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[Drillary Clinton]

Good.

I retweeted him and his message urging other devs to do the same too.

Fuck no, this could set a nasty precedent for DMCA abuse.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

I think this is a really dangerous precedent and Gaf should be seriously wary of supporting it. I understand that a publisher/developer might not like their game to be played by a person who doesn't share their values. However Let's Play videos are already in uncertain legal territory. Even if they are supported across the board or not. If this is allowed to happen it could potentially mean that a YouTuber cannot make a let's play video of a game unless they are pre-approved by the publisher. This is bad news because it could lead to vetting of YouTubers so only brand loyal ones are approved who will give favourable coverage.

I understand the strong feeling to take action but this is not the way.

I'm pretty sure "We don't like to see our brand involved in work by antisemitic and racist producers" is a better use of copyright than "He's saying our game is bad". But sure, move them posts until they fit.

Honestly, the variants in this thread of defending this shit and trying to downtalk people who try do do something about it is embarassing.

 

[bigjeffery]

Yeah Campo Santo is going to get smoked. This is a really bad idea.

 

[oti]

Meanwhile, at the Wall Street Journal offices ..

What do you mean?

 

[MetalGearZed]

DSP was a dude who jerked off and didn't realize he was streaming.

oh. yikes. lol

 

[Lanrutcon]

Great, now Jim Sterling is going to have to go to bat for a racist. I'm sure that's what he wanted to hear today.

Doubt Jim is going to defend a racist. If anything, I'll bet we get a video where he doesn't mince words about how fucked up PDP's behaviour is.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

It's an interesting discussion. Like, can Camp Santo argue that PewDiePie's association with their product is damaging?

Personally, I don't think so. At least not any more or less than some other Youtuber that generally makes bad videos about Camo Santo's games with footage. And I definitely don't think they should be DMCAing those videos, so... I don't know.

 

[Enzom21]

This is a strange hill to die on.

It's fucking hilarious and transparent as hell.

 

[psychowave]

He's very much against what he perceives as weaponization of DMCA claims though, and a HUGE proponent of fair use. Might see this as a slippery slope kind of deal.

Very true, I just don't think this is the kind of hill he'd want to die on. If he does tackle the issue from that angle I hope to god he's very careful and makes sure not to sound like he's defending PDP's racism in any way.

 

[Oxymoron]

I think this is a really dangerous precedent and Gaf should be seriously wary of supporting it. I understand that a publisher/developer might not like their game to be played by a person who doesn't share their values. However Let's Play videos are already in uncertain legal territory. Even if they are supported across the board or not. If this is allowed to happen it could potentially mean that a YouTuber cannot make a let's play video of a game unless they are pre-approved by the publisher. This is bad news because it could lead to vetting of YouTubers so only brand loyal ones are approved who will give favourable coverage.

This is already the case, though. That's why Nintendo is able to claim a portion of the advertising proceeds from LPs.

 

[kiguel182]

I doubt the people who are okay with this dude saying the n word are the audience for Campo Santo's games.

 

[HariKari]

What do you mean?

WSJ has been attacked by various Youtubers and their alt-right pals recently.

 

[atomsk]

I think this is a really dangerous precedent and Gaf should be seriously wary of supporting it. I understand that a publisher/developer might not like their game to be played by a person who doesn't share their values. However Let's Play videos are already in uncertain legal territory. Even if they are supported across the board or not. If this is allowed to happen it could potentially mean that a YouTuber cannot make a let's play video of a game unless they are pre-approved by the publisher. This is bad news because it could lead to vetting of YouTubers so only brand loyal ones are approved who will give favourable coverage.

I understand the strong feeling to take action but this is not the way.

As much as I like the intention behind devs flagging his videos, pretty much this.

Content ID is one thing, make sure he can't make any more money on the videos.

DMCA takedowns are dangerous territory that has already been used to silence criticism on YouTube. (ie: Digital Homicide vs Jim Sterling)

 

[LotusHD]

Been waiting a while to post this gem of a post, haven't you lol

Lmao

 

[Atilac]

Gaming is a cesspit because of white straight male gamers.

Are you afraid to acknowledge that?

....wtf

 

[whyman]

This is how people talk in real life. All over the world. The more hours being streamed the more real talk will get in there. Not saying its right.

Campo Santo is also taking this way too far. If they "win" it will damage gaming and streaming for a long time. Think a long time before you support something like that.

 

[Fat4all]

lol how long have you been sitting on this?

almost a year it seems, they made the screenshot before they were banned

 

[jjonez18]

That's online culture these days... Sad.

 

[border]

Is it really abuse though? The copyright laws exist in part for companies to protect their brand and being associated with a blatant racist if not nazi can certainly be damaging and seems like a good use for it.

To me he's essentially saying "I know that PewDiePie's content is Fair Use, but I'm putting in a DMCA notice anyway to spite the person who made the video."

Do you favor monetized Fair Use, or should copyright holders have ultimate authority to determine who can monetize videos featuring their content? Consider situations beyond this one.

 

[TAJ]

I skipped Firewatch because of the early problems and later because of their Pro mode not downsampling for 1080p.
Buying it now.

 

[Easy_D]

Ok dude. Let me elaborate.

Given the context of this thread I was referring to the frequency at which the word "Nigger" is encountered on the internet and specifically Online Multiplayer Games.

Because in comparison the frequency that you would encounter the use of this word in Real Life/Out in Public is less. (Especially here in Dallas, there are places that would get your ass shot or stabbed).

PewDiePie the person in which is the perpetrator in this case is who? A Internet personality. Who specifically was doing what? Playing a online video game.

My (rhetorical thought) question was more about the ignorance and the casual use of racial words used in the mutliplayer gaming community at large.

PewDiePie is a person who lives in Sweden. How the hell can he understand the legitimate grievances of Black People here in America?(Which I doubt he cares anyways.) He hasn't grown up in America to experience first-hand the racial division that exist here in this country. He will never truly understand the evil, hateful, painful, wicked, and miserable legacy that the word "Nigger" has carried throughout American history.

You can tell someone how bad something is, but until they experience it first-hand they will never truly understand.

Fuck off with that bullshit.

We fucking know what the god damn word means here (in Sweden), we don't live under a collective rock, the word is taboo as fuck as are its siblings. Even without historical context we know it's a curse-word implying you're a lesser being for being African.

 

[James Scott]

Fuck no, this could set a nasty precedent for DMCA abuse.

We can deal with that issue if it ever comes to it.
For now, it's fine.

 

[Irminsul]

Well, if there's one thing that could (re-)unite YouTubers on PDP's side, it's this. Or at least that's what could happen.

Although I totally understand why the devs would want to do that.

 

[Messofanego]

Don't let some old post from some unrelated topic distract.

 

[TheMoon]

Fuck no, this could set a nasty precedent for DMCA abuse.

How?
Fuck yes. Fuck this twat. DMCA galore.

 

[TestedTurok]

Yeah that's not right. PewDiePie don't be surprised if you lose a few subs man

 

[jtb]

so much for the tolerant NeoGAF

 

[BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie]

Yeah whilst I've not ever been a fan of PDP I've never written him off before despite multiple so-called 'last chances'.

But there's a line that is crossed and I won't be falling for yet another 'I'm deeply sorry BUT DA MEDIA HATES ME CUZ I AM RICH!"

Done thinking he'll grow up.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I dont know if it's sarcasm but it's less about soft or hard version. It's about "context" as some apologists loves to usually say.

Context here is simple. Really the situation is super simple: Guy use the n-word, a racial slur, to insult someone, with a racial slur. "Fuckin n-word" Plain and simple. As racist as it can be.

even if someone is just firing off the hard R word without aiming at anyone, that's still unacceptable. yelling fire in a crowded theatre

White people make hard R jokes out of earshot of black people all the time. dont have to necessarily have malice toward any one individual to be a racist or espouse casual racism

 

[Kenai]

As much as I like the intention behind devs flagging his videos, pretty much this.

Content ID is one thing, make sure he can't make any more money on the videos.

DMCA takedowns are dangerous territory that has already been used to silence criticism on YouTube. (ie: Digital Homicide vs Jim Sterling)

Can DMCA takedowns make no distinction between general critique and verified racist/bigoted slapdowns? Because if not then that's what you should be more worried about, imo.

 

[family_guy]

Ok dude. Let me elaborate.

Given the context of this thread I was referring to the frequency at which the word "Nigger" is encountered on the internet and specifically Online Multiplayer Games.

Because in comparison the frequency that you would encounter the use of this word in Real Life/Out in Public is less. (Especially here in Dallas, there are places that would get your ass shot or stabbed).

PewDiePie the person in which is the perpetrator in this case is who? A Internet personality. Who specifically was doing what? Playing a online video game.

My (rhetorical thought) question was more about the ignorance and the casual use of racial words used in the mutliplayer gaming community at large.

PewDiePie is a person who lives in Sweden. How the hell can he understand the legitimate grievances of Black People here in America?(Which I doubt he cares anyways.) He hasn't grown up in America to experience first-hand the racial division that exist here in this country. He will never truly understand the evil, hateful, painful, wicked, and miserable legacy that the word "Nigger" has carried throughout American history.

You can tell someone how bad something is, but until they experience it first-hand they will never truly understand.

So are you saying he has no context for using the word nigger other than that he probably heard it so much while playing online that it just became a part of his vernacular? Is this satire?

 

[MetalGearZed]

....wtf

well, i mean it is very sexist, racist, and homophobic. only one group people isn't negatively affected by that fact

 

[ckaneo]

He said it with the er instead of the a. Obviously neither is okay but he cant just claim it just slipped out.

 

[Lastgengamer]

I still view that in the lens of animosity. You've had people like JonTron and now Pewdiepie come out and show their true colors. But there is STILL a huge sector of the gaming populace that shield these same sentiments from the public.

I agree, left unchecked and it spreads like a
disease.

Should it not be common decency that racists not have a platform? We could've avoided so much in the past.

 

[Fat4all]

This is how people talk in real life. All over the world. The more hours being streamed the more real talk will get in there. Not saying its right.

again with this nonsense

PDP is extensively Americanized. PDP knows exactly the context of the words he's saying.

As if saying 'fucking ni**ger' is some sort of worldwide phenomenon or some shit, ffs...

 

[oti]

WSJ has been attacked by various Youtubers and their alt-right pals recently.

I know. But I don't think this brings relief or happiness to the WSJ. Not like they're like his viewership who is too stupid to see through his garbage stick or just plain racist themselves.

 

[Zoggy]

I know. But I don't think this brings relief or happiness to the WSJ. Not like they're like his viewership who is too stupid to see through his garbage stick or just plain racist themselves.

Wsj


Sjw


Follow the money....

 

[Kthulhu]

oh. yikes. lol

The webcam was pointed above waist, so no children were harmed.

 

[tmarg]

I can't say I'm a fan of DMCA abuse being weaponized in this fashion, as it puts us on kind of a slippery slope.

It certainly stirs the pot though.

It's not DMCA abuse. The line has gotten fuzzier in recent years of where fair use ends, but long form playthroughs of entire games definitely falls on the wrong side of it. Developers and publishers allow streamers and youtubers to make that content because it's good for their business, but they have legal obligation to do so.

 

[sooperkool]

I can't say I'm a fan of DMCA abuse being weaponized in this fashion, as it puts us on kind of a slippery slope.

It certainly stirs the pot though.

It's not abuse, it's their content. They can revoke your right to use it at any time. or did you think he had some right to it?

 

[Nanashrew]

Fuck no, this could set a nasty precedent for DMCA abuse.

It's a perfectly valid situation since the dev wouldn't want to be associated with someone who consistently spews hateful and racist things.

 

[WhateverItTakes]

I know this will open up a debate on whether developers/creators can choose who's allowed to make money off their content but good on them for doing something.

 

[fly high ~ayunite~]

He needs to be banned from the Internet for life. Enough is enough.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

I think this is a really dangerous precedent and Gaf should be seriously wary of supporting it. I understand that a publisher/developer might not like their game to be played by a person who doesn't share their values. However Let's Play videos are already in uncertain legal territory. Even if they are supported across the board or not. If this is allowed to happen it could potentially mean that a YouTuber cannot make a let's play video of a game unless they are pre-approved by the publisher. This is bad news because it could lead to vetting of YouTubers so only brand loyal ones are approved who will give favourable coverage.

I understand the strong feeling to take action but this is not the way.

To put it bluntly, I don't give a shit if getting a Nazi off of YouTube might compromise the sanctity of a video game let's play.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Video games is such a weird thing to ruin your career over.

What a fuck head.

 

[HabeeNo]

Fuck him

 

[IrishNinja]

Mainly because the mods of this site tend to ban anyone giving off any other viewpoint...

Good.

I retweeted him and his message urging other devs to do the same too.

happy to see this, hope it becomes a trend

 

[ScientificPizza]

I hope more developers follow suit

 

[Basketball]

Sounds like someone who is not around us black folk very often

so sheltered.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Not that I needed another demonstration of this, but the reaction to this really drives home the attitude that some people have where being called racist is the worst thing in the world. At this point he's given already ample indication that he is racist and so many people are reacting to him using a racial slur with "I don't think he's racist." Why? What indications has he given that he isn't racist (vs. the many he's given that he is). Why do we need to handwave this away as him merely being an idiot?

It's like when people were being outed for taking part in Charlottesville and people rushed to their defense. "Well, I personally don't agree with his views but this self-identified white nationalist who traveled over 1000 miles to take place in a rally where he literally chanted Nazi slogans just said he's not racist in an interview. What a witch hunt, huh?"