made sense to me when she revealed she was diabetic.

You have plenty of time now that you're banned.
 
You sure about that Dacre? Guess you didn't see the comments on the articles from your readers. They were fucking vile.

They cover that in that editorial. The Daily Mail and the Mail Online are, apparently, two completely separate entities with "different publishers, different readership and have completely different world views".

Also, we were all born on the 21/06/2017.
 
They cover that in that editorial. The Daily Mail and the Mail Online are, apparently, two completely separate entities with "different publishers, different readership and have completely different world views".

Also, we were all born on the 21/06/2017.

Holy shit! This is hilarious, they can't really think anyone will buy this horseshit.
 
Remember this from the Guardian?

Well it seems like Mr. Dacre is rather upset about it:
Aww, poor Daily Mail. Being vilified.

I legitimately can't believe that Dacre or anyone who works for the Mail, Sun or Express genuinely doesn't realise what they're doing when they write articles about immigration, sharia law, halal food.

Halal. Fucking. Food. That was a front page of a national newspaper. Stirring a faux-outrage against Muslims.

Its disingenuous and rather sickening. I'll be glad when this paper either has to change its tune or die out.
 
Aww, poor Daily Mail. Being vilified.

I legitimately can't believe that Dacre or anyone who works for the Mail, Sun or Express genuinely doesn't realise what they're doing when they write articles about immigration, sharia law, halal food.

Halal. Fucking. Food. That was a front page of a national newspaper. Stirring a faux-outrage against Muslims.

Its disingenuous and rather sickening. I'll be glad when this paper either has to change its tune or die out.

They wrote an article about how the EU was stopping us having bendy bananas. It's all a bunch of banoffee.
 
They cover that in that editorial. The Daily Mail and the Mail Online are, apparently, two completely separate entities with "different publishers, different readership and have completely different world views".

Also, we were all born on the 21/06/2017.

Different world views, they share about 80% of the same content. Ok the online version has more half naked female celebrities sunbathing but that's the only substantive difference.
 
We have two grammar schools here in Lancaster, boys and girls. The boys you can just pay to get in (boarding) and go around the 11+ as someone did from my primary when we were kids.

I went to the boys one myself... wasn't a border though. There were some proper crayon eaters that were though. Generally a fucking horrible school imo though, fuck LRGS, FUCK IT SO HARD.

Sure we got good results and all that lark, but being told you're useless by teachers on a somewhat regular basis and the horrific amount of bullying that went on if you weren't Rich, Extremely Smart or Both. Granted this was back in the 90s, but still.

/rant

My other half works at an academy, and although some of the behaviour stories she tells me blow my freaking mind (what the hell happened to kids man?!) it generally seems pretty good and she loves it there. I'm glad the grammar school plan has been swept under the rug.
 
I love when papers pull the 'Oh no that's not us, that's the Sunday paper, it's different' like that ever ever ever matters to readers, or that it makes sense in 2017. If you pitched that today you'd be laughed at.

Throwing 'oh the website of us isn't us', while editorially separate in many cases, into that debate is such laughable bollocks
 
So Boris had his Diane Abbot moment.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-boris-johnson-flounders-on-interview-circuit

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ash-unable-answer-questions-bbc-a7801936.html

But after Mr Mair asked what the point of the prime minister was when she couldn't solved the "burning injustices" she was so concerned about, or deliver the manifesto promises people voted for, Mr Johnson floundered again.

After failing to answer the question on four occasions, he finally settled on: "The point of the Prime Minister is to lead the country, to give a ...er... lead on these key issues ...and to take this Queen's Speech through.

"And she will, and she will do a great job."

And the Tories' welfare policy was ruled as "causing misery for no good purpose" by the High court.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lawsuit-court-case-judge-misery-a7802286.html

The Government has been dealt a huge blow as the High Court ruled its benefit cap is unlawful and illegally discriminates against single parents with young children.

Delivering his verdict, High Court judge Mr Justice Collins said the benefit cap was causing "real damage" to lone parent families, and, in a further blow to ministers, said "real misery is being caused to no good purpose".
 
Who is Dacre trying to kid? Does he know he's talking bollocks or does he genuinely think his rag doesn't stir up hatred?

He's trying to assuage any guilt his readers feel and rally them to his defence.

You need only look at the collages Stop Funding Hate put up on Facebook of Daily Mail front pages to realise what a deeply dark and insidiously racist, xenophobic campaign they have been waging on Britain over the last few years.

Dacre and his ilk need to go join Roger Ailes in hell. And Murdoch too. Their willingness to dispense with any sort of decency while pursuing their agenda, has been spreading an absolute cancer of mistrust and hatred in all kinds of circles, they are a stain on the national conscience and an affront to the very idea of ethics in journalism.

I wish what they were saying were true. I'd have no issue if a small c conservative paper was all they were. I respect columnists like Hitchens. But in general drive and ambition, considering the sum of all parts, they are awful and the UK would be a far nicer place if the DM ceased to exist.
 
Who is Dacre trying to kid? Does he know he's talking bollocks or does he genuinely think his rag doesn't stir up hatred?

You put an animal into a corner and the more likely it is to lash out. 🙈
 
I'm trying to think of a more outwardly disgusting part of the government than the DWP. Every time it's ruled that they're breaching human rights or causing general misery, the response is always "We're disappointed that you feel that way."
Can you image the lack of empathy, the lack of a soul, needed to work there?
 
Scaremongering about cladding isn’t going to do any good. They need to work out if and where a similar product and design of cladding has been used - blanket statements about cladding is just going to cause unnecessary panic.
 

Personally, I don't think all this ping ponging of 'this politician is a blithering idiot' is doing anyone any favours, it's just petty pot shots, and all it does is stir up ire from either camps fanatics.

As for the welfare policy, glad to see the Tories getting a kicking, keep kicking, they ain't dead just yet.
 
Personally, I don't think all this ping ponging of 'this politician is a blithering idiot' is doing anyone any favours, it's just petty pot shots, and all it does is stir up ire from either camps fanatics.

To a point, but look at what Johnson actually stumbled over - what was in the Queen's Speech and the government's legislative agenda for the next two years. Effectively the opposite of a 'gotcha' line of questioning, this is basic stuff that he should have been able to talk about with confidence and without notes to fumble through. He deserves the flak.
 
No 10 have clarified that it's 600 buildings 'with cladding', not 'similar cladding' and it's up to the landlords to check and confirm.

Bit like the cladding on the flats near mine? The Tory council said "it seems" the cladding used is safe and left it at that.

Scaremongering about cladding isn’t going to do any good. They need to work out if and where a similar product and design of cladding has been used - blanket statements about cladding is just going to cause unnecessary panic.

Rather scaremongering then it being left alone for people to die again
 
Pulling the list of buildings with cladding was the easy part. It's going to take a long time to work out which are safe and which need to be looked at.

All this expenditure because they tried to save £2 a square metre. Conservative austerity has been penny-wise and pound-foolish.
 
No 10 have clarified that it's 600 buildings 'with cladding', not 'similar cladding' and it's up to the landlords to check and confirm.
I think this is a good idea, can't think of any recent problems where building safety has advised to be 'up to the landlords.'
And the Tories' welfare policy was ruled as "causing misery for no good purpose" by the High court.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lawsuit-court-case-judge-misery-a7802286.html
Interesting. As a side note, its so good that the judge clearly understood these people are the workshy, feckless problems that the Tory party (and right wing media) appears to see them as.
 
Rather scaremongering then it being left alone for people to die again
I disagree. They can look into where there are genuine issues and take appropriate action without the media causing undue stress for thousands of people by scaremongering perfectly safe cladding installations.
 
No 10 have clarified that it's 600 buildings 'with cladding', not 'similar cladding' and it's up to the landlords to check and confirm.
Wait, is this true? Are they fucking kidding?

The whole reason we got into this mess was because of private companies doing the bare minimum of what’s legally required (and failed in many other ways) yet this national tragedy is just left to them to check?

They need independent investigators to handle this, not let companies take control.
 
I disagree. They can look into where there are genuine issues and take appropriate action without the media causing undue stress for thousands of people by scaremongering perfectly safe cladding installations.

Not just about cladding. The estate near mine doesn't have working fire alarms or sprinklers. Then you have the cladding that " looks safe" scaremongering is pretty much the truth here.
 
Not just about cladding. The estate near mine doesn't have working fire alarms or sprinklers. Then you have the cladding that " looks safe" scaremongering is pretty much the truth here.
When they say " looks to be safe " I very much doubt they just got the caretaker to give it the once over. The type of cladding used will be recorded on the detailed plans and specifications that the companies who carried out the refurishments worked to.
 
Personally, I don't think all this ping ponging of 'this politician is a blithering idiot' is doing anyone any favours, it's just petty pot shots, and all it does is stir up ire from either camps fanatics.

Here's one thing it's helping with. It works as an idiot detector.

Anyone who gets all worked up over Abbott and excuses/ignores Boris - is probably an idiot.
Anyone who gets all worked up over Boris and excuses/ignores Abbott - is probably an idiot.
Anyone who gets all worked up over both of them - is probably a hypocrite.
Anyone who figures that this happens to politicians of all parties when they're hit with questions they're not prepared for is probably kind of right.
 
Anyone who gets all worked up over both of them - is probably a hypocrite.

Uh, wouldn't that be the opposite? They're being consistent and not excusing one over the other purely based on party affiliation.

Anyone who figures that this happens to politicians of all parties when they're hit with questions they're not prepared for is probably kind of right.

But they should have been prepared. Abbot was the Shadow Home Sec promoting a policy on policing and the Queen's Speech and blueprint for the Tory government's plans only happened yesterday. It's not like it's the typical "do this mental arithmetic right now" gotcha question.
 
Here's one thing it's helping with. It works as an idiot detector.

Anyone who gets all worked up over Abbott and excuses/ignores Boris - is probably an idiot.
Anyone who gets all worked up over Boris and excuses/ignores Abbott - is probably an idiot.
Anyone who gets all worked up over both of them - is probably a hypocrite.
Anyone who figures that this happens to politicians of all parties when they're hit with questions they're not prepared for is probably kind of right.

People are mostly getting worked up about the double standard in the media though, not that this proves Boris is an idiot (because, lets face it, there is hardly a dearth of evidence to prove that if they wanted to)
 
Here's one thing it's helping with. It works as an idiot detector.

Anyone who gets all worked up over Abbott and excuses/ignores Boris - is probably an idiot.
Anyone who gets all worked up over Boris and excuses/ignores Abbott - is probably an idiot.
Anyone who gets all worked up over both of them - is probably a hypocrite.
Anyone who figures that this happens to politicians of all parties when they're hit with questions they're not prepared for is probably kind of right.

You think Boris shouldn't have been prepared for questions about his party's Queen's Speech?
 
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