clarknova156
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Talk about "Unreal" latency.
Sorry..
Sorry..
Namco on Tekken 7's input lag: "Unreal Engine 4 eats 3 - 4 frames"
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Injustice 2 runs on the same engine as MKX - a customized version of UE3, not UE4. Guilty Gear XRD also runs on UE3 and has about ~5 frames of input lag on console, 2 full frames lower than SFV. The numbers are better on PC for everything, but the gap is actually bigger between the UE4 games and the UE3 games.
This is the fear with Dragon Ball FighterZ. Tekken and Injustice input lag matters a lot less because the faster moves in those games are between 8-10 frames. Street Fighter and GG have 3-4 frame moves, which means DBFZ is likely to have some 3-4 frame moves.
It's the difference between something being impossible to react and being difficult to react.
You could see the difference in SFV play immediately when the input lag patch hit- Ken and Nash specifically were hurt huge as people started to be able to react to things they were doing.
Tekken has sidestepping, which have around 3 frames of startup. The lag makes reacting with movement far less reliable.
It's just as big of a problem in Tekken as in SF.
ZeroTheShadow
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As far as you can tell? IJ2 has less input lag than SFV & there are #s to prove it.
https://displaylag.com/video-game-input-lag-database/
That's a lot easier said than done, man.
"Hey just ditch this super well documented engine and easy to use software to spend multiple millions of dollars to make your own that you might only use a time or two the entire generation"
Check Noodall's twitter. His tests have SFV at lower input lag than IJ2... although very marginal.
ZeroTheShadow
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mikezilla2
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aside from the inputlag Just how is tekken 7 all round ?
You must not be about that low parry life.
Right. I brought it up because I thought it was a case of a UE4 game matching a UE3 game. I didn't realize Xrd had less delay than IJ2, though.
Thanks, didn't realize they measured games.
Spinosaurus
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Wow I thought 7f of input lag was pretty standard for Tekken but apparently I'm way off lol.
They gotta fix that.
They gotta fix that.
The input lag has always been pretty close, it's just that Tekken is a slower game in general, so moves take longer to come out.
That's not exactly what I said. I strongly recommend comparing my results against my results. They tend to differ from displaylag's by 0.5-1F. i.e. if you compare my results for PC T7 versus their results for PS4 T7 you end up with an extra frame between them.
http://forums.shoryuken.com/discuss...hod-games-controllers-etc-20-4-pc-games-added
If you check the posts from 20 days ago you can see where I go through the differences between our two sets of results.
Shogmaster
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Meh. It's Tekken. Sloppy controls fit.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Maybe I'm missing something but considering fps isn't an issue. why would they pick the laggiest input version to be the tournament standard?
Most games run on PS4 so they just went with it here.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Last lag thing I saw on Kor's said that the Pro had better lag than the base PS4.
They definitely need to work on the default console rendering pipeline with an eye of minimizing input lag on the PS4 especially. UE4 is a fantastic tool for devs, but if you're making a game requiring fast reaction times like a fighting game it looks like atm you basically have to rewrite the default post-processing pipeline.
I think a beyond3D dev mentioned that UE4's lack of console optimization particularly to GCN means devs by default leave 20% performance on the table.
Yowch, that's pretty painful. UE4 is such a fantastic engine in terms of versatility, much like Unity, that it's a shame to see it running poorly on PS4. At least in general it seems to run better than Unity but there's definitely work to be done.
How big is Epic's engine team? They seem to be pretty good at pushing out new updates, but there's also a lot of features I see on their roadmap that end up being backlogged.
He is probably correct. UE4 tends to heavily favour Nvidia architectures.
Strafebogey
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Tekken 7 arcade had lag that some pro players talked about in some interview, but they probably thought it was due to the networked cabinets rather than game engine quirks.
That's kind of dissapointing to learn.
With all this alongside the trash-tier antialiasing, UE4 seems like a not-so-hot engine to me.
polyh3dron
Banned
Tekken 8 to be developed using Unity
BigEmil
Junior Member
Very interesting, I was thinking UE4 does not fully optimise to each specific console hardware much that's why you see UE4 games with more parity on games between each consoles like Snake Pass etc not 100% optimised to each hardware just optimising some hardware more than the other
Nintendo Switch uses Nvidia architecture.
So that's why UE4 engine is very well optimised on Switch compared to PS4/XB1 not as optimised to their strengths fully... Hmm
Now I really hope that DBFZ gets on the Switch (& MvCI, but I doubt that'll come to the Switch) so we can compare the input delay between the systems.
sixteen-bit
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I wonder how that knowledge will affect future fighting games' adoption of UE4
https://twitter.com/noodalls/status/882568216588963840
The patch shaves off 7 ms of input lag on the PS4. That's like 0.4 frames.
Even after the patch, Tekken 7 is still the fighting game with the worst amount of input delay out in the market today.
The patch shaves off 7 ms of input lag on the PS4. That's like 0.4 frames.
Even after the patch, Tekken 7 is still the fighting game with the worst amount of input delay out in the market today.
davidwhangchoi
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sounds like the undefeatable lag on my kuro 151FD
BigEmil
Junior Member
Yeah that would be interesting and also I expect Switch version overall to hold up much more
Lol well
Why, because of Nvidia's optimizations for UE4? I'd imagine that the game would run at 720p/60fps on the Switch if (maybe 900p, seeing as the PS3 is able to run GGXrd at 720p/60fps).
BigEmil
Junior Member
Maybe not just resolution i imagine the Ram constraints for that one but graphical settings/effects should be on par or very close though shouldn't be too hard with it just being a 2d fighter
That means DisplayLag's numbers aren't supposed to be trusted alone either. And for what it's worth, Noodalls is a lot more forthcoming about his process than DisplayLag is.