Jimquistion: Nintendo's SNES Classic Preorder Nonsense

I don't understand the extreme reactions, Jim's included. Apparently a sold out preorder gives people reasons to hate a whole brand forever, and wish them failure.

This is so absurd. If you care about the product, why would you spit on it if you can't have a preorder on ? If you don't why would you even comment ? I know people are unfiltered on the Internet, but this is so silly to witness.

Am I the only person that wants to see this company go under?

And it's not just the SNES Classic. It's how they respond to their customer base. Fuck that company.

Case in point.
 
How does not having enough SNES/NES minis make someone want to buy a Switch though? Especially when the virtual console doesn't exist for it yet?

You remember you liked Zelda back in the 80s, that cool fantasy action open-world game, because you hear about this NES Classic Edition thing from a friend. Or maybe you play it at a friend's house. Or maybe you just see it on YouTube. How you get exposed isn't important.

You see that Nintendo just released a big new Zelda game. Oh, hey, it's an action open-world game! You remember being put off Zelda a while back because it started to become more of a puzzle game and less of an open world adventure. You check it out. Hey, that Nintendo Switch console seems pretty sexy. I think I could see myself using one of these.

At least, that's the thought process Nintendo's hoping people will go through. Seemed to work for Pokemon and 3DS with Pokemon Go last year. Pokemon Go made tons of money, despite the game being borderline unplayable for much of its early weeks, but the lasting effects were that it increased brand awareness for Pokemon in a huge way.
 
Am I the only person that wants to see this company go under?

And it's not just the SNES Classic. It's how they respond to their customer base. Fuck that company.
 
I don't understand the extreme reactions, Jim's included. Apparently a sold out preorder gives people reasons to hate a whole brand forever, and wish them failure.

This is so absurd. If you care about the product, why would you spit on it if you can't have a preorder on ? If you don't why would you even comment ? I know people are unfiltered on the Internet, but this is so silly to witness.

Because people can't walk into a store and buy one. There are loops to jump through, like following Twitter feeds or paying incredibly marked up scalping prices.

The pre-orders went up in the middle of the night and were gone almost instantly.
 
Case in point.

So when a company hears their fans and loyal customers saying "we want you to produce more of these, or sell them in a more fair way" only to have the company say, "naw". You're saying people aren't allowed to be upset?

Thank you thought police.
 
Because people can't walk into a store and buy one. There are loops to jump through, like following Twitter feeds or paying incredibly marked up scalping prices.

The pre-orders went up in the middle of the night and were gone almost instantly.

And I still don't see why that warrants those reactions. Scalpers aren't exclusive to Nintendo. The preorder window time does suck but we're still a month from release. It's not the first product to be sold out day one. But I rarely see this kind of reactions for it.

So when a company hears their fans and loyal customers saying "we want you to produce more of these, or sell them in a more fair way" only to have the company say, "naw". You're saying people aren't allowed to be upset?

Thank you thought police.

They didn't say "naw" on the SNES classic, and obviously I hope it doens't go the NES classic way. And yes you can be upset, but there's a difference between "I 'm upset I didn't get a preorder" and "Fuck Nintendo, I wish this company goes under". That's the extreme reaction I don't understand.
 
And I still don't see why that warrants those reactions. Scalpers aren't exclusive to Nintendo. The preorder window time does suck but we're still a month from release. It's not the first product to be sold out day one. But I rarely see this kind of reactions for it.

So then why can't Nintendo just put up pre-orders on their website months in advance to know how to allocate supply?
 
And I still don't see why that warrants those reactions. Scalpers aren't exclusive to Nintendo. The preorder window time does suck but we're still a month from release. It's not the first product to be sold out day one. But I rarely see this kind of reactions for it.

People are over reacting with the hate but Nintendo never satisfied demand with the NES classic and if history repeats itself, for a large chunk of people, it's a wanted item they will never have for no real reason.

Scalpers are not a Nintendo specific problem but for most other retail products time fixes things. For the last one it did not and they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt this time.
 
They didn't say "naw" on the SNES classic, and obviously I hope it doens't go the NES classic way. And yes you can be upset, but there's a difference between "I 'm upset I didn't get a preorder" and "Fuck Nintendo, I wish this company goes under". That's the extreme reaction I don't understand.

You're right that they didn't say "naw". But their reaction to the NES Classic was akin to saying "naw". Fixed.

And I don't think that is a strange reaction. If a company has poor business practices. They don't deserve to be in business. Hence they deserve poor sales. I don't think that's an extreme reaction at all.

An extreme reaction would be threatening them and holding protests. That would be "extreme".

Can you tell me what legitimate reason they have for not making the process more friendly for consumers?
 
So when a company hears their fans and loyal customers saying "we want you to produce more of these, or sell them in a more fair way" only to have the company say, "naw". You're saying people aren't allowed to be upset?

Thank you thought police.

Companies are not your friends. Nintendo is not your friend. Nintendo has calculated that X amount of SNES mini makes sense for them to produce, that's the amount they're going to produce.

And again, Nintendo can't sell you the SNES mini in a "fair way", unless it completely cuts out retailers (which makes little sense). This made-to-order scheme some people are drawing in here is nice on paper but would be highly uncharacteristic for this business. Do you see Microsoft doing that for Xbox One X Scorpio Editions? No. They calculate what they believe makes sense for them and move on. The SNES mini isn't a console anyway. It's just a fun little item they want to sell to get attention.

You're allowed to be as upset as you want.
 
Its always the fans who suffer with Nintendo's idiotic supply chain shenanigans.

After stressing myself out back to back over not getting a SNES Classic or the 2pack Metroid amiibo, I came to the conclusion that after I get my cheap Mario Odyssey preorder, Im done with Nintendo.

These amiibo, limited editions and classic hardware are supposed to be for the fans yet its the fans who stress most trying to get one. So Im out, I can't put up with this shit anymore.

I wanted to support Nintendo but they make it so hard. I'll just use that money I save on more PS4/PC games.

Totally. I left the fold last year. After 25 years of being loyal to them. Buy everything used if you have to or like you noted loss leader software only (odyssey). Theres so much good stuff on PS4 and PC and they (Sony and Steam) go out of their way to ensure supply, and, regular price drops later. Nobody is perfect but anyone with a pro consumer mindset should be rewarded.
 
Am I the only person that wants to see this company go under?

And it's not just the SNES Classic. It's how they respond to their customer base. Fuck that company.
I don't want them to go under but they can improve in a lot of ways and fulfilling the demand of special editions is one thing.

@topic: #teamartificialscarcity ;)
 
But they said they had changed after NES classic :( Some of us unfortunately knew better


Yes, sadly this times it's worse.....and the price increase come holiday will only be worse. This is the ONLY device you can legally own star fox 2 with

They should have fucking known the demand was going to be there
 
This guy here says that he "knows a guy at Nintendo", and there will be plenty in-store beyond the pre-orders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2LyPmXCNw0

Huge grain of fuckin' salt as far as I'm concerned.

But if true, it would be a nice kick in the dick to the scalpers, along with the people paying scalper prices.

I'm with you on that. This is the company that created store exclusive Amiibos and then only shipped 1-2 of them per store.

One of the other threads had a post say their Gamestop was only scheduled to get 4-6 of them. But Nintendo gonna Nintendo. God, why did the main line SMT games have to switch back over, I thought 3 did well on the PS2.
 
They didn't say "naw" on the SNES classic, and obviously I hope it doens't go the NES classic way. And yes you can be upset, but there's a difference between "I 'm upset I didn't get a preorder" and "Fuck Nintendo, I wish this company goes under". That's the extreme reaction I don't understand.

NES Classic was a shitshow. Plenty of people got upset. Plenty of people pointed out Nintendo's long history of pulling this kind of bullshit, and said that they did it on purpose. Other people said no, that's a conspiracy theory. Nintendo loves you and wants your money, and they would never fuck with their own customers for some unclear marketing purpose. Nintendo themselves said that they learned from the NES Classic shitshow, and that (setting aside their odd refusal to fix the NES Classic shitshow) the SNES Classic was not going to be a shitshow.

The SNES Classic is another shitshow, exactly like the NES Classic. Nintendo does this shit on purpose. They do it all the damn time. Fuck Nintendo. There's a reason why the industry keeps running them over with their car every time Nintendo crosses the street. This company doesn't deserve a fraction of the undying love it's fanboys seem to keep giving it.
 
I don't understand the extreme reactions, Jim's included. Apparently a sold out preorder gives people reasons to hate a whole brand forever, and wish them failure.

This is so absurd. If you care about the product, why would you spit on it if you can't have a preorder on ? If you don't why would you even comment ? I know people are unfiltered on the Internet, but this is so silly to witness.

A sold out pre-order is one thing. You know they will have done everything possible to make it available and demand just overtook supply. It happens.

This is the difference though. Good companies. Companies that want to sell their products to consumers. Comapanies that aren't clinging onto nostalgia and throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Will make those products available as soon as possible. They'll try to restock and restock often. Nintendo? The SNES Classic could sell out and NEVER be available again because Nintendo hasn't a clue what it's actually trying to do with them.

So, yes, people have a right to be a bit annoyed that Nintendo can't get a product and keep it in stock.
 
Didn't know Nintendo was in charge of when stores put up their pre-orders. Learn something new everyday.

Am I the only person that wants to see this company go under?

And it's not just the SNES Classic. It's how they respond to their customer base. Fuck that company.

No, I, too, also have a list of thousands of people I want to be out of a job.
 
"I really fucking want this product. What I can't get it? Man I hope the company that makes this product goes under."

Shit's wild in these streets.
 
I don't understand the extreme reactions, Jim's included. Apparently a sold out preorder gives people reasons to hate a whole brand forever, and wish them failure.

This is so absurd. If you care about the product, why would you spit on it if you can't have a preorder on ? If you don't why would you even comment ? I know people are unfiltered on the Internet, but this is so silly to witness.



Case in point.

I'm with you.

Nintendo is dumb when it comes to this stuff but wishing for their demise? Come on.

Remember when you couldn't get a Tickle Me Elmo in 1998 so you banned Sesame Street from your household?
 
After stressing myself out back to back over not getting a SNES Classic or the 2pack Metroid amiibo, I came to the conclusion that after I get my cheap Mario Odyssey preorder, Im done with Nintendo.

I can't avoid laughing at those "after X I'm done with <insert company>" claims.
 
Even after pre-ordering a bundle i still feel like i lost in the end cause im still paying considerably more than i should.

Jim is right, theres only two answers to any stock issue regarding Nintendo.

Incompetence or artificial scarcity. I know someone is gonna bring up the Switch and how samsung/apple are an issue holding back Switch production. Is that not also incompetence on Nintendo's behalf?
 
Totally. I left the fold last year. After 25 years of being loyal to them. Buy everything used if you have to or like you noted loss leader software only (odyssey). Theres so much good stuff on PS4 and PC and they (Sony and Steam) go out of their way to ensure supply, and, regular price drops later. Nobody is perfect but anyone with a pro consumer mindset should be rewarded.

Been a PlayStation fan and owner since 1998 and I'm still waiting for PSOne classics on PS4. Where's your pro consumer mindset now?
 
I don't understand the extreme reactions, Jim's included. Apparently a sold out preorder gives people reasons to hate a whole brand forever, and wish them failure.

This is so absurd. If you care about the product, why would you spit on it if you can't have a preorder on ? If you don't why would you even comment ? I know people are unfiltered on the Internet, but this is so silly to witness.



Case in point.

Youre oversimplifying things to make people out to be taking extreme positions.

And I still don't see why that warrants those reactions. Scalpers aren't exclusive to Nintendo. The preorder window time does suck but we're still a month from release. It's not the first product to be sold out day one. But I rarely see this kind of reactions for it.



They didn't say "naw" on the SNES classic, and obviously I hope it doens't go the NES classic way. And yes you can be upset, but there's a difference between "I 'm upset I didn't get a preorder" and "Fuck Nintendo, I wish this company goes under". That's the extreme reaction I don't understand.

You rarely see these reactions to something like this because items that sell this well are usually doing better to meet demand and wont be discontinued after a few months. Like how are you not seeing the incredibly large distinction between other items and this one?

I'm with you.

Nintendo is dumb when it comes to this stuff but wishing for their demise? Come on.

Remember when you couldn't get a Tickle Me Elmo in 1998 so you banned Sesame Street from your household?

Remember when you could still walk into a store and purchase a tickle me elmo 20 years later?
 
Even after pre-ordering a bundle i still feel like i lost in the end cause im still paying considerably more than i should.

Jim is right, theres only two answers to any stock issue regarding Nintendo.

Incompetence or artificial scarcity. I know someone is gonna bring up the Switch and how samsung/apple are an issue holding back Switch production. Is that not also incompetence on Nintendo's behalf?

Is it incompetence when a much larger company with far more money monopolizes a key component of many portable electronics?

I swear the majority of folks in these threads think Nintendo owns the factories and suppliers to make all of their stuff and it's magically built instantly but they refuse to so they can shit on the fans.
 
Even after pre-ordering a bundle i still feel like i lost in the end cause im still paying considerably more than i should.

Jim is right, theres only two answers to any stock issue regarding Nintendo.

Incompetence or artificial scarcity. I know someone is gonna bring up the Switch and how samsung/apple are an issue holding back Switch production. Is that not also incompetence on Nintendo's behalf?

I mean, not really?

If you're a chip manufacturer and you have to choose between devices that will sell in the hundreds of millions and a device that MIGHT ONE DAY hit 50 mil who would you go with?
 
The blame starts with Nintendo for making the SNES Classic limited in the first place. There's plenty of demand to justify producing these for longer than the run that they have planned for just the rest of this year. The rarity is what triggering people's impulses to buy and scalpers to scoop up as many as they can to resell.

NOA also needs to eat a fat one for their preorder shenanigans. There should be no reason that preordering an SNES Classic from Europe was easier for me than in the US, or to have preorders open while people are asleep.

But I expected this crap to happen for the SNES Classic, and the same will happen again once the N64 version rolls around. Be prepared.

Isn't this 100% on retailers? They know damn well you guys are gonna be all up in arms about this and are gonna milk it for everything they can. The demand is insane and they know that. When pre-orders go live is 100% on the retailers and they are to blame for this going up at 1am and stuff like that. People knew from the beginning the SNES classic was going to be rare, though. Nintendo said it initially. So there should be no surprise on that.

I agree that Nintendo should produce enough of these to meet demand, but even if they put 5 million of them on the market, you can bet retailers are going to sprinkle them out as they see fit, because they know people will go out of their way to get them. Just look at retailers that still have stacks of NES Classics that they're trickling out. Nintendo can't force retailers to sell them a certain way or to limit how many can be sold at one time. That's on retailers and they know you guys are going to buy them, so why worry about it?
 
I don't understand the extreme reactions, Jim's included. Apparently a sold out preorder gives people reasons to hate a whole brand forever, and wish them failure.

This is so absurd. If you care about the product, why would you spit on it if you can't have a preorder on ? If you don't why would you even comment ? I know people are unfiltered on the Internet, but this is so silly to witness.

You and me both. I tried to be a voice of reason in the main pre-order thread, but, as expected, people redirected their anger at me.

We have to see how the sales of this actually pan out before most of this judgement can be thrown at Nintendo. That is the logical approach. If it's a mad feeding frenzy and no one ever actually sees one in store like with the NES Classic, then sure, Nintendo hasn't learned... but we are at far too early a juncture to reach that conclusion.

((Cue various forms of Nintendo Defense Force comments))

I'm just happy the second controller is included this time, and the cords are longer... so someone, somewhere must be listening. So perhaps with a little extrapolation, we can say the stock situation is also going to be better. Edit: But using preorders as a guide post for that? Nope. That's just plain silly. If nothing else, the instant sell out should indicate to Nintendo that there is significant demand and they should ramp up production accordingly. Time will tell.
 
How could they mess it up once again despite previous experience, this is really baffling.
Nintendo deserve all that negativity.
 
Is it incompetence when a much larger company with far more money monopolizes a key component of many portable electronics?

I swear the majority of folks in these threads think Nintendo owns the factories and suppliers to make all of their stuff and it's magically built instantly but they refuse to so they can shit on the fans.

I mean, not really?

If you're a chip manufacturer and you have to choose between devices that will sell in the hundreds of millions and a device that MIGHT ONE DAY hit 50 mil who would you go with?

So its just an exception to the rule then. I mean i can live with that.
 
I can't avoid laughing at those "after X I'm done with <insert company>" claims.

I said I would drop Nintendo after the Wii. The only Nintendo thing I bought was a Cloud amiibo and that was because it was Cloud from the hit game Final Fantasy VII, not because it was a Nintendo product.

Maybe take people at their word and explore why they're saying it.
 
I said I would drop Nintendo after the Wii. The only Nintendo thing I bought was a Cloud amiibo and that was because it was Cloud from the hit game Final Fantasy VII, not because it was a Nintendo product.

Maybe take people at their word and explore why they're saying it.

It seems like a half-measure, like they can't restrain themselves even if they want to.
 
You and me both. I tried to be a voice of reason in the main pre-order thread, but, as expected, people redirected their anger at me.

We have to see how the sales of this actually pan out before most of this judgement can be thrown at Nintendo. That is the logical approach. If it's a mad feeding frenzy and no one ever actually sees one in store like with the NES Classic, then sure, Nintendo hasn't learned... but we are at far too early a juncture to reach that conclusion.

((Cue various forms of Nintendo Defense Force comments))

I'm just happy the second controller is included this time, and the cords are longer... so someone, somewhere must be listening. So perhaps with a little extrapolation, we can say the stock situation is also going to be better. Edit: But using preorders as a guide post for that? Nope. That's just plain silly. If nothing else, the instant sell out should indicate to Nintendo that there is significant demand and they should ramp up production accordingly. Time will tell.

Tim from kinda funny already said his insiders told him they were getting the same amount of SNES classics as the NES ones. The other part of the frustration, comes from knowing it will be discontinued by years' end. That alone is enough to warrant the anger, let alone on top of their productions issues.
 
If Jim's really buying into the artificial scarcity absurdity that I'm quite disappointed. I thought he was way smarter than that.

Either that or he's still grinding that axe as hard as he can. It's the only thing I can think of for him to be dabbling in stupid conspiracy theories.
 
It seems like a half-measure, like they can't restrain themselves even if they want to.

Maybe, but for some it's coming out of frustration at wanting to spend the money and not being able to. They're not boycotting bad hardware or games, they're boycotting an inability to spend their money on those products is a very frustrating state of affairs.
 
The blame starts with Nintendo for making the SNES Classic limited in the first place. There's plenty of demand to justify producing these for longer than the run that they have planned for just the rest of this year. The rarity is what triggering people's impulses to buy and scalpers to scoop up as many as they can to resell.

I'll say this again:

Nintendo doesn't want to give everyone who wants it a cheap way to satisfy their demand for Nintendo games without buying into the software they're currently investing in. They don't want people to only show up for their old games. They don't want people to buy more Nintendos that don't play new games than Nintendos that do.

They just want to generate demand for Nintendo games, since demand's been down for the last several years, in the hopes that that will convert to demand for their current stuff.

They're making pennies on NES Classic compared to what they'd make on sales of their current hardware + software. I agree that they should see their back catalog as a sustainable pillar of their business that they should leverage (much the same way Disney leverages its back catalog), but they can decide that $60-80 one-time-purchase plug-and-play consoles with no recurring revenue is just an appetizer and not the main course. They don't have to focus on that product line as a permanent (or, yes, even six-month) fixture of their retro games strategy, especially when they're not having trouble selling them either way.
 
because Nintendo hasn't a clue what it's actually trying to do with them.
They want to get people talking about Nintendo again, especially with people who haven't really bothered with them for years…

I said I would drop Nintendo after the Wii. The only Nintendo thing I bought was a Cloud amiibo and that was because it was Cloud from the hit game Final Fantasy VII, not because it was a Nintendo product.

Maybe take people at their word and explore why they're saying it.
Oh hey! It worked!
 
If Jim's really buying into the artificial scarcity absurdity that I'm quite disappointed. I thought he was way smarter than that.

Either that or he's still grinding that axe as hard as he can. It's the only thing I can think of for him to be dabbling in stupid conspiracy theories.

Na. Its either incompetence or artificial scarcity. Discontinuing an item that will make you tons of money means theyre either losing money on the system which means, incompetence in understanding cost of production plus setting your price point, or that they want to drive up the hype for a limited time item in which case, artificial scarcity. Failing to meet demand over a highly desired product in the first few shipments is understandable. Discontinuing it after a few months? Na.

I'll say this again:

Nintendo doesn't want to give everyone who wants it a cheap way to satisfy their demand for Nintendo games without buying into the software they're currently investing in. They don't want people to only show up for their old games. They don't want people to buy more Nintendos that don't play new games than Nintendos that do.

They just want to generate demand for Nintendo games, since demand's been down for the last several years, in the hopes that that will convert to demand for their current stuff.

They're making pennies on NES Classic compared to what they'd make on sales of their current hardware + software. I agree that they should see their back catalog as a sustainable pillar of their business that they should leverage (much the same way Disney leverages its back catalog), but they can decide that $60-80 one-time-purchase plug-and-play consoles with no recurring revenue is just an appetizer and not the main course. They don't have to focus on that product line as a permanent fixture of their retro games strategy.
Then fuck Nintendo extra hard if thats the case. They shouldn't be dictating how we choose to consume video games while letting a small group get their hands on a piece of nostalgia while telling others "If you want these games but didn't get an snes classic, we have a system for you". That excuse didn't fly with xbox and sure as shit doesn't fly with nintendo.

And again if theyre making pennies on this system, incompetence on their part. Laughably so. Especially because you saw the beta version of this sell like hot cakes less than a year ago and you STILL couldnt figure out cost of production relative to price in order to turn a profit? Thats fucking hilarious.
 
Tim from kinda funny already said his insiders told him they were getting the same amount of SNES classics as the NES ones. The other part of the frustration, comes from knowing it will be discontinued by years' end. That alone is enough to warrant the anger, let alone on top of their productions issues.

I don't know him or who he knows or what who he knows actually know. Sure, the impending discontinuation is a point of frustration, but only if Nintendo demonstrates that it did not increase production numbers in substantial numbers and the discontinuation actually proves to be an issue for people wanting a unit.

Edit: We're not at that point yet, which I think is what some of us are trying to point out. We can retrospect over the Classic NES and say, yep, Nintendo messed up, because that's a wrap, but we're not even at the Super NES Classic's release date yet.
 
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