Nah there's a huge cultural gulf between live-action American shows (and even American cartoons) and anime.
What is the deal with awful people online and anime avatars?
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Nah there's a huge cultural gulf between live-action American shows (and even American cartoons) and anime.
Kite
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chrisPjelly
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It is? I've watch plenty of cartoons with my little nephews and they got tons of tropes that animes usually do. I can't speak for live action shows though, since i've hardly watch them.
FloweryMarston
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what about people with no avatars
American cartoons generally don't include stuff like this (NSFL warning) or that or this, too. And that's just off the top of my head and doesn't include things like "fanservice" moments in otherwise tame shows because it's the norm, and when I say "fanservice" note that I'm usually talking about very visibly and obviously underaged girls.
That's not to say that American stuff is free of this shit, but this stuff is ubiquitous in the anime industry. It's on a completely different scale. To the point where it's extremely difficult to avoid it if you like to watch a lot of different genres.
CommandThrower
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You never know what they're thinking...the monsters.
If that spirit goes not forth in life, it is condemned to do so after death. It is doomed to wander through the world -- oh, woe is me! -- and witness what it cannot share, but might have shared on earth, and turned to happiness!'
--Marley's ghost condemning people with no avatars, Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol
I was talking about general tropes. Usually when people compare cartoons and anime they tend to pick examples that fit their arguments, or the most famous ones, but, again, when you see other stuff out there, you see that the tropes are Very much the same in lots of stuff in both kinds of animation.
Sexual fanservice, on the other hand, is not. That one is more akin to anime and i don't remember any Cartoon these days fearuring It, but this os not the only trope out there.
Also, ubiquitous is a much powerful word for something like that. Lots of anime feature little If none of it. I agree that there is a lot with it though.
Overwatch is skewed to that anime fan type audience.
firehawk12
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Assholes like things just like normal people.
There are racists who like Star Trek.
There are racists who like Uncharted.
There are racists who like The Avengers.
There are racists who like your favourite sports team.
It's just that it's easier to identify an anime fan.
There are racists who like Star Trek.
There are racists who like Uncharted.
There are racists who like The Avengers.
There are racists who like your favourite sports team.
It's just that it's easier to identify an anime fan.
Cartoons maybe, but your middle option is from a superhero themed manga. You can find far worse in pretty much any american superhero comic if we're talking about depictions of women.
starry sonata
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Ditto!
psychowave
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Man why can't anime fans just admit that their community is a dumpster fire. I enjoy anime but I also realize that most of it is horrendous. Decent anime fans need to take the fucking trash out of their community. And if your response to people voicing their concerns about the sexualization of pre-pubescent girls in anime, which is horrifyingly and increasingly common, is to ignore it/make some snarky comment about video game avatars then you're part of the fucking problem.
Cow Mengde
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Uncharted is basically a white guy killing people in other countries.
Yeah, but he gets his ass kicked by a black woman in 4.
firehawk12
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AnimeGAF polices itself pretty well. I don't know where else anime kids hang out these days.
But what about the football fans that throw bananas at players?
Fulminator
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TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Next time there's a Nazi gathering the counterprotestors need to bring real torches to show the tiki torch crowd what sad cucks they are.
I just want to enjoy dragon Ball in peace
They're all GT fans, don't listen to them
God I want all the priapus merch so badly lmfao
Aye, football fans are indeed the worst. Both kinds of football.
Leafhopper
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An original work by someone.
iRAWRasaurus
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anime is trash and so am I.
I swear I have to say the following to at least one misguided person a year, ffs.
A: Using anime avatars is a known troll defense to deflect hatred away from them and to smear a whole community in the same stone throw. Same goes for their use of gamer avatars.
B: Using anime face avatars can fool weak photo recognition defenses on platforms that implement it for account creation.
C: For shits and giggles, let's say there are 100 million anime and video game fans online in the world. If just 1% of them are assholes that come from the southern USA and deep eastern Europe, that's still a million people, a vocal minority born from hate.
D: There are a lot of assholes in the world. Think of them as assholes who happen to be also anime fans, assholes who happen to be also gamers, and assholes who happen to be also *insert any topic here*.
A: Using anime avatars is a known troll defense to deflect hatred away from them and to smear a whole community in the same stone throw. Same goes for their use of gamer avatars.
B: Using anime face avatars can fool weak photo recognition defenses on platforms that implement it for account creation.
C: For shits and giggles, let's say there are 100 million anime and video game fans online in the world. If just 1% of them are assholes that come from the southern USA and deep eastern Europe, that's still a million people, a vocal minority born from hate.
D: There are a lot of assholes in the world. Think of them as assholes who happen to be also anime fans, assholes who happen to be also gamers, and assholes who happen to be also *insert any topic here*.
psychowave
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see this is what I'm fucking talking about. Treating the sexualization of little girls as a joke instead of acknowledging the fucking problem.
texhnolyze
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I'm a video games, anime, AND football fan. It's triple the worst lol.
IdreamofHIME
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Cosmo Clock 21
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psychowave
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It's because I'm a woman who was sexually assaulted when I was 13. Thanks for whatever you were trying to imply tho
IrishNinja
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poor misunderstood majima-dono
i don't get it, either: as a fan of comics, video games, hip hop, boxing etc i can fully own that these respective bases are so, so much garbage, whether i like it or not
it's like bitching years ago that sonic fans shouldn't be associated so much with furries & actual weird shit: that ship kinda sailed
you're not wrong here, though. god, the gaming side icecream threads (or any vita loli game) brought in those avatars by the droves
but
well shit now i want that dumb shirt
NESpowerhouse
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
Agreed. Furries in general are trash.
But that's mostly because I have an irrational fear towards people in animal costumes. I get physically uneasy. I have no clue what they're scheming.
you never know but you can be pretty sure it will smell bad
Messofanego
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So is anime. What other medium is this chock full of underage sexualisation?
If I look at TVtroopes it's really not that different excluding ecchi or fanservice in almost half of them (welp and there are the corresponding women fanservice moments in many shows or even for Men with women undressing)
Games too
It's a big problems, but as long as NEETs and nerds buy that moe stuff and loli merchandise from series ala Illya then it wont change sadly. Japanese producers dont care what we think about that as long as people buy the stuff sadly.
Most of the anime that features stuff like that is an adaption of a light novel, manga, game, or something or other. Most anime in general these days is a commercial for its source material; from looking at the chart for this season there's like 5-6 original shows out of the nearly 40 that are airing in total and even some of these are cross-media projects that have mobile games attached to them.
Have you...
Have you ever watched western cartoons?
Not a "this is my impression of western cartoons", but I mean have you really honest-to-fuck watched western cartoons, because this exact same sort of shit happens there too.
Okay, maybe I'd be hard-pressed to find a genderbent past-figure, but the other two can be matched easily just by picking a couple of decade-old shows from cartoon network.
Chie Satonaka
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His 2nd paragraph covers this.
The ratio of people who get banned with no avatar compared to the rest of the forum feels be pretty high.
And I argue he simply hasn't watched many cartoons if that's his impression.
I'm sure there's plenty of well adjusted anime fans out there, but half the reason of why I just stopped watching that shit altogether was because it was wrecking my psyche. It was just unhealthy for me to watch it, it was starting to fill my head with some fucked up shit that I really didn't want to be thinking.
That, and 99% of the medium is filled with garbage. Other forms of media are pretty dire as well, but I've never seen a different medium that's so filled with gross shit and unsavory philosophies behind them. And they're really boring too
That, and 99% of the medium is filled with garbage. Other forms of media are pretty dire as well, but I've never seen a different medium that's so filled with gross shit and unsavory philosophies behind them. And they're really boring too
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