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My mother would be dead if it wasn't for Obamacare. She had cancer. And we live in a republican run state who said fuck the ACA and we were still able to get her health care. If people like McCain pass trump care my mom will never be able to get treatment again and she will die.

I don't want anyone to have cancer. Cancer is a horrible juggernaut that takes and takes and takes and leaves destruction and broken families in its aftermath.

But.

I want to feel sympathy for this man but I can't.

The actions of John McCain and his party have been grossly negligent in regards to the health of our country. They've shown no spine in regards to our president and they've put party over country, particularly with health care. Trump care would be a death sentence for people like my mom. Mccain has free health care but he wants people who are poor or sick not to have it because the rich need another tax cut. So how do I feel sympathy for a man in his position when he's incapable of showing that same sympathy to his fellow Americans?

I felt the same way when that republican got shot a few weeks ago. Sucks that it happened but at least he could get to a hospital and not worry about his injuries bankrupting him.

Republicans tend to only be for something when it has personally affected them. Cheney and his ilk were anti gay marriage until Cheney's kid came out. They hate access to healthcare until they need it. They seem completely incapable of empathy. I guess I'm getting there too, but it's because I can't have empathy or sympathy for people who want to fuck over their fellow man. I can't pretend to hope for the best when it comes to them because they wouldn't do it for me.
 
My mother would be dead if it wasn't for Obamacare. She had cancer. And we live in a republican run state who said fuck the ACA and we were still able to get her health care. If people like McCain pass trump care my mom will never be able to get treatment again and she will die.

I don't want anyone to have cancer. Cancer is a horrible juggernaut that takes and takes and takes and leaves destruction and broken families in its aftermath.

But.

I want to feel sympathy for this man but I can't.

The actions of John McCain and his party have been grossly negligent in regards to the health of our country. They've shown no spine in regards to our president and they've put party over country, particularly with health care. Trump care would be a death sentence for people like my mom. Mccain has free health care but he wants people who are poor or sick not to have it because the rich need another tax cut. So how do I feel sympathy for a man in his position when he's incapable of showing that same sympathy to his fellow Americans?

I felt the same way when that republican got shot a few weeks ago. Sucks that it happened but at least he could get to a hospital and not worry about his injuries bankrupting him.

Republicans tend to only be for something when it has personally affected them. Cheney and his ilk were anti gay marriage until Cheney's kid came out. They hate access to healthcare until they need it. They seem completely incapable of empathy. I guess I'm getting there too, but it's because I can't have empathy or sympathy for people who want to fuck over their fellow man. I can't pretend to hope for the best when it comes to them because they wouldn't do it for me.

I was going to refrain from posting anything in this thread because I feel exactly the same way as you. You put it way more eloquently than i could have.
 
One of my favorite McCain stories, from the 2000 campaign:

But two weekends ago, as he was campaigning across New Hampshire, a team of comics with a camera crew from the cable network Comedy Central clambered aboard his campaign bus to enlist him in their own little game of gotcha.

Who's your favorite poet? they asked McCain.

McCain hesitated, and then said, "Robert Service, I guess."

Okay, the comedians pressed as the cameras rolled, then recite some of his poetry.

After a bumpy push-off, by one witness's account, he ran through all 14 stanzas of "The Cremation of Sam McGee."

...

On the bus in New Hampshire, the crew from Comedy Central were apparently impressed with McCain's performance. As they were breaking down their camera equipment, McCain mentioned offhandedly how he had come to memorize "Sam McGee."

"The guy in the cell next to me," he said, "it was his favorite poem. He used to tap it to me on the wall, in Morse Code. That's how I memorized it."
 
My mother would be dead if it wasn't for Obamacare. She had cancer. And we live in a republican run state who said fuck the ACA and we were still able to get her health care. If people like McCain pass trump care my mom will never be able to get treatment again and she will die.

I don't want anyone to have cancer. Cancer is a horrible juggernaut that takes and takes and takes and leaves destruction and broken families in its aftermath.

But.

I want to feel sympathy for this man but I can't.

The actions of John McCain and his party have been grossly negligent in regards to the health of our country. They've shown no spine in regards to our president and they've put party over country, particularly with health care. Trump care would be a death sentence for people like my mom. Mccain has free health care but he wants people who are poor or sick not to have it because the rich need another tax cut. So how do I feel sympathy for a man in his position when he's incapable of showing that same sympathy to his fellow Americans?

I felt the same way when that republican got shot a few weeks ago. Sucks that it happened but at least he could get to a hospital and not worry about his injuries bankrupting him.

Republicans tend to only be for something when it has personally affected them. Cheney and his ilk were anti gay marriage until Cheney's kid came out. They hate access to healthcare until they need it. They seem completely incapable of empathy. I guess I'm getting there too, but it's because I can't have empathy or sympathy for people who want to fuck over their fellow man. I can't pretend to hope for the best when it comes to them because they wouldn't do it for me.

This is more or less how I feel about this news.
 
I expressed empathy for his situation earlier in the thread. Maybe because I come from a military family and respect those who serve, and I remember when he shut that stupid lady down during his campagin against Obama. He could have rolled with it there, and I respected him for that.

I'm am very much one of the millions that will suffer if heathcare is gutted. I have two autoimmune diseases that are difficult and expensive to treat, and require a lot of tests and hospital visits yearly.

I'm nieve and hope this changes him. But I won't say Fuck Him because...I can't stand to see people suffer like that. It's a failing. I fucking hate Trump, like, the man angers me like no other, but if I saw him get hit by a car I would render aid and hold his (tiny) hand while he died and tell him his daddy loved him.
(I would scrub said hand til it bled after wards, but point stands)
Because I'm a fucking wuss.
 
I've seen this sentiment posted numerous times. Do you lack empathy and compassion for every politician ever? What about their voters? I mean, you live in a democracy and the state of the country doesn't fall on one man or woman, it falls on everyone, past and present. There have been plenty of bills passed and decisions made by politicians on both sides of the aisle that many people in this thread would likely find reprehensible, so where does that leave us? Screw everyone else, "you do you"?

I wouldn't wish cancer on my worst enemy, so I hope the best for John McCain.

I didn't wish cancer on John McCain and me not feeling sympathetic towards him isn't a root cause. They are two totally unrelated things and treating it like they are not is really dishonest.

I usually go case by case on who I feel empathetic towards. Empathy isn't something that should be doled out for free, unlike proper healthcare. Usually for me to feel empathetic the person should exude empathetic qualities. Do all the voters who voted trump out of sheer malice who then got stung by his healthcare shit deserve my empathy? I mean they no doubt suffered because of it. No. I do however feel empathy for the people who are being victimised by this due to the ignorance of others.

McCain having cancer sucks because cancer is horrible. But its hard to feel sympathetic when he'll no doubt have access to the best healthcare and doctors that money can buy....unlike the millions who are being condemned to misery, illness and death by him and his ilk.
 
Someone posted this on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/887851744432205825

Reminder: When Sen McCain was running against Sen Obama he repeatedly defended his honor and shut down conspiracy theories. As it should be.

I remember this. However, didn't it come after the Secret Service warned his campaign that their rhetoric was increasing the number of death threats against Obama? And Palin continued regardless.

I feel bad for him and I hope he beats it. Not a fan of him, though, and I feel that a lot of the hatred that dogged Obama during his eight years started from his campaign.
 
I expressed empathy for his situation earlier in the thread. Maybe because I come from a military family and respect those who serve, and I remember when he shut that stupid lady down during his campagin against Obama. He could have rolled with it there, and I respected him for that.

I'm am very much one of the millions that will suffer if heathcare is gutted. I have two autoimmune diseases that are difficult and expensive to treat, and require a lot of tests and hospital visits yearly.

I'm nieve and hope this changes him. But I won't say Fuck Him because...I can't stand to see people suffer like that. It's a failing. I fucking hate Trump, like, the man angers me like no other, but if I saw him get hit by a car I would render aid and hold his (tiny) hand while he died and tell him his daddy loved him.
(I would scrub said hand til it bled after wards, but point stands)
Because I'm a fucking wuss.

That doesn't make you a wuss. It makes you decent. The world needs more people like you in it.
 
I don't understand what's wrong with wishing cancer on your worst enemy. I keep seeing that a lot in this thread.

Is your hypothetical worst enemy the guy behind the counter at the Chinese restaurant who only gives you two duck sauce packets? Or is it a person who actively works towards your destruction?
 
That doesn't make you a wuss. It makes you decent. The world needs more people like you in it.

I don't think it makes me in any way commendable. My kindness stops me from standing up for myself, and most see that as a weakness. I just can't stand suffering where I see it. Hell, I'd like to think that if I saw Hitler get hit by a car I'd laugh and point, but I don't know if I'd have the strength. I'd likely be right there, holding his hand, telling him his art was good lol

But hey, maybe that's all he needed to turn around. A brown woman telling him is art was good. Lulz. I am terrible :(
 
One of those killed my dad, they are not survivable pretty much ever. At his age he will have less that 6 months to live.

Horrible stuff and horrible luck.

The reporting is a bit weird 'all the tissue has been removed ' makes it sound like they sorted it. They haven't, when that process kicks off, your brain decides 'more cells here' and something harmless but large just continues to grow forever. There is no room in your skull so the growth eventually just pushes down on your brain stem and it's lights out. doctors refer to 'removal' as a 'debulking' and you can only open a person's head so many times and touch their brain so many times before the negatives outweigh the positives.
 
I don't think it makes me in any way commendable. My kindness stops me from standing up for myself, and most see that as a weakness. I just can't stand suffering where I see it. Hell, I'd like to think that if I saw Hitler get hit by a car I'd laugh and point, but I don't know if I'd have the strength. I'd likely be right there, holding his hand, telling him his art was good lol

But hey, maybe that's all he needed to turn around. A brown woman telling him is art was good. Lulz. I am terrible :(
You're a goddamn saint and hero. I can't even fathom having so much goodness in my heart.

If this cancer happened to Trump I would be rejoicing and not even apologizing for it.
 
You're a goddamn saint and hero. I can't even fathom having so much goodness in my heart.

If this cancer happened to Trump I would be rejoicing and not even apologizing for it.

I WANT to be a ball busting bitch though. :( All you other girl gaffers have so much more strength than me, and I envy it. I think my kindness it rooted in cowardice actually :(
 
You're a goddamn saint and hero. I can't even fathom having so much goodness in my heart.

If this cancer happened to Trump I would be rejoicing and not even apologizing for it.

I'm not sure how comforting a complete monster in their final moments could really be considered good, nor justice for that person's victims. Just the thought of it makes my blood boil.
 
Well, that sucks. My condolences. Maybe it'll give him more perspective on healthcare.

R/t_d lowkey celebrating. It was looking into an abyss.

Of course those idiots are. It's kinda pathetic how they don't realize that they need McCain well for their God King's legislative agenda to even have a chance of actually happening.
 
My mother would be dead if it wasn't for Obamacare. She had cancer. And we live in a republican run state who said fuck the ACA and we were still able to get her health care. If people like McCain pass trump care my mom will never be able to get treatment again and she will die.

I don't want anyone to have cancer. Cancer is a horrible juggernaut that takes and takes and takes and leaves destruction and broken families in its aftermath.

But.

I want to feel sympathy for this man but I can't.

The actions of John McCain and his party have been grossly negligent in regards to the health of our country. They've shown no spine in regards to our president and they've put party over country, particularly with health care. Trump care would be a death sentence for people like my mom. Mccain has free health care but he wants people who are poor or sick not to have it because the rich need another tax cut. So how do I feel sympathy for a man in his position when he's incapable of showing that same sympathy to his fellow Americans?

I felt the same way when that republican got shot a few weeks ago. Sucks that it happened but at least he could get to a hospital and not worry about his injuries bankrupting him.

Republicans tend to only be for something when it has personally affected them. Cheney and his ilk were anti gay marriage until Cheney's kid came out. They hate access to healthcare until they need it. They seem completely incapable of empathy. I guess I'm getting there too, but it's because I can't have empathy or sympathy for people who want to fuck over their fellow man. I can't pretend to hope for the best when it comes to them because they wouldn't do it for me.

I'm in a similar spot.

My mom has only acouple months left to live due to cancer spreading to her spine. This isn't her first bout with cancer, but this is one where the doctor has said she just won't be able to win.

The thing is, she atleast made it this far because of the medical coverage we have in Canada. She was atleast afforded afew more years with us, and to see her second grandchild born.

If we were in the States, McCain and his ilk having their way would have robbed me of my mother years ago. It would've left our family in debt, and crippled us. I have nothing but the deepest sympathies to the countless Americans who need Obamacare to afford their loved ones a second chance. So the notion that someone could, in good faith, rob people of this for no other reason than a tax cut to the people who need it the least?

I don't have to go so far as to wish McCain dead, or for the rest of his party to have to face similar hardships. But I can't for the life of me be asked to waste a shred of sympathy on a piece of shit like him.
 
I don't think it makes me in any way commendable. My kindness stops me from standing up for myself, and most see that as a weakness. I just can't stand suffering where I see it. Hell, I'd like to think that if I saw Hitler get hit by a car I'd laugh and point, but I don't know if I'd have the strength. I'd likely be right there, holding his hand, telling him his art was good lol

But hey, maybe that's all he needed to turn around. A brown woman telling him is art was good. Lulz. I am terrible :(

Well yes, that's where you have to draw a line. You can't let people push you around. My son has infinite empathy and decency inside of him. Your post made me think of him. I couldn't be more proud of the person he's growing up to be. I think if the whole world were like you two then it would be a perfect place to live.

And maybe you'd be right that you'd turn Hitler around. Kindness and decency are so beautiful. You can change the world.

Your posts were refreshing. No bravado. No bitterness. I hope you find peace with your wonderful traits.
 
I'm not sure how comforting a complete monster in their final moments could really be considered good, nor justice for that person's victims. Just the thought of it makes my blood boil.

I mean, I wouldn't do it, and I can't understand why anyone would do it. But it's not like it would make any difference to the victims or cause any real harm to anyone beyond not satisfying an understandable desire for vindication. Media's goodness doesn't come from cowardness, but empathy, which isn't something I can really fault her for having.
 
https://twitter.com/jessica_roy/status/887847253334872065

@jessica_roy
My friend's husband died of glioblastoma in AZ. They wrote a letter to McCain begging for his help. He advised them to move.

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The circlejerk triggered here by that tweet kind of escapes me. Maybe there are trials for experimental treatments in other states. Maybe there is more aid available in other states. I also doubt the letter just said "Move." in as callous a manner as possible as the tweet implies. And senators obviously can't personally respond to all correspondence. Could very well have been an aid or intern rather than McCain himself writing this alleged letter. Nevermind that it seems pretty irresponsible for a professional journalist using her verified account (afforded her due to her profession as a journalist) to stir the pot like this without producing the evidence.

I don't think it makes me in any way commendable. My kindness stops me from standing up for myself, and most see that as a weakness. I just can't stand suffering where I see it. Hell, I'd like to think that if I saw Hitler get hit by a car I'd laugh and point, but I don't know if I'd have the strength. I'd likely be right there, holding his hand, telling him his art was good lol

But hey, maybe that's all he needed to turn around. A brown woman telling him is art was good. Lulz. I am terrible :(

Nonsense. You can be kind, generous, decent, and empathetic without automatically being a spineless doormat coward. I mean maybe there's some overlap there, but the ability to gleefully kick someone while they're down isn't exactly a virtue you should strive for.

I hope none of the people doing that in this topic are doctors.
 
I'm not sure how comforting a complete monster in their final moments could really be considered good, nor justice for that person's victims. Just the thought of it makes my blood boil.

Maybe because I'm just a person that doesn't think anyone should have to suffer if it isn't necessary, regardless of how they treated other people. Their suffering isn't going to help anything. If you want to talk about a moment like that specifically, letting someone suffer in their final moments isn't going to do a damn bit a good to anyone they hurt beforehand. My capacity for empathy does not depend on the other person's capacity for empathy, and I don't see why it should.

Media, there is nothing wrong with empathy in the face of bitterness, and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise.
 
I mean, I wouldn't do it, and I can't understand why anyone would do it. But it's not like it would make any difference to the victims or cause any real harm to anyone beyond not satisfying an understandable desire for vindication. Media's goodness doesn't come from cowardness, but empathy, which isn't something I can really fault her for having.

But where's the empathy for the victims? Do you think the survivors would take comfort in knowing the their tormentor was able to quietly go on their way, or rather just add another layer of anguish to their situation? You don't have to celebrate, but to actively help someone who has hurt so many is also actively disrespecting said victims. Is making that person feel better at their end worth the added suffering to all the people still left behind?

Empathy is an enviable trait, but it absolutey can be misused and/or misplaced. Kindness has its place, but ignoring justice leads down its own dark path.
 
But where's the empathy for the victims? Do you think the survivors would take comfort in knowing the their tormentor was able to quietly go on their way, or rather just add another layer of anguish to their situation? You don't have to celebrate, but to actively help someone who has hurt so many is also actively disrespecting said victims. Is making that person feel better at their end worth the added suffering to all the people still left behind?

Empathy is an enviable trait, but it absolutey can be misused and/or misplaced. Kindness has its place, but ignoring justice leads down its own dark path.

Acting or not acting in a moment like that isn't going to do anything for the victims. The victims' lives won't get demonstrably better because their tormentor suffered in his last moments, unless they happen to be standing right there as the entire situation unfolds. And besides that, what you're talking about isn't justice, it's vengeance, and those aren't the same thing.
 
A quick death is what this man deserves. At least he won't have to suffer for long like all those people who are currently living with the same conditions without healthcare.

I can't bring myself to feel a lick of sympathy for this man.
 
Acting or not acting in a moment like that isn't going to do anything for the victims. The victims' lives won't get demonstrably better because their tormentor suffered in his last moments, unless they happen to be standing right there as the entire situation unfolds. And besides that, what you're talking about isn't justice, it's vengeance, and those aren't the same thing.

The victims life is already better because he is unable to pass the shit bill.
 
What's amazing is that, for all the hand-wringing on here about how disrespectful it is to be indifferent to this, the most jovial celebration of McCain's diagnosis appears to be coming from the far-right, who despise him way more than liberals who mock him for being spineless.
 
Acting or not acting in a moment like that isn't going to do anything for the victims. The victims' lives won't get demonstrably better because their tormentor suffered in his last moments, unless they happen to be standing right there as the entire situation unfolds. And besides that, what you're talking about isn't justice, it's vengeance, and those aren't the same thing.

Vengeance would be actively interfering to cause someone harm. Kicking an already dying man could be considered vengeance. Just allowing nature to take its course isn't enacting vengeance. Justice is in seeing someone pay in some way for their crimes in a proportional manner. Giving comfort to a dying man not only won't save his life, but rather ease their way out of it. Someone like Hitler denied millions of people that privilege, so it's justice that he too be denied it. Justice doesn't close wounds on its own, but it allows them to start healing. Deny justice and the wound festers. Doing something like conforting Hitler on his deathbed is a good way to delay the emotional healing of victims that have already suffered greatly. You're putting the immediate needs of a monster over the long- term challenges of anyone they hurt.
 
John Mccain is a garbage politician who never met a war he didn't like and wants to take away the health care of 30 million people while he gets free treatment at a top grade medical facility. He also keeps getting called a "maverick" against Trump while voting for all his cabinet and judicial nominations and only complains when the military isn't getting more money to drone strike civilians in the Middle East. In addition he helped bring Sarah Palin into the national spotlight which in part helped kick off the garbage tea party movement. Sucks for his family I guess but thats what happens when you try and fail to take out the Lion of Syria Bashar al-Assad

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What exactly has he voted on in opposition to Trump or his party?

I've seen Republicans like Susan Collins do it. What's the "maverick" done exactly?

Exactly. Even after calling the senate nuclear option stupid, he backtracked a week later and followed the party line.

Threats don't mean shit if you aren't going to follow through. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski at least have the balls to tell Mitch Mcconnell that you're an asshole for wanting to kill our constituency and you can get fucked until you actually try and fix health care in good faith.

Now that's actually doing something for your constituents. Not constantly going "ooohhh I don't like this..." but still allowing for the thing you don't like to happen time after time.
 
What's amazing is that, for all the hand-wringing on here about how disrespectful it is to be indifferent to this, the most jovial celebration of McCain's diagnosis appears to be coming from the far-right, who despise him way more than liberals who mock him for being spineless.

How can that be when it has already been said in this thread that what's happening in here is worse than even what would happen on far right boards?

It's amusing because considering what Republicans do to the poor and minorities the responses in here are quite tame. If Obama or Clinton had cancer there would be literal joy in places, and why? Because emails or taxes? What did the Democrats do to them? Maybe make them pay a little more tax?
 
Exactly. Even with the nuclear option that he called stupid, he backtracked a week later and followed the party line.

Threats don't mean shit if you aren't going to follow through. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski at least have the balls to tell Mitch Mcconnell that you're an asshole for wanting to kill our constituency and you can get fucked until you actually try and fix health care in good faith.

Now that's actually doing something for your constituents. Not constantly going "ooohhh I don't like this..." but still allowing for the thing you don't like to happen time after time.

Lisa Murkowski has voted in favor of more Trump positions than McCain.
 
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