Marvel vs Capcom Infinite Gameplay/Pre-Launch Discussion Thread
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He does it's Devil Trigger where he can start his shenanigans with his air beam and vortex.
Just noticed that in Max's newest footage there's a saving indicator at the bottom of the screen when a battle ends (relevant timestamp), same with the Gamersyde footage (YT link) and IGN Brasil's (Timestamped link).
This didn't happen with the previous builds (footage).
Add this to the fact that colours are now selectable (and seemingly unlockable), trophies, the options on the CSS, the footage of Arcade mode, the reports of story mode, and the stage count.
I'm pretty sure what we're seeing since Gamescom is the final build.
Heck, Trophies alone show this. You can't have trophies unless the build is final, I'm pretty sure. Cert wouldn't let that happen.
This didn't happen with the previous builds (footage).
Add this to the fact that colours are now selectable (and seemingly unlockable), trophies, the options on the CSS, the footage of Arcade mode, the reports of story mode, and the stage count.
I'm pretty sure what we're seeing since Gamescom is the final build.
Heck, Trophies alone show this. You can't have trophies unless the build is final, I'm pretty sure. Cert wouldn't let that happen.
We should start using the term "release build", nothing is final in 2017 
They going for dat MvC2 feel Ryce!
They going for dat MvC2 feel Ryce!
DaytimeWhiskey
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This is a small thing, but it really bothers me. There's no reason to not have them grouped, it really can't be that hard to fix and it looks ridiculous as it is now
Doctrine Dark
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I cant believe they are shipping the game with the Hunter, Black Panther, Venom and Sigma (well, we assume) in the story mode, and they are DLC.
That's actually insulting, not the arrangement of the character select screen.
That's actually insulting, not the arrangement of the character select screen.
Ha! That's fair, no game is truly complete~ (until it stops getting patches)We should start using the term "release build", nothing is final in 2017
Yeah, it's a sour pill to swallow. I can almost assure that at the very least Sigma and Black Panther could have made it to the base game.
However those DLC chars were probably budgeted as DLC to begin with, so they may have never been intended for the base game, even if they were complete.
Shit sucks. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Like I said before, I'm starting to think that it's physically impossible for Zero to be bad.
Doctrine Dark
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I agree. The character select screen being bland is more annoying to me than the character arrangement.
Those characters being DLC is by far the biggest issue. Mainly because it's obvious those characters should've been on the base roster.
TheSpoiler
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To be fair, there's still the day one patch, but I imagine most of this stuff isn't gonna change.
hell yeah I hope no one is paying full price. Even on Amazon you coulda got it for $40 on PS4.
If I like it I might get a physical ps4 copy later (after price cuts mind you)
I still feel like I'm getting kinda bent over even at reduced prices. This game just wont feel right til we get X-men
Yeah I didnt play UvMC3 but I did play the hell out of this game in the Arcades and I loved my X-men
If I like it I might get a physical ps4 copy later (after price cuts mind you)
I still feel like I'm getting kinda bent over even at reduced prices. This game just wont feel right til we get X-men
Yeah I didnt play UvMC3 but I did play the hell out of this game in the Arcades and I loved my X-men
Oh, for sure there's gonna be a day one patch. I can't think of a modern, big name, game that doesn't have one.
I actually find it funny that people thought they were confirming a day one patch when they talked about "fixing" Chun-Li's face, even though they never said anything about that.
Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero,
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In terms of gameplay, character design, or both?
do MvC fans like zoning? Zoning seems like #1 reason I see casuals quit Injustice. Still to this day I'll see some folks just quit at character select screen even if I pick Darkseid (Granted he is top tier but still- I shouldn't get autowins at select screen)
Yeah, I mean console. I'm assuming most players will be on PS4. I want to pick it up there (assuming they killed the chromatic aberration). I'll probably pick up the cheap PC version at least.
JeTmAn81
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In general I don't think MVC players like zoning much, Marvel 3 offered a good balance of playstyles though.
yeah Marvel fans love zoning, ChrisG is everyone's favorite Marvel player in fact.
:3
also I forgot Ultron, I think he will get a lot of play early on. Guess I'll bump Chun-Li off the top 5.
i don't give a crap what people like. i liked zoning and it seems it's been toned down in this game. maybe there just hasn't been good hawkeye footage because he gets blown up every time i see gameplay videos. i do like that one bouncing vertical shot he got though.
gonna forget that i'm not watching umvc3 with all that green flashing on my screen
Zoning is just much different in Marvel because you have so many movement options and counters, especially now that advancing guard will reflect individual projectiles back at the opponent. I know from playing NRS games how much projectiles seem incredibly OP in that game, in Marvel they're good but there's so many ways around them.
Oh I play zone characters primarily myself. I am a Casuals worst nightmare I suppose.
If they cant counter my attacks I will keep doing it
Granted fought against this pro-level gaf that kept doing the same attack too me and I felt trash. I labbed against a bot AI that spammed that move for like 30 mins til I learned to counter.
gafs can be crazy cruel online ;(
(And yes I'm talking bout you CrackedPebble if you read this-)
good to know thx
If they cant counter my attacks I will keep doing it
Granted fought against this pro-level gaf that kept doing the same attack too me and I felt trash. I labbed against a bot AI that spammed that move for like 30 mins til I learned to counter.
gafs can be crazy cruel online ;(
(And yes I'm talking bout you CrackedPebble if you read this-)
good to know thx
Karsticles
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Sounds like people are mixing up zoning and keepaway definitions again.
If anything, I feel like Capcom doesn't want MHXX to step on the toes of MHW, which is the game that they're heavily marketing towards the west. I could see MHXX getting localized sometime after MHW drops.
True, though I'd imagine that there's a decent bit of overlap between the Switch & the others.
That being said, it does suck that we're currently being left hanging.
Worse than that, most of the translation is done, given that it's an enhanced port of an already translated game.
Do you mind going over what the exact difference is between the two?
Doctrine Dark
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In less than 3 weeks, MVCI will be out.
Pretty excited to play despite my annoyances over the game pre-release.
Pretty excited to play despite my annoyances over the game pre-release.
MVC fans like as many playstyles to be viable as possible. Marvel 3 had that for the most part of its lifespan (even though by the end it got dominated by Zero/Morrigan, there were still a lot of other strategies that worked).
Talking about zoning got nerfed despite not even playing the game at this stage is jumping the gun IMO. It's nerfed if you are looking at it from the context of Marvel 3 but this is Marvel Infinite.
Here is how zoning has improved in Marvel 3:
*Because of the tag system, every time you get someone to block your projectiles... it is a potential tag set up into a mix up or additional set ups. Something like Jedah throws his Scythe, tags into Dorm who does Dark Hole into stock up.
*Every time someone gets hit with a zoning move, that is going to convert to real damage. Hawkeye's stray Spritzer attack is a potential combo waiting to happen if it lands if you are on your toes.
*You have more tools to zone with like the Reality stone, Soul stone or Space stone. Both their surges and stone give you some advantage in neutral that you never had before.
*Characters taking chip from normals in the air. This is great for someone like Ghost Rider or characters who zone with their normals like Zero (yes guys Zero is a zoner too) or Dante. If they put Sentinel in the game again then he would benefit from this change a lot.
What has been made worse is keep away/runaway though. Not enough mobility/real estate to do that and there's no point in running away either with the meter gain so significantly nerfed. They want the GG style of active zoning in this game where you are playing more fluidly between offense and defense.
Zoning is space control or zone control. You want to keep the opponent in the optimum space/zone for your character. Zero is a good example of a zoner in Marvel Infinite. He wants to keep you at the midrange space which is where his projectiles and normals are deadliest off of his tools which is off of stuff like Pizza Cutter, Busters and Lightning. He doesn't want to be right up in your face but he doesn't want to be full screen away and running away (unless it's certain match ups like against Haggar). Zero wants to be in a space where he can convert into real damage. In Marvel 2 this was Sentinel's playstyle, he zoned with his normals and he would convert into real damage off of them, it wasn't just chip pressure. Neither of these characters are actually great at keepaway or runaway, they in fact don't have the best tools to even do so. In Injustice this would be someone like Aquaman who wants to keep you Trident range to pressure you with.
Keep away/runaway are character archetypes who want to stay full screen away and keep the opponent as far as possible. This is your Hawkeye, Deadpools, Cable, Storm (only because of the meter gain in that game), Arthur etc. In Injustice this would be your Deadshot. This is the style that people hate the most in games.
There is some crossover here as well hence why the term gets mixed up. A lot of people just use zoner/keepaway/"lame" in the same umbrella of defensive, projectile spam playstyle which is too broad to describe most characters. Some characters do both zoning and keepaway.
LMAO. CrackedPebbles is on a whole nother level lol. Also, if you super him it makes him only get stronger. It's like anti kryptonite.
i feel like this is more of a case of nrs implementing zoning really poorly. i personally love zoning and prefer that playstyle but nrs game zoning always seemed really boring to me.
Do they lower the framerate when someone dies?
This is great, thanks for the write up. Yeah I've definitely been guilty of that myself, but it's good to finally know how to properly differentiate the two now.
There seems to be some slowdown (A la UMvC3) when a character dies, which is fine, accompanied by a very distracting and off-putting judder. I found it horrible and very annoying when I first saw it and it really bothers me that it is still there, to the point that I'd list it as one of the reasons I wouldn't get the game at launch.
OsirisBlack
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Thanos also looks like he's going to be a problem. He seems to have every tool needed to at least be a tier. Air dash, teleport, fireball, crumple shield move, armored specials, air loop combos with wall breaker and really good damage. That's just what I've noticed in vids I'm going to break Thanos Thor jedah and dormammu in the lab. Man if I can just do my mid screen mighty hurricane resets Thor is going to be a monster
He also has a command grab. He is like a big body character only with a high durability slow projectile to get in with, a teleport and an air dash. He doesn't have that much armor though and that overhead is going to start getting blocked really soon.
Though it's hard to say how good he will actually end up being.
Though it's hard to say how good he will actually end up being.
TheSpoiler
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The whole game is BS. But in terms of the soul stone, having another character out in a game where the other person can switch out their person to protect your person is asking for trouble unless you have some decent setups. Otherwise there's a good chance one character is going down, which is really tough to come back with in this game so far.
Except when they tag cancel the overhead's startup and hit you low just before or just after the overhead. Good luck with that!
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