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McCain is such an attention whore

He is. People give him too much credit.

 

[Shauni]

It's obviously a secret vote to move forward with impeachment, well in fantasy land at least.

It'd be the greatest spectacle and heel turn of the century at least.

Wouldn't that be a face turn?

 

[Generalpsyduck]

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Can i honestly say GOP are literally murderers? Setting 22 million without healthcare? People will die and blood will be on there hands. Every terrorist organizations in the world are also terrible but GOP is beyond that. They don't give a fuck about you..the poor,the sick, the elderly.

It is that simple, they basically say fuck you and just die.

What the hell kind of post is this? The GOP is beyond terrorist organizations? Have you lost your mind?

 

[Iksenpets]

The greatest tragedy of McCain's life is that he keeps surviving, only to use the extra time to squander whatever honor he had built up over a lifetime in his twilight years

 

[Palette Swap]

What the hell kind of post is this? The GOP is beyond terrorist organizations? Have you lost your mind?

From an actuarial standpoint, there's probably an argument to be made that the GOP has done more to lower American life expectancy than ISIS or Al Qaeda ever will.

 

[AstroNut325]

He's dying, but he still needs to fuck over some more people before be goes!

 

[Captin Quacker]

I can't tell if you're trolling here or if you think me pointing out a fact that we don't know anything about the bill that this motion will lead to is any of these things you keep saying?

like I said you want to play the wait and see game knock yourself out

hey you do you friend

 

[JettDash]

What the hell kind of post is this? The GOP is beyond terrorist organizations? Have you lost your mind?

The GOP is are much, much greater danger to the American people than any terrorist organization could ever hope to be. No hyperbole.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

From an actuarial standpoint, there's probably an argument to be made that the GOP has done more to lower American life expectancy than ISIS or Al Qaeda ever will.

I'd love to see these numbers backed up. You make it sound as though these 20 million will drop dead the very next day.

The GOP is are much, much greater danger to the American people than any terrorist organization could ever hope to be. No hyperbole.

Well, since you said no hyperbole I guess you're right.

 

[hammysaurusrex]

McCain will always be a fascination of mine. A man who shaped a big part of his political career as being a maverick that was willing to craft his own stance and not be beholden to party... will spend the last days of his political career cupping Trump's balls and being at the beck and call of his master McConnell.

I think I have just enough respect for him as to be capable of pity.

 

[IrishNinja]

Well lets see which way he votes.

Would be amazing to come back and vote for sanctions and against the healthcare but we all know what he'll actually do.

this, the man cemented his legacy long ago - he might puff his chest up but no way he does the right thing here

 

[metalslimer]

What the hell kind of post is this? The GOP is beyond terrorist organizations? Have you lost your mind?

In terms of actual tangible effects it's pretty easy to say they have done far more damage to Americans.

 

[hateradio]

Would be a great moment if he says he can't vote for it, because of how important having healthcare is. 😂

I know it's not going to happen.

 

[Shauni]

like I said you play the wait and see game knock yourself out

hey you do you friend

So, trolling then. Okay, go find Guteks and go somewhere else, this isn't the time for silly shit like that.

 

[Psychoward]

What the hell kind of post is this? The GOP is beyond terrorist organizations? Have you lost your mind?

In terms of global scale or end game/methodd absolutely not. But they do have a point that currently the GOP is at risk of endangering a hell of a lot more Americans than ISIS.

 

[JettDash]

I'd love to see these numbers back up. You make it sound as though these 20 million will drop dead the very next day.

Tens of thousands of people will die as a result if this passess. Every year.


Republicans are evil.

Well, since you said no hyperbole I guess you're right.

I'm right because if this bill passes many more Americans will die than gave ever died due to terrorism. Each year.

 

[Shauni]

McCain will always be a fascination of mine. A man who shaped a big part of his political career as being a maverick that was willing to craft his own stance and not be beholden to party... will spend the last days of his political career cupping Trump's balls and being at the beck and call of his master McConnell.

I think I have just enough respect for him as to be capable of pity.

McCain as a Maverick is mostly a myth. He's voted with his party the vast majority of his career.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

In terms of actual tangible effects it's pretty easy to say they have done far more damage to Americans.

By your logic, the guy who shot that Republican baseball practice had no choice but to do what he did. What's a few lives compared to the apparent millions that will be "murdered by the GOP" after all? Is that a road you really want to go down? Because it's pretty damn alarming thinking/language.

I'm right because if this bill passes many more Americans will die than gave ever died due to terrorism. Each year.

All the CBO has said is that 20 million people who would have otherwise enrolled in a plan will not do so due to a lack of the individual mandate. I have personally not seen any kind of analysis which shows the number of increased deaths that would result. To just state these kinds of things without properly sourcing your information is just spreading FUD.

 

[JettDash]

By your logic, the guy who shot that Republican baseball practice had no choice but to do what he did. What's a few lives compared to the apparent millions that will be "murdered by the GOP" after all? Is that a road you really want to go down because it's pretty damn alarming thinking/language.

That guy could have killed every Republican in Congress and still have less blood on his hands than they will if they pass this bill.

 

[subrock]

32 million..think about it. They think it is OK to put 32 million people without healthcare..it is disgusting.

It would be like deleting the health insurance of every man, woman and child in Canada

 

[Muppet of a Man]

He's dying, but he still needs to fuck over some more people before be goes!

Thanks baby boomer / silent generation fuckers! I hope you all rot, you fucking cunts.

 

[danthefan]

This fucking thing is going to pass isn't it.

 

[JettDash]

I almost wish there was a hell just so Republican politicians could go there. And yes, I really do think that most of them deserve it.

 

[Imperfected]

By your logic, the guy who shot that Republican baseball practice had no choice but to do what he did. What's a few lives compared to the apparent millions that will be "murdered by the GOP" after all? Is that a road you really want to go down? Because it's pretty damn alarming thinking/language.

There are going to be way, way more guys like that created if they pass this bill. Every man whose wife dies because he can't afford to keep her in treatment, every mother who loses a child to preventable disease, every person who's terminal and won't be able to get life-saving treatment becomes a potential stand-alone dissident with a chip on their shoulder and nothing left to lose.

And the GOP wants to do this at a time when the apparatus that normally categorizes and tracks these sorts of outliers is being undermined at every level by partisan in-fighting and administrative neglect.

That's not cursing their name or a solicitation of political violence, that's just me with my background in COIN looking at this scenario and saying, "Man, if you really want to create an entire generation of domestic terrorists, you've certainly assembled all the necessary elements."

 

[Psychoward]

Talking about republican indirect death counts, how about that climate change

 

[Suikoguy]

I will laugh if this still doesn't pass and McCain risked his health for nothing.

It will be poetic as fuck if he dies on the way there.
Doubly so if it still does not pass and he dies on the way back.

But, maybe just maybe, he will have a realization that he has little time left, and will do the right thing and push for a bill that improves things rather than pushing tens of millions off medical care.

Spoiler

lol, like that will happen

Spoiler

please

 

[JettDash]

By


All the CBO has said is that 20 million people who would have otherwise enrolled in a plan will not do so due to a lack of the individual mandate. I have personally not seen any kind of analysis which shows the number of increased deaths that would result. To just state these kinds of things without properly sourcing your information is just spreading FUD.

You have no fucking idea what the fuck you're talking about. There aren't even 20 million people on the Obamacare exchanges.

And the Republicans want to do far more than get rid of individual mandate. They also want to cut subsidies. And do huge cuts to Medicaid.

Many people will die as a result if this passes. An irrefutable fact.

 

[Captin Quacker]

Talking about republican indirect death counts, how about that climate change

or NYC bathrooms

 

[Jay Shadow]

A man who shaped a big part of his political career as being a maverick that was willing to craft his own stance and not be beholden to party..

He's never actually done that. He just says he's not towing the party line and then when it's time to vote he votes the party line anyways.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

The threat of terrorism and death is very small.

http://www.businessinsider.com/death-risk-statistics-terrorism-disease-accidents-2017-1

 

[Palette Swap]

I'd love to see these numbers backed up. You make it sound as though these 20 million will drop dead the very next day.

I'm just saying that intuitively it's not far fetched to think that the GOP's political action is / will be responsible for more than 200 deaths a year in the US, simply because of the order of magnitude.

 

[mozfan12]

Come on, why the fuck do you think he is traveling for? They need the votes and he will vote the cowards way.

What a disgusting little human being you have to be McCain. I have no sympathy for a person who will place a ballot for 20+ million people to lose health care. He has always FUCKING voted the Party Line!!!!!!! I expect no surprises tomorrow.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

You have no fucking idea what the fuck you're talking about. There aren't even 20 million people on the Obamacare exchanges.

And the Republicans want to do far more than get rid of individual mandate. They also want to cut subsidies. And do huge cuts to Medicaid.

Many people will die as a result if this passes. An irrefutable fact.

You're asking me to take your words, a random anonymous person on the internet, that untold numbers of people will die every year because of this without providing me with an impartial analysis which explain why and how. You're telling me to suspend all objectivity and critical thinking and to just take your word for it. Does this seem reasonable?

For my part, I've looked into it and I have yet to see any kind of yearly deaths analysis. This is not to say anything one way or another, just that I can't find numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameri...imated_impact_of_the_Republican_AHCA_and_BCRA

 

[Suikoguy]

You're asking me to take your words, a random anonymous person on the internet, that untold numbers of people will die every year because of this without providing me with an impartial analysis which explain why and how. You're telling me to suspend all objectivity and critical thinking and to just take your word for it. Does this seem reasonable?

For my part, I've looked into it and I have yet to see any kind of yearly deaths analysis. This is not to say anything one way or another, just that I can't find numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameri...imated_impact_of_the_Republican_AHCA_and_BCRA

Some people will die as a direct result of this bill.
Why you are arguing against that, I have no fucking clue...

 

[Forgotten_Taco]

By your logic, the guy who shot that Republican baseball practice had no choice but to do what he did. What's a few lives compared to the apparent millions that will be "murdered by the GOP" after all? Is that a road you really want to go down? Because it's pretty damn alarming thinking/language.



All the CBO has said is that 20 million people who would have otherwise enrolled in a plan will not do so due to a lack of the individual mandate. I have personally not seen any kind of analysis which shows the number of increased deaths that would result. To just state these kinds of things without properly sourcing your information is just spreading FUD.

Your ignorance is showing.

 

[JettDash]

You're asking me to take your words, a random anonymous person on the internet, that untold numbers of people will die every year because of this without providing me with an impartial analysis which explain why and how. You're telling me to suspend all objectivity and critical thinking and to just take your word for it. Does this seem reasonable?

For my part, I've looked into it and I have yet to see any kind of yearly deaths analysis. This is not to say anything one way or another, just that I can't find numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameri...imated_impact_of_the_Republican_AHCA_and_BCRA

They will die because the Republicans want to cut money that would have saved their lives and give it to rich people. It isn't complicated.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-repeal-deaths-20170623-htmlstory.html

 

[hammysaurusrex]

He's never actually done that. He just says he's not towing the party line and then when it's time to vote he votes the party line anyways.

Yup.

I mean, there was a definitely a marked changed after his 2008 loss, in which became demonstrably more conservative. But looking back on things - his political personality has always been more clever marketing as opposed to actual independence.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Some people will die as a direct result of this bill.
Why you are arguing against that, I have no fucking clue...

I suggest you read this article and see how difficult it is to come to these kinds of conclusions.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/deaths-health-care-bill/

Your ignorance is showing.

You should read it too.

 

[Suikoguy]

I suggest you read this article and see how difficult it is to come to these kinds of conclusions.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/deaths-health-care-bill/

Nothing in that link disputes my statement that:

"Some people will die".

The question is how many, and that's really tough to figure out. But I will guarantee you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it will be > 0.

 

[JettDash]

I suggest you read this article and see how difficult it is to come to these kinds of conclusions.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/deaths-health-care-bill/

People will die. Just because the exact number is hard to know doesn't mean you should put your head in the sand.

What do you think will happen to someone who gets cancer if he has no insurance?

 

[RDreamer]

All the CBO has said is that 20 million people who would have otherwise enrolled in a plan will not do so due to a lack of the individual mandate. I have personally not seen any kind of analysis which shows the number of increased deaths that would result. To just state these kinds of things without properly sourcing your information is just spreading FUD.

Will losing health insurance mean more US deaths? Experts say yes

Health Insurance and Death Rates

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage

Lack of insurance is tied to higher death rates, new study shows

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Nothing in that link disputes my statement that:

"Some people will die".

The question is how many, and that's really tough to figure out. But I will guarantee you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it will be > 0.

Actually, many things dispute it just based on the incredible difficulty associated with properly assigning causality.

 

[Suikoguy]

People will die. Just because the exact number is hard to know doesn't mean you should put your head in the sand.

What do you think will happen to someone who gets a treatable cancer if he has no insurance?

The Republican Health Insurance Plan, aka GoFundMe.

I don't know what my mom would do with MS if she did not qualify for Medicare.

Actually, many things dispute it just based on the incredible difficulty associated with properly assigning causality.

What are you rambling on about now?
People will die as a result of any of the current GOP healthcare bills.
That's a fucking fact, what's unknown is how many.

Why you don't get this, I don't know.

 

[Imperfected]

Considering that the most common causes of death in America are preventable, and preventative medicine like cancer screenings are something covered by insurance, it's not really as difficult to put two-and-two together even for the seemingly "well" individuals who are being cut, much less those who actually have serious medical conditions.

 

[JettDash]

Actually, many things dispute it just based on the incredible difficulty associated with properly assigning causality.

The only people who dispute it are lying scum Republicans. You can't cuts hundreds of billions of dollars in heathcare spending without it having a negative effect on people's health to the point of some of them dying.

 

[mernst23]

Actually, many things dispute it just based on the incredible difficulty associated with properly assigning causality.

Even accepting your premise, uninsured people who need life saving operations will incur enough debt to ruin their entire lives so I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[Forgotten_Taco]

Actually, many things dispute it just based on the incredible difficulty associated with properly assigning causality.

Many things? Cite your sources. You've already shown you didn't read or understand the CBO score, I'm curious what else you're clueless about.

 

[And_Gignac]

You're asking me to take your words, a random anonymous person on the internet, that untold numbers of people will die every year because of this without providing me with an impartial analysis which explain why and how. You're telling me to suspend all objectivity and critical thinking and to just take your word for it. Does this seem reasonable?

For my part, I've looked into it and I have yet to see any kind of yearly deaths analysis. This is not to say anything one way or another, just that I can't find numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameri...imated_impact_of_the_Republican_AHCA_and_BCRA

When you are so centrist that you start defending the GOP.

The fish hook theory is real.

 

[NullPointer]

All the CBO has said is that 20 million people who would have otherwise enrolled in a plan will not do so due to a lack of the individual mandate. I have personally not seen any kind of analysis which shows the number of increased deaths that would result. To just state these kinds of things without properly sourcing your information is just spreading FUD.

[url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jun/27/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-projection-thousands-added-deaths-g/[/URL]