Pacman Fight Hype?

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I honestly don't ever wanna see Pac fight again. Even though he was winning, he looked terrible through out the entire fight.
 
Jerm411 said:
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Boxing....
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If you care just about punch numbers then stick to ameteur boxing.

At the end of the day, those stats are composed by two guys who are capable of making mistakes.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
the next time he says something remotely insightful or interesting will be the first time. He has the most basic, rudimentary knowledge of the shit he talks about, he just yells it so people think it's interesting. LIstening to him try and talk about boxing when Max Kellerman is employed by the same company is painful.
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Skip won.

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Shanks D Zoro said:
If you care just about punch numbers then stick to ameteur boxing.

At the end of the day, those stats are composed by two guys who are capable of making mistakes.
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Oh silly me....I forgot "heart" and "aggression" count towards scoring now somehow...

Just stop....there is no compelling argument for Horn winning this fight, going by the numbers and yes by watching it.
 
Yes they brought Teddy back! Shows a lot when he says it's corrupt after 45 years in the biz. Don't know many sports where a big personality can go off and speak down about the sport.
 
Jerm411 said:
Oh silly me....I forgot "heart" and "aggression" count towards scoring now somehow...

Just stop....there is no compelling argument for Horn winning this fight, going by the numbers and yes by watching it.
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No, it is not the only focus, but constantly backing up your opponent and forcing them to only rely on counter punching should.

And as I said, those numbers are done by humans. Just relying on compubox scores is pointless.
 
Floyd trending after Horn called him out.

Floyd probably crunching the numbers right now to see if he could flip this situation into a decent payday.
 
Jerm411 said:
Oh silly me....I forgot "heart" and "aggression" count towards scoring now somehow...

Just stop....there is no compelling argument for Horn winning this fight, going by the numbers and yes by watching it.
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Aggression as in a form of ring generalship doesn't count for scoring?

WHAT!?!
 
Shanks D Zoro said:
No, it is not the only focus, but constantly backing up your opponent and forcing them to only rely on counter punching should.

And as I said, those numbers are done by humans. Just relying on compubox scores is pointless.
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Counter-punching don't count now?

But you know what? let's stop beating around the bush, do you think Horn won? if so, which rounds did you have him win?
Because maaaaaaaaaan, I'm struggling to see that and I didn't even check the compubox until I went to this thread.

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Once you're done doing 115-113 you can move to Master Ninja Difficulty and explain the 117-111 score.
 
Chichikov said:
Counter-punching don't count now?

But you know what? let's stop beating around the bush, do you think Horn won? if so, which rounds did you have him win?
Because maaaaaaaaaan, I'm struggling to see that and I didn't even check the compubox until I went to this thread.

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Once you're done doing 115-113 you can move to Master Ninja Difficulty and explain the 117-111 score.
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Of course counter punching counts. However, that is all Manny could do except in the 4th and 9th. Manny was getting backed up and could only counter. He couldn't take the fight to Horn. Horn was constantly hiotting Manny's arms to the point Manny was too tired to punch with his normal speed. Horn was just the better man in the ring on the night.

It is easy to say which rounds, I could turn around and say the same to you. Not that it is evidence for a victory, but everyone on the UK broadcast had the fight pretty much spot on 115-113.

I personally scored the first three rounds to Horn, fourth to Manny. 5-8 was pretty even. 9th was a clear Manny round, the only absolutely clear round in the fight. 10th to Horn. 11-12 pretty even.

What was your scorecard?
 
lightskintwin said:
THIS.

Usually it's the non boxing fan or casual boxing fan who thinks simply being the aggressor means you should win the round.

We call it ineffective aggression.
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My man you call yourself a hardcore fan, you think that's how it worked for the past half century? That's how it should be on paper but come on. Alot of judges see and score aggression even if punches don't land. If "ineffective aggression" wasn't scored like you say, there are bunch of Mexican fighters including the great JCC would have a bunch of questionable losses right now.

I wonder how on earth Pacquiao won 2 of the 4 Marquez fights if this were the case.
 
Jerm411 said:
Oh silly me....I forgot "heart" and "aggression" count towards scoring now somehow...

Just stop....there is no compelling argument for Horn winning this fight, going by the numbers and yes by watching it.
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No, watching it made Horn look a winner, just. The stats look better for Manny.
 
Galactic Barret said:
If you mean land twice as many punches...

Yeah, Manny did that, too.

I honestly don't understand how you throw 600+ punches, land 90~, and win without a Knockdown or TKO.
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No I mean throw punches because while I was exaggerating about twice as many, horn clearly threw more and throwing percentages out there doesn't paint the whole picture. Should've been a tko in the 9th or 10th but pac thought he was safe after the 9th and looked what happened.
 
BunnyBear said:
No, watching it made Horn look a winner, just. The stats look better for Manny.
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We must've watched a different fight because watching a guy charge in like a bull with his head down, flail with wild punches, constantly throwing forearms and elbows....oh and being out on his feet in the 9th after being pounded on doesn't exactly scream "winner" to me.
 
Farsi said:
My man you call yourself a hardcore fan, you think that's how it worked for the past half century? That's how it should be on paper but come on. Alot of judges see and score aggression even if punches don't land. If "ineffective aggression" wasn't scored like you say, there are bunch of Mexican fighters including the great JCC would have a bunch of questionable losses right now.
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Oh, I have seen plenty of judges score ineffective aggression and activity over landing clean punches. It's usually where a lot of robberies stem from. Despite me having Manny winning a clear decision, I knew the fight was up for grabs in the decision especially because it was in Australia. However when i heard the 117 -111 score first and it appeared to be a unanimous decision, I was pretty certain Manny must've won. LOL

Farsi said:
I wonder how on earth Pacquiao won 2 of the 4 Marquez fights if this were the case.
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Most people feel Marquez was robbed their 3rd fight including myself.
 
Jerm411 said:
We must've watched a different fight because watching a guy charge in like a bull with his head down, flail with wild punches, constantly throwing forearms and elbows....oh and being out on his feet in the 9th after being pounded on doesn't exactly scream "winner" to me.
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I agree, he looked shithouse in the 9th and Manny should have finished him... but he didn't, and he let Jeff back into the fight. Ouch.

Say what you will, but Horn beasted the first 8 rounds.
 
lightskintwin said:
Oh, I have seen plenty of judges score ineffective aggression and activity over landing clean punches. It's usually where a lot of robberies stem from. Despite me having Manny winning a clear decision, I knew the fight was up for grabs in the decision especially because it was in Australia. However when i heard the 117 -111 score first and it appeared to be a unanimous decision, I was pretty certain Manny must've won. LOL
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WAIT One judge scored it 117-111 for Horn!? Holy shit I didn't even notice. That's atrocious.
 
BunnyBear said:
I agree, he looked shithouse in the 9th and Manny should have finished him... but he didn't, and he let Jeff back into the fight. Ouch.

Say what you will, but Horn beasted the first 8 rounds.
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BEASTED. LOL

To Jeff's credit, he did much better than anybody expected and showed heart coming back from that 9th. Funny enough On my scorecard I had it 4-4 after 8 rounds. And I gave two of them to Jeff since they were close rounds and I knew he's probably get them since we were in Australia.
 
I love these headbutts (some unintentional) and elbows in the clinch (mostly intentional) watching the replay.

You hear a lot about how impressed they are that Horn isn't scared of Manny, so maybe he gets points for that? I'm really thinking they just want the belt away from M-Pac. :shrug:

Those headlocks by Horn had me expecting a Bulldog followup.
ColdDeckEd said:
No I mean throw punches because while I was exaggerating about twice as many, horn clearly threw more and throwing percentages out there doesn't paint the whole picture. Should've been a tko in the 9th or 10th but pac thought he was safe after the 9th and looked what happened.
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Threw 50 more, land 90 less. You saying he threw more, but then stats don't matter? Bro.

Horn dog won, can't change that, but he shouldn't have. I would ask for receipts on your belief that Horn won legit, but they all point toward Pacquiao, so...
 
I gave it for Horn, but not 117-111. That score is ridiculous.

Horn did great in the early rounds, and his shots were definitely finding their mark. What I found lame was the constant hugging and cheap shots to Pac's cut. Round 12 was a ridiculous exhibition of this pattern.
 
It's funny now because i'm looking through my scorecard and I had it 5-5 tied after 10 rounds. I didn't score the 9th round 10-8 for Pacquiao but acknowledged it very well could've. I didn't score the 11th and 12th rounds, but I think those could've went either way.

Now admittedly i was scoring my card giving Horn the benefit of the doubt, but I guess I could see how Horn won that fight. LOL

Maybe it wasn't a robbery after all. I need to go back and score the 11th and 12th round.
 
lightskintwin said:
It's funny now because i'm looking through my scorecard and I had it 5-5 tied after 10 rounds. I didn't score the 9th round 10-8 for Pacquiao but acknowledged it very well could've. I didn't score the 11th and 12th rounds, but I think those could've went either way.

Now admittedly i was scoring my card giving Horn the benefit of the doubt, but I guess I could see how Horn won that fight. LOL

Maybe it wasn't a robbery after all. I need to go back and score the 11th and 12th round.
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11th round was Pac
12th round was Horn
 
LionPride said:
Larry Holmes flabby and sick Manny vs someone that nobody knew was gonna make Boxing great again???
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This was the first time a live boxing fight featuring a big name, and yes Pacman is still a big name, was broadcast on free television in as long as I can remember. It was a chance to showcase the sport, but instead the sport's corruption reared its ugly head
 
perfectchaos007 said:
This was the first time a live boxing fight featuring a big name, and yes Pacman is still a big name, was broadcast on free television in as long as I can remember. It was a chance to showcase the sport, but instead the sport's corruption reared its ugly head
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It was the best free promo for ESPN. Everybody now is going to watch the rematch.
 
Galactic Barret said:
I love these headbutts (some unintentional) and elbows in the clinch (mostly intentional) watching the replay.

You hear a lot about how impressed they are that Horn isn't scared of Manny, so maybe he gets points for that? I'm really thinking they just want the belt away from M-Pac. :shrug:

Those headlocks by Horn had me expecting a Bulldog followup.

Threw 50 more, land 90 less. You saying he threw more, but then stats don't matter? Bro.

Horn dog won, can't change that, but he shouldn't have. I would ask for receipts on your belief that Horn won legit, but they all point toward Pacquiao, so...
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Bro. I wrote I thought pac got robbed what are you going on about.

I didn't say stats matter I said percentages don't paint the whole picture. The more punches thrown by horn show he was the aggressor. Do you get me now bro?
 
ColdDeckEd said:
Bro. I wrote I thought pac got robbed what are you going on about.

I didn't say stats matter I said percentages don't paint the whole picture. The more punches thrown by horn show he was the aggressor. Do you get me now bro?
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Oh, I got you now, Broseph. Couldn't tell by sentence structure and all, my bad, Brosky.

Horn was aggressive as hell, though. In the dirtiest ways available, he was definitely aggressive, Brotato chip.
 
Galactic Barret said:
Oh, I got you now, Broseph. Couldn't tell by sentence structure and all, my bad, Brosky.

Horn was aggressive as hell, though. In the dirtiest ways available, he was definitely aggressive, Brotato chip.
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Lol my "I thought Pacman got robbed..." wasn't clear enough for you brotein shake?
 
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