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[Buckle]

Why are people so quick to say he isn't racist?

Like...is there something I'm missing? Do tons of non-racist white people have the n-word as a part of their regular vocabulary?

Part of it is fan worship (my hero can't possible be a bad person) and I think a disappointing amount of people are probably just used to hearing this in private or while gaming and have normalized it.

 

[Don Draper's Hat]

For a lot of white people, being called a racist is just as, if not more inflammatory than calling a black person the n word, if only because it doing so serves to completely strip away any authority, integrity or possible standing they would have in a conversation. "He's just a racist, nothing he says matters."

It is the only word that has the same power and bite that the n word has for black people.

If somebody calls you a racist it's because of something you've either said or done.

If somebody calls a black person the n-word it's because that somebody is a racist.

I'm struggling to understand your point.

 

[nicanica]

Philip DeFranco's take on it (haven't watched, but will now):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMq65CslbZA

I ain't black.

The amount of white people saying another white person saying Nigger isn't a racist if fucking unreal.

"I'm not racist. I just call assholes Nigger to hurt their feelings in my private life."

SMFH at all these youtube personalities.

 

[Darryl M R]

If claiming that someone is not racist was a sport, it would be dominated by white men that never received racial slurs thrown their way.

Black Hokage cant even earn a living from YouTube anymore thanks to PDP.

Black Hokage and his family aren't even able to eat scraps due to the ad pull caused by PDP.

I like most of their chill stuff.

 

[HazySaiyan]

137 fucking page for PewDiePie! LOL!!

 

[yukimeans_snow]

Lirik's hot take is basically that people get offended too easily now and both sides. Dr. Disrespect said that people are too sensitive and to "get over it". CobaltStreak doesn't care about what PDP said. Other than those, I haven't heard anything else.

Add to the list of not being a shitlord:

runJDrun - the son of John Witherspoon (pops from Friday, granddad from the Boondocks) needs a mention because the dude barely swears, plays a wide variety of games, and is just cool as shit.

I don't know how GAF feels about The Black Hokage and The Gaming Illuminaughty, but I think they're worth checking out.

John Witherspoon's son is a streamer? I am interested

 

[Dipship31]

I actually like DeFranco but man, he didn't go in nearly enough on PDP. Disappointing.

I like DeFranco too and I really thought he was going to let him have it. Too bad

 

[Alucrid]

I like DeFranco too and I really thought he was going to let him have it. Too bad

why did you think this?

 

[Dynasty]

I actually like DeFranco but man, he didn't go in nearly enough on PDP. Disappointing.

I take all his opinions with a pinch of salt when discussing YouTubers.

 

[ComradeCoffee]

You on a gaming forum. End of discussion.

There's always more important things to talk about than gaming.

Sure, but if we are gonna have more unejoyable conversations like this, maybe talk about something that matters? video games are what I talk about for fun, if we are gonna talk about something more serious, why only go part of the way?

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Yep the fact that people say "well that's a common phrase said by other people in Pubg so PDP might've just let it slip out" shows that this is worth discussing and condemning. It's an immensely gross part of gaming culture that it gets thrown around so liberally. PDP as one of the biggest gaming celebrities and a grown ass man should learn that as should a lot of gamers.

PDP: "Give me attention! No, make that a career."

Millions of kids: "OK. You're a celebrity for our generation, not beholden to the mainstr-"

PDP: "SEIG HEIL, YOU FUCKING N*******!"

 

[True Fire]

I actually like DeFranco but man, he didn't go in nearly enough on PDP. Disappointing.

Why do you like DeFranco? He's an alt-right douchebag parading as a "moderate," just like the rest.

I literally predicted this response from him like 100 pages ago.

 

[clearestblue]

I like DeFranco too and I really thought he was going to let him have it. Too bad

Why?

 

[mindatlarge]

Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but Fire Watch developers Campo Santo issued DMCA takedowns against PewDiePie and have encouraged other developers to follow suit.

https://www.destructoid.com/firewatch-developers-issue-dmca-takedowns-against-pewdiepie-460293.phtml

Video Game Attorney says they are within their legal right to do so, even though they gave previous consent, that right can be legally revoked at any time.

https://twitter.com/MrRyanMorrison/...dmca-takedowns-against-pewdiepie-460293.phtml

https://twitter.com/MrRyanMorrison/...dmca-takedowns-against-pewdiepie-460293.phtml

 

[Weltall Zero]

Alright, I am out.

Yes you are.

Edit: It is my wrong for saying some of yall need Jesus.

Yes it is.

Always the same thing...bring up faith, people always bringing it down.

Don't feel singled out, happens with a lot of other things like scientology, healing stones, homeopathy, UFOs...

 

[Bahorel]

Part of it is fan worship (my hero can't possible be a bad person) and I think a disappointing amount of people are probably just used to hearing this in private or while gaming and have normalized it.

This. I saw a fan struggling to condemn it and then saying "no I must be misinformed, I'm going to wait til PDP makes a statement before I make a judgement"

Ignorance by choice

 

[Mr. Smiley]

Sure, but if we are gonna have more unejoyable conversations like this, maybe talk about something that matters? video games are what I talk about for fun, if we are gonna talk about something more serious, why only go part of the way?

Click on another thread then?

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I don't really see why that matters, what are you gonna say about him that there should be that many pages? its not like anything he says is very insightful lol. it seems like 100 pages of people saying "he is a racist", "he isn't a racist", "look at those people that don't wanna call him a racist". As someone who is heavily involved in politics it just seems so silly that of all the issues in the world people are spending so much time on this. Seems just like those people who worry about violence in movies and games, or sexuality, they exaggerate the influence on society and freak out when there are better things to do. Though now I've started to do the same thing in wasting my time on talking about him so... make of that what you will xD

Because kids still watch him. Some look at him as some role model.

We got kids having opinions like this little dude in the intro.

 

[ckaneo]

The thing is, how could the n word with the er ever be apart of your vocabulary?

 

[Merc_]

Sure, but if we are gonna have more unejoyable conversations like this, maybe talk about something that matters? video games are what I talk about for fun, if we are gonna talk about something more serious, why only go part of the way?

You could have just posted "who cares" and saved yourself the extra words.

 

[RRockman]

Sure, but if we are gonna have more unejoyable conversations like this, maybe talk about something that matters? video games are what I talk about for fun, if we are gonna talk about something more serious, why only go part of the way?

Dude, what...

This is exactly one thread here. There are literally thousands of threads to talk games in Gaming community and Gaming discussion. If serious stuff bothers you skip the thread. If you want other serious non gaming stuff then go into OT. I think it's pretty simple.

 

[Armadilo]

So what's going to come out of this ?? because this shit is probably going to happen again and again. Gaf doesn't need a 137 page thread for Everytime that he does it.

Something should happen if anything is ever going to change


PewDiePie is garbage but what is going to happen?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I don't really see why that matters, what are you gonna say about him that there should be that many pages? its not like anything he says is very insightful lol. it seems like 100 pages of people saying "he is a racist", "he isn't a racist", "look at those people that don't wanna call him a racist". As someone who is heavily involved in politics it just seems so silly that of all the issues in the world people are spending so much time on this. Seems just like those people who worry about violence in movies and games, or sexuality, they exaggerate the influence on society and freak out when there are better things to do. Though now I've started to do the same thing in wasting my time on talking about him so... make of that what you will xD

Your comment reminded me of a line in a famous poem about becoming a man:

"if you can walk with crowds and keep your virtue;
Or walk with kings, not lose the common touch"

The idea being that you need to always work and learn to relate to the perspective and experiences of people that might have more or less than you and understand where they are. Because there is strength and maturity in mastering the ability to work with and understand people.

You can't just wholly dismiss this guy because "lol better things to do". He's impacting more people on a daily basis than you or I ever will in our "heavy political involvement". For the sake of those he is impacting, we can't afford to snobbishly thumb our nose at him. That's how you lose. Learn to walk with kings, not lose the common touch.

 

[ZeoVGM]

JESUS FUCK.

How are people still getting banned in this thread for the same shit!?

 

[True Fire]

So what's going to come out of this ?? because this shit is probably going to happen again and again. Gaf doesn't need a 137 page thread for Everytime that he does it.

Something should happen if anything is ever going to change

Something is happening. Something has been happening, and every Youtuber is affected by it.

 

[wandering]

I am often surprised by how often I hear my white or my asian friends use "nigga" in passive conversation.

I have not-so-subtly made my displeasure with such behavior known to my acquaintances who do that.

 

[Magwik]

So what's going to come out of this ?? because this shit is probably going to happen again and again. Gaf doesn't need a 137 page thread for Everytime that he does it.

Something should happen if anything is ever going to change

YouTube and Twitch hold the keys. Advertisers may pull out, but at the end of the day it's up to those two to actually take action. And they probably won't.

 

[BiggNife]

You didn't hear it publicly.

Sure, they could've said it in private.

But the argument I'm seeing is that sometimes people just blurt out the n word in public by accident and it doesn't mean someone is racist. I have never ever heard of this kind of scenario until this controversy happened yesterday, yet people are acting like it's just a thing that happens sometimes.

 

[MKIL65]

Sure, but if we are gonna have more unejoyable conversations like this, maybe talk about something that matters? video games are what I talk about for fun, if we are gonna talk about something more serious, why only go part of the way?

Not every topic has to be enjoyable for us to discuss it.

We can talk about multiple things at the same time, so what's the problem?

 

[Dice//]

Philip DeFranco's take on it (haven't watched, but will now):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMq65CslbZA

Yeah it's fair.
I do think a lot hangs on whatever Felix's next 'public statement' will be (and he damn well better say he's sorry). But I'm happy to entertain that maybe Felix isn't racist, just 1000% a big dumb kid with a terrible sense of humour and small and feeble understanding involved some of his world views -- something really unfortunate for someone of his mass appeal and popularity (somehow). It doesn't excuse him and if there's an advertising fallout because of his demeaning language (on more than one occasion) then fine. At this point, I think I'm more concerned about the people defending what was said than the person under heat for saying it; I feel THAT has sparked even uglier discourse about what some people think.

 

[Merc_]

JESUS FUCK.

How are people still getting banned in this thread for the same shit!?

Lots of white folk REALLY want to say "nigger" with zero repercussion.

 

[Mesoian]

If somebody calls you a racist it's because of something you've either said or done.

If somebody calls a black person the n-word it's because that somebody is a racist.

I'm struggling to understand your point.

Exactly. In general, when you are called a racist, it is a reactionary ordeal. No one calls you a racist out of the blue, something must have occurred. That being said, the idea of being called a racist, even after something as painfully obvious as saying racial epithets on a stream being watched by hundreds of thousands, whether you realized it at the time or not (which doesn't matter), people will still flail their arms and stumble and back peddle with, "buts, don'ts, i'm nots", because they understand the connotation of being rightly labeled a racist.

You have to remember, the n word, racist as it is, is a similar sort of title, one given to people considered to be beneath the bearer. It once was reactionary as well, though even in those cases its use was still to berate and belittle. And throughout history, there has never been a word that cuts as deeply for white people as the n word does for black people. There are tons of white pejoratives, but none of them are as nasty or as cutting as the word "nigger".

Except for the word "racist". Because, as stated earlier, if you are found to be a racist, then everything you've done is invalidated. Your opinion (rightly so) no longer matters. This is a good thing, but it's the only outlier in the world we're in right now. If we wanted to be as nasty, as spiteful, as venomous as the ones who would call us that word, we are literally incapable of doing so against those who would oppress us because there literally isn't a word as cutting to use in our language. The only thing we can do is be justifiably defensive.

It's interesting to think about, and that's why when it's used in such casual conversation from people who don't understand the word, it's meaning and how it makes people feel, but they still want to use it because it was in a hip hop video, it pisses people off.

It's closed now, but someone on GAF made a really good thread about the N word. It's worth a read.

 

[ramoisdead]

Sure, but if we are gonna have more unejoyable conversations like this, maybe talk about something that matters? video games are what I talk about for fun, if we are gonna talk about something more serious, why only go part of the way?

There, now you don't have to worry about this thread ruining your video game enjoyment anymore...cuz you're gone.

 

[ebullientprism]

Thanks for this. What a shame, can't say I'm surprised though.

I also know Shroud said something along the lines of 'it's 2017 people, anyone who calls him a racist over the n-bomb is trolling, get over it' & downplayed the whole thing. Ridiculous.

https://clips.twitch.tv/FitAthleticSparrowThunBeast

Hmmmm ya know of all the NA ex CS Pro streamers/players I expected Summit to say something that stupid. And I actually like Summit.

 

[SKINNER!]

I actually like DeFranco but man, he didn't go in nearly enough on PDP. Disappointing.

DeFranco always plays it safe when it suits him. He met PDP so of course he'll dismiss his recent video and be all like "He's not racist you guys. I met him"

Dude sucks

 

[Syf]

maybe talk about something that matters?

This matters a hell of a lot more than most of the threads posted here.

 

[Kinsei]

Yeah it's fair.
I do think a lot hangs on whatever Felix's next 'public statement' will be (and he damn well better say he's sorry). But I'm happy to entertain that maybe Felix isn't racist, just 1000% a big dumb kid with a terrible sense of humour and small and feeble understanding involved some of his world views -- something really unfortunate for someone of his mass appeal and popularity (somehow). It doesn't excuse him and if there's an advertising fallout because of his demeaning language (on more than one occasion) then fine. At this point, I think I'm more concerned about the people defending what was said than the person under heat for saying it; I feel THAT has sparked even uglier discourse about what some people think.

Can we not refer to a 27 year old as a kid? He's a grown ass man.

 

[Mesoian]

No kidding

Method 1 of apologizing for an insensitive word:

or

and then we have Method 2:

+ replace with 'asshole' and move on

Man...I miss Ryan Davis.

 

[Gestault]

So without direct quoting that...performance art, I can just dispel the obvious silliness in it:

A follower of Jesus who puts religion in an adversarial role to any sort of systematic study and collection of knowledge is, frankly, a bad Christian. That's a person who built their house on sand. Academic study/persuit is a check on people who use religion to manipulate others, in a way which is as much benefit to those practicing a religion as those outside of it. Empathy isn't exclusive to the moral philosophy of Christianity (or any particular religion). The disconnection you're talking about from the digital/networked lifestyle isn't necessarily countered by a religious lifestyle, and certainly no more than any human interaction would be, even those you'd think of as being at odds with traditional Christian beliefs.

Saying all this in the context of rationalizing bigoted hatred is effectively the most un-Christian viewpoint one could espouse.

So many of ours youths just go online to troll and being respectful to people by creating endless racist memes.

I like to think this part is where you reveal that you're making a joke. If not, then woof. Talking about the importance of empathy and human connection in the context of defending something at odds with both (on myriad levels) is something so twisted in its premise, even as a joke it's caustic. Shame on you. If you're saying this as a sincere attempt to contextualize what's happening through Christianity? As I said: WOOF.

 

[paperboywriter]

So who of the YouTubeers defended him so far?

 

[Albino_Yeti]

Tried making this joke earlier but the image broke so let's try again.

Mods in this thread:

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I am often surprised by how often I hear my white or my asian friends use "nigga" in passive conversation.

It happens a lot with the latino community. Puerto Ricans especially. We have to stop saying "Negra". I cringe every time I hear it.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

God damn people just keep droppin' in this thread.

 

[RRockman]

Tried making this joke earlier but the image broke so let's try again.

Mods in this thread:

You got it!

 

[Messofanego]

I actually like DeFranco but man, he didn't go in nearly enough on PDP. Disappointing.

He never does. The dude was going both sides for Milo, for heaven's sake. Made several videos on that trash (gotta make that sweet drama money).

 

[Albino_Yeti]

You got it!

Finally lol

 

[Seik]

The thing is, how could the n word with the er ever be apart of your vocabulary?

Would it really makes a difference if he said it with an A instead of ER?

Because to me both are pretty much the same.

 

[RRockman]

He never does. The dude was going both sides for Milo, for heaven's sake. Made several videos on that trash (gotta make that sweet drama money).

I didn't know that at all. The list keeps growing at a rapid pace...

 

[True Fire]

I'm happy to entertain that maybe Felix isn't racist, but DEFINITELY a big dumb kid with a terrible sense of humour and small and feeble understanding involved some of his world views.

I think it's all about context. And in this case, he straight up used the word to express hatred. It wasn't even meant to be a joke.

Also, he's pushing 30.

I agree with the rest of your points though!

 

[Cymbal Head]

Patrick "Patrick Klepek" Klepek fucking going in: https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...d-because-he-was-angry?utm_source=wptwitterus

This is a good article, but I have to disagree with this point:

Campo Santo's decision to use the equivalent of a nuclear bomb on YouTube is extreme, but worries over the slippery slope seem overblown. Don't use that word, and you're okay! It's a low bar.

This attitude makes an unjustified assumption about who defines acceptable discourse. There are people out there who find acknowledging the existence of trans people as abhorrent as many of us find the n-word, and they have access to the exact same set of tools.

Anything that normalizes DMCA takedowns as a means of stifling someone who says something awful gives the "other side" cover to do the same thing back. And when a risk-averse institution that exists on ad sales is the ultimate arbiter, they're going to do what they do and err on the side of allowing censorship in order to quell controversy.

I dearly wish that everyone shared my sense of what is right and wrong to say online, but that isn't and won't ever be the case. I know that Campo Santo's intentions are golden, and I agree with them wholeheartedly that Felix is a piece of shit manchild, but the road to hell, etc.

I think this post could be misinterpreted, so let me say: this isn't both sides-ism. This is a realistic assessment of the political climate and the way media platforms work. YouTube doesn't apportion out the ability to use takedown requests just to the good guys, and even if they did, their definition of "good guy" could and would differ from mine or yours. As it stands, everybody gets to use the same tools.

I know that there is a separate thread for this discussion, but the Klepek piece was posted in this one, so I am responding here. I don't mean to derail, so mods, you can move this post or delete it or whatever if it was made in poor judgement.

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Now to leave work and log off for several hours. If I don't respond to your reply, it's because I'm at home doing chores.