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[Slayven]

Amazing how many people will step up to defend and lowkey cosign racism. And not even in dogwhistles

 

[ScientificPizza]

also "virtue signalling" is not a thing and never will be a thing

neither is fighting for social justice

alt right buzzwords have lost so much of their original intent that it's almost comical

 

[HotHamBoy]

NeoGAF's Fall Cleaning has begun early, I see.

 

[Bahorel]

Just saw his teenage fans on Tumblr excusing it by saying he was reading out loud the donation messages and it was a donation message and he didn't mean to say it...

...did they even watch the video? Like all you need to do is watch to know that's absolutely not what happened.

 

[Fat4all]

KiA? and yeah I still don't even understand what it means other than usually crappy people using it.

KotakuInAction, the gamergate and alt-right breeding ground before the_Donald

 

[Rellik]

European White people really need to take a seat on this one and stop making fools out of themselves and instead start to listen and get educated

Don't group us all together when I've been in this thread as a white European criticising any other European that defends this or comes out with that bs about not understanding it here.

 

[PhantomThief]

Man fuck this guy. Racist asshole. Especially since his fanbase is mostly kids.

 

[Slayven]

Man some of these posts. Smh

"Nigger only really means something in America"

Sure...sure it does....

Then why even say it? People can't help but expose themselves

 

[Box of Kittens]

Virtue Signalling - giving a shit

Why is that considered an insult again?

The implication is that the posting doesn't really care about whatever they're posting about. The person making the accusation often has a hard time truly understanding that anyone else could think differently from them, so the other person must be posting disingenuously.

 

[kiguel182]

Just saw his teenage fans on Tumblr excusing it by saying he was reading out loud the donation messages and it was a donation message and he didn't mean to say it...

...did they even watch the video? Like all you need to do is watch to know that's absolutely not what happened.

He actually does that. He says it two times! And doesn't give a fuck even.

He knows it's wrong but don't cares one bit.

EDIT: And his friend backing him up makes it all that much gross.

 

[wideface]

Yeah, fuck PDP.

YouTuber Blunty has also uploaded a response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Ft0YHhtc8

 

[Some Nobody]

Bruh it's not enough you played a part in ruining YouTube? Fuck this dude. I never liked him to begin with.

 

[JBourne]

"But he's European, not American!" Is the new go-to defense. And it's a terrible one, which can be easily refuted.

Yeah, all the posts with this bullshit defense have been met with objection from other Europeans. But some people just keep peddling it.

 

[Psychoward]

Found a longer video (downloaded it just in case) having both instances of Pewdiepie saying the N word:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ro_wpRKpTU
0:35 and 4:42

He doesn't apologise or have any remorse. He just doesn't care. Whoever that other dude is in the stream is just enabling him even more. These white privileged racist trolls who don't have to care about anything.

I like how his character name is "yurgay" as if there was any doubt he was garbage.

 

[TheAuldTriangle]

The most disturbing thing is the millions of kids who watch his shit just heard him say that like it's nothing.

And a couple of thema Will use it as Well now probably.

Exactly!

People have to realize the influence this shitebag holds over MILLIONS of children. He's not just some random guy who plays videogames on the internet. He's an "entertainer" with a suggestible audience, and he's normalizing his racist rhetoric.

Shits dangerous.

And yes, it deserves mainstream media coverage.

 

[Beefy]

Then why even say it? People can't help but expose themselves

People like making shit up to excuse racism

 

[King Tubby]

Implicit in the "virtue signaling" claims that keep popping up is that everyone who is upset about this is completely disconnected and doesn't really give a shit. Like it's absurd to think there are plenty of people posting on this forum who are actually black or are actually friends of black people who don't think it's okay.

 

[Username1198]

Just saw his teenage fans on Tumblr excusing it by saying he was reading out loud the donation messages and it was a donation message and he didn't mean to say it...

...did they even watch the video? Like all you need to do is watch to know that's absolutely not what happened.

Jesus there using the Ron Burgundy defense???

Smh wow

 

[Gattsu25]

KiA? and yeah I still don't even understand what it means other than usually crappy people using it.

I explained what KiA was in an older thread:

r/kotakuinaction (I'll just call it KiA from now on) is a sub-Reddit (meaning a smaller community) on the community website called Reddit.com.

KiA was one of the early reddit recruitment grounds for what would later become the alt-right* on Reddit during the Gamergate movement (which was a targeted and widespread harassment campaign).

The assertion is that his subreddit is close to indistinguishable from that of a larger alt-right subreddit



*the "Alt-Right", or alternative right, is a term that was coined by a neo-nazi to describe the coalition of far-right groups including neo-nazis, kkk and other white supremacist groups, extreme anti-feminists (the primary focus of KiA and Gamergate), and other far-right ideologies. Their process of indoctrination involved getting people interested in wedge issues, like anti-feminism, deeper into their far-right and white supremacist ideologies through a process that they called red-pilling (which was named after an older anti feminist sub-Reddit).

 

[FiggyCal]

He totally apologized: "Sometimes, I forget that I'm streaming."

In other words: "I'm sorry that I let my mask drop for a second and exposed my racist views in a way that I can't backpedal or obfuscate."

It wouldn't have exactly smoothed the situation over - cause that's not a word you should use "by accident". But damn, at least take some time to just apologize for it. Not just laugh it off and blame it on forgetting that you were live.

Edit: I don't know what responsible parent would let their young kids watch this guy.

 

[ScaryShark]

No excuse, no defense, no 'discussion' needed to be had about this. No one that doesn't think and feel a certain way uses that word so casually and as an insult.

 

[MKIL65]

Yeah, all the posts with this bullshit defense have been met with objection from other Europeans. But some people just keep peddling it.

Seriously, I live in Denmark. It's a fucking racist country. So is Sweden, Norway and etc.

Europeans are capable of racism guys, just as much as Americans.

 

[Veritigo_X]

The fact that he corrected himself to say he meant "fucking asshole" says it all. Don't know how anyone can go about defending this guy.

 

[Dynasty]

Can someone clarify 'Virtue Signaling' for me?

I always understood it to be, expressing an view/belief without actually believing in it. It can obviously be used disingeniously, by KiA types but also can be used correctly.
For example, a Republican congressman talks about the evils and dangers of abortion but then when he knocks up his mistress, he has an abortion and gives a thousand reason why it is different. You could accuse the congressman of virtue signaling.

 

[Anung]

> it's just a word don't give it power
> get's pissed off at being called a Nazi.

 

[Beerman462]

That was about as blatant as it gets. Not even a hint of a soft R. Not that would make it better, but jeesh.

 

[OmnipotentO]

He totally apologized: "Sometimes, I forget that I'm streaming."

In other words: "I'm sorry that I let my mask drop for a second and exposed my racist views in a way that I can't backpedal or obfuscate."

"I'm sorry I got caught"

He's a piece of shit.

 

[Bahorel]

He actually does that. He says it two times! And doesn't give a fuck even.

He knows it's wrong but don't cares one bit.

EDIT: And his friend backing him up makes it all that much gross.

Oh I didn't see the clip of the second one being part of the message but god what trash. The first one was all on his own. And I don't understand how his teenage fans can blind themselves to that

 

[The ๖ۜBronx]

To be honest, as someone that lives in Europe I'm insulted at the idea that people here use said word flippantly or that it's tolerable here. It really isn't, and if you think it's prevalent then perhaps it's more indicative of your own social circles than the region as a whole.

 

[Baltic]

I explained what KiA was in an older thread:

Thanks for the reminder. I wasn't aware of the matter.

 

[shoryukens]

It's totally okay to say the N word in front of millions of people but god forbid a gaming journalist be bad at a particular video game!

The people that surround this digital hobby is disgusting sometimes.

Isn't this like the third time he has done something like this? How is he still so popular and supported by big companies like Youtube?

 

[Doctor Bat]

I'm finding the whole discourse around what he said so cowardly and irresponsible. 'Just because he said the N-word' He didn't just say anything, it was mean and angry racism, even casually so. Just saying he said the word completely robs the sentence of any of that power he meant it to have when he said it.

 

[Gattsu25]

Can someone clarify 'Virtue Signaling' for me?

I always understood it to be, expressing an view/belief without actually believing in it. It can obviously be used disingeniously, by KiA types but also can be used correctly.
For example, a Republican congressman talks about the evils and dangers of abortion but then when he knocks up his mistress, he has an abortion and gives a thousand reason why it is different. You could accuse the congressman of virtue signaling.

It's a bullshit term from the moment it was created.

It's used because people project their lack of interest in a subject onto others who really do care. It's basically an extension of the 'white Knight's insult in that regard.

"You can't really care about children who starve to death, you must be virtue signalling".

It assumes a negative motive entirely on the basis that the person making the accusation doesn't give a shit this no one can.

It's bullshit.

 

[HotHamBoy]

It's totally okay to say the N word in front of millions of people but god forbid a gaming journalist be bad at a particular video game!

The people that surround this digital hobby is disgusting sometimes.

Isn't this like the third time he has done something like this? How is he still so popular and supported by big companies like Youtube?

I'm gonna boycott this localized game that put more clothes on this underage girl!! CENSORSHIP!!

 

[Box of Kittens]

Implicit in the "virtue signaling" claims that keep popping up is that everyone who is upset about this is completely disconnected and doesn't really give a shit. Like it's absurd to think there are plenty of people posting on this forum who are actually black or are actually friends of black people who don't think it's okay.

It was a real epiphany when I realized racists believe that everyone else is just as racist as them and just pretends otherwise because of political correctness or to impress people or some other thing like that. It's why they love to give credit to openly racist people as " "saying what they really think" or "telling it like it is." They're not really giving them credit for being honest. They're giving them credit for being racist.

 

[Balb]

People will defend anything, huh? Dude has a history of doing stuff like this, as recently as this year. Give it up.

 

[pegaso]

You're not aware of the conversation I was replying to, but cute post.

I may have misinterpreted you (honestly) but it definitely looks like you are trying to prove that Europeans are not aware of the weight of the word, which at least wrong in part but also an sterile debate considering PDP's awareness of English-speaking culture and his actions.

 

[Baconsaurus Rex]

It's totally okay to say the N word in front of millions of people but god forbid a gaming journalist be bad at a particular video game!

The people that surround this digital hobby is disgusting sometimes.

Isn't this like the third time he has done something like this? How is he still so popular and supported by big companies like Youtube?

Dollar dollar bill y'all

 

[Yearsoflurking]

Who surprised by this* I damn sure isn't as a black man, never supported him never will

 

[Chunkylord]

Would it be fair to consider him racist now? For him to say it in that context and circumstance sorta tells me that he has some suppressed feelings about blacks. Can't really put it down to "just a slip of the tongue, everyone does it" kinda deal, because, really, only some certain kinds of people would say it as sincerely as he did there. Maybe he deserves a little slack becuase of the environment he works in. But then again, maybe not.

 

[Brazil]

I love how these twats defending him cannot comprehend the idea that people actually don't use that word, either in public or alone.

They literally don't believe it when others say "I'm not a racist fuck" because it's all they know.

 

[inoperativ]

PewDiePie is Swedish born Internet personality who lives in the UK. What does the fuck does he know about American History? Nothing. Neither does care about the legitimate grievances of Americans within the Black Community.

I am a native Swedish speaker who lives in the UK. It's not an excuse. Of course he is in his own view only vice signalling to his base and doesn't really care about the underlying issues but that's not an excuse either and frankly just reflects a lack of self-awareness and maturity. This is deeply problematic since he is in control of such a wide-reaching platform which mainly targets a younger audience. It's not like this is the first time he uses his platform to propagate 4chan BS either.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Who cares if he hates people of color or women or whatever in his heart of hearts? Why do people think that it's whether you "mean it" that defines whether you are a racist or a misogynist or a disgusting, hateful human being?

What's worse: a well-meaning white kid who tries to act 'gangsta' and drop n-bombs here and there out of a naked reverence for black culture and people or a straight-laced white guy who never dropped an n-bomb in polite company but secretly thinks black people belong in chains?

If I had to pick one to live alongside - I know who I'd pick. In this context, Pewds is looking more like he belongs in the latter category, which moves him from thoughtless but well-intentioned idiot to contemptible twat.

 

[HotHamBoy]

People will defend anything, huh? Dude has a history of doing stuff like this, as recently as this year. Give it up.

The worst thing is he isn't even worth it. He isn't funny, he is obnoxious. He's a fucking gaming youtuber, he's less than worthless.

 

[travisbickle]

Dude said it like a father who's very disappointed in his daughter's choice of new boyfriend, like proper racist.

 

[kcp12304]

Can someone clarify 'Virtue Signaling' for me?

I always understood it to be, expressing an view/belief without actually believing in it. It can obviously be used disingeniously, by KiA types but also can be used correctly.
For example, a Republican congressman talks about the evils and dangers of abortion but then when he knocks up his mistress, he has an abortion and gives a thousand reason why it is different. You could accuse the congressman of virtue signaling.

It's more like a person who says the right things to score points and gain approval from the political side they are on. Of course it's been a huge buzzword. People now use it to easily discount someone's opinion. Like they can't possibly mean what they say so they must be doing it for social media points.

 

[BuddyTheBestPuppy]

I never liked him. Never saw the hype behind his videos. What a tool

 

[JBourne]

I may have misinterpreted you (honestly) but it definitely looks like you are trying to prove that Europeans are not aware of the weight of the word, which at least wrong in part but also an sterile debate considering PDP's awareness of English-speaking culture and his actions.

That was a reply to someone who claimed only Americans were making those posts,and then asked for examples when told that was false.

 

[Nostremitus]

People still watch him?

 

[Tangled Up in Blue]

This will be my final contribution to this thread.

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Yeah, pretty much.