PewDiePie calls someone a "fucking n****r" during PUBG livestream
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Is this Boogies alt?
But this one is mean to "real" people unlike that other that is only touching people I don't know and my black friend that totally exists (she's also my gf from Canada btw) is ok with it!
NHarmonic.
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In the end this reads too much like "we shouldn't denounce this behaviour, we should talk with the racists and bigots and make them feel well so they can change".
Fuck that. We know with republicans and the alt-right how scummy and ignorant they are, fueling this shit everyday, having in their lines the worst trash in humanity, shielded by their always useful "let's blame the liburalss". They are the ones that need to change, and that certainly isn't coming with nice words at all.
Why is it that you guys only show up on forums with leftists and are never out their putting your words into action with the alt right?
Gee, I wonder...
guybrushfreeman
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This whole "using racist slurs is acceptable but calling a person racist is never acceptable" stuff just blows my mind every time. Like, what are you even talking about? Do you even know what you're saying? It's such bizarre nonsense I can't comprehend it
That's not honest at all.
You call racists out for what they are. You're a spineless coward if you don't.
End of discussion.
Frozenprince
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"US vs Them game" yeah and I like it on my side of the fence. The "don't call people the N-word ever" camp.
It's a good camp tbh.
It's a good camp tbh.
I don't understand how there can be a grey area here. Explain the middle of the road on racism.
piratepwnsninja
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If I tell someone they are being a racist and they regret their actions and work to improve their racist behavior, that is the only way things get fixed.
If someone who is being racist doesn't like it and decides not to change and instead digs in, then they deserve to continually be called a racist.
Why is this difficult understand?
Racism just doesnt exist.
Calling someone a racist word.....just anger.
Stop and frisking a person based on skin color.....just safety precautions.
Thinking other races are less intelligent.....just science.
Denying someone a job cause they are black....just business.
Enslaving a group based on race.....just economics.
So what is racism?
Calling someone a racist word.....just anger.
Stop and frisking a person based on skin color.....just safety precautions.
Thinking other races are less intelligent.....just science.
Denying someone a job cause they are black....just business.
Enslaving a group based on race.....just economics.
So what is racism?
AlexFlame116
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Being better requires both parties to agree. Right now the other side is clearly not in the mood for that at the moment.
So what do we do then? Do we just twiddle our fingers and hope that one day they'll see the light? Aren't they hoping for us to do the same?
Labels exists because a group decided to start it. Usually with the intention to insult. I agree that we should be better but right now we are not in a state where we can play the middle card and hope for the best. Hoping and believing require action. If they other side plays dirty then we have to find a way to defend ourselves against that. The word "racist" has been thrown around a lot lately and with good reason. People are starting to either see the truth about others, or the racists themselves are getting bolder because now they have leeway.
And what about the children and teenagers? They're probably having a much worse time than all of us GAFers here. They are easily influenced by the things they see and learn. Who's fault will it be if they go down a wrong path? Sure it will be the enablers but it will also be us for not doing anything about it. We need to start showing that we're not gonna be pushed around anymore. The other side knows it and is getting afraid of that. Yet they persist.
You've been jumped on enough already so let me add to the pile. As soon as PewDiePie said the word he threw his hat into the label maker game. He is player one. When he said the word, he devolved into us vs them. When he said it, he started the whole back and forth. You are excusing him of doing the very thing you're telling us not to do. You're a hypocrite. Is that a bad label for you too?
Gaming has had problems with people using racist and sexist slurs for at least over a decade. Let alone the internet. Trying to ignore it, brush it off, or act like it's normal led to people just considering it "the way it is" and "how things are on the internet".
Palette Swap
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Racist systems also work on the back of moderate collaborators who normalize them. When faced with the biggest streamer in the world saying "fucking n****r" on air, if your reaction is to tone police people criticizing him and cry about the damage the word racism has done, you're complicit.
cripterion
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Same I'm unsubbing from him, what a goddamn pussy ass answer. You would think a man that play basketball in his day would definitely not be ok with calling people niggers and such.. in the heat of the moment? Fuck off.
GHG
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I will say it again...
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If you don't denounce racists then that means you are comfortable with other people being racist. Therefore:
I'm sorry to say, but that makes you racist. There is no "both sides" argument to any of this. This is a scenario where it is impossible to be neutral.
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Basically, these guys are somehow more uncomfortable with the fact that PDP is being called a racist than they are with the n-word having been used by people like PDP. Blows my mind.
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If you don't denounce racists then that means you are comfortable with other people being racist. Therefore:
- It means you are enabling them to be racist again, and again, and again.
- It means you are ok with the fact that people who are the targets of said racism have to continually endure the mental/physical scars and suffering of racism.
- It means you prefer the targets of said racist behaviour feel uncomfortable instead of challenging those who are racist and making them feel uncomfortable... God forbid you question the racists and make them feel uncomfortable.
I'm sorry to say, but that makes you racist. There is no "both sides" argument to any of this. This is a scenario where it is impossible to be neutral.
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Basically, these guys are somehow more uncomfortable with the fact that PDP is being called a racist than they are with the n-word having been used by people like PDP. Blows my mind.
Are white poeple people in the US really having a serious debate about, whether they can use the n-word? In terms of "everybody should have that right"? Like seriously? Because here in Europe I obviously don't experience stuff like that, so I have no idea if there is a serious debate over this. Would be shocked, if true...
Racism is largely premised on the belief that other races are sub-human. When some white people hear the word "nigger" they don't truly believe that it actually affects another human being because that other human being doesn't fully exist for them. However, when they hear a fellow white person called a racist they do feel its impact because the target is actually fully human. It's gruesome, but it is internally coherent.
PDP lives in the UK.
thesonovabeach
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Oh come on, that is bullshit. Last year only we've had at least :
- I Am Not Your Negro, an oscar nominee documentary that briefly explains what this word means to black people in america.
- Mafia 3, a game that sold almost 3 million copies, that go out of it's way to explain that people who say that word are racist assholes that do not believe Black people are human beings and wish slavery was back. And that game takes place in the 60's.
- O.J. : Made In America, a 7 hours oscar-winning documentary that spends at least 3 hours interviewing people about black condition in america, even some that say that "hearing that word is like a knife stab every time".
I am forgetting a lot of recent movies and books here : The Butler, 12 Years A Slave, The Help...
These are absolutely movies that were highly popular internationnally, I've never been in the US and I've seen all of them in theatres.
And besides, what other american movie even democratises that word except for Tarantino movies and maybe NWA Out of Compton ? NONE ! There are almost no movies that make this word "cool" or even acceptable to say by a white person.
So this whole "but american culture told me to use this word" is plain and simple bullshit. People only use this word because they want to.
Labeling everyone you want to be a racist as one is the problem, yes. I hope the strong sense of morale and justification of your existence you get from being on a team is worth never acknowledging why blanket labels are all destructive in the same manner and create barriers you're not going to be able to tear down anytime soon.
The current political climate is the result of tribalism founded in applying and living up to labels. Conservatives live up to the idea they have to support their tribemates even against all other reason to the contrary. It's much easier to develop independent viewpoints by not adhering to any label or group that suggests a view before you've arrived at it yourself.
We disagree. I respect that. Though, the ad hominem attacks/baiting don't affect me a great deal as I am only here to discuss the matter at hand. I can put egos aside and acknowledge the rationale everyone has here. Some I partially agree with, some I only barely agree with, but the vast majority of people here are sincere in their support of anti-racism. That much should be commended even if I think it's a strategy that is less effective than those they are against.
GhostTrick
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Don't play their game. There's no camp. There shouldn't, ever, be a camp when it comes to racism.
It seriously just might.
LincolnTunnel
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What are we supposed to call racist people? People who say or do things that are racist. What should we call them?
Not if advertisers have any say.
Yeah how can we end racism if we stick to labels?! What we need to do is stop calling people racist! That way, nobody will be racist anymore!
It just makes sense!
Why is YouTube putting up with this shit? Why continue to enable this sort of abhorrent, racist bs from their top content creators? It's despicable, it's deplorable and it's totally unacceptable.
I sincerely hope that content creators that continue to enable the kind of rhetoric that we're seeing from certain people should have their revenue cut. They act like entitled, spoiled children who think they can say whatever the fuck they want without any repercussions what so ever.
'So what if it's the most heinous, vile and sexist talk you can imagine? Give me my money, bitch.'
I'm not worried though. Advertisers will get the Thors hammer and these spoiled brats who condone this type of behavior will feel the burn. Make no mistake about that.
Now, to address the content creators on YouTube who doesn't defend the shit that we're seeing from their peers, they have every right to be concerned. They did not ask for this, so it's terrible to see that they are getting dragged down along because of this. It's such a shame. What needs to happen is that YouTube must change from within. Have a dialogue with your content creators. What sort of platform do you want to have?
Google is very stringent with their own Adsense program, so the least you guys can do is to hold some sort of standard for the people that are making a lot of money from your site. It's utterly bizarre to see the display that's occurring at the moment.
I sincerely hope that content creators that continue to enable the kind of rhetoric that we're seeing from certain people should have their revenue cut. They act like entitled, spoiled children who think they can say whatever the fuck they want without any repercussions what so ever.
'So what if it's the most heinous, vile and sexist talk you can imagine? Give me my money, bitch.'
I'm not worried though. Advertisers will get the Thors hammer and these spoiled brats who condone this type of behavior will feel the burn. Make no mistake about that.
Now, to address the content creators on YouTube who doesn't defend the shit that we're seeing from their peers, they have every right to be concerned. They did not ask for this, so it's terrible to see that they are getting dragged down along because of this. It's such a shame. What needs to happen is that YouTube must change from within. Have a dialogue with your content creators. What sort of platform do you want to have?
Google is very stringent with their own Adsense program, so the least you guys can do is to hold some sort of standard for the people that are making a lot of money from your site. It's utterly bizarre to see the display that's occurring at the moment.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I don't know your country but I'm sure you're wrong about that.
What advertisers?
I think he lives in the third reich where there are no black people to be racist towards.
Gnome Scat
Member
That's fair to say, I hadn't thought of it in that light.
As for me defending him, I'm really not trying to. I don't care enough about him as a person to try to make what he said justifiable (and do not think it's justifiable or should be tolerated). I don't know how well the amount I've written on this will bode to that, but it wasn't my focus. I think this situation encompasses something I've seen online which is just massive bandwagoning on heated issues like this and how pointing a finger at someone and calling them "racist" for insensitivity towards the use of racial language, when maybe we shouldn't be so quick to jump the gun on a sentencing that harsh, but instead try to focus on the fact that many gamers (especially large, influential ones) think it's okay to say and how we can work to make positive change in our community.
One thing I do agree with and am glad to be seeing are people not tolerating the casual use of that word as if it were the equivalent to a derogative with no racial background. In my view, the problem here is the de-racialization of the n-word in the gaming community (and outside, too). People need to realize what weight it actually carries, so in that case maybe tearing down someone for using it by deeming them a racist is justifiable.
GhostTrick
Banned
Agreed here. We should be better and stop labelling with the horrible r-word those who label others with the n-word, which is just a word.
yeah, considering the dumb posts we saw earlier in this thread, I should probably precise that this is sarcastic. :")
The companies that pay Google to show their ads on videos.
Countries that believe they are free of racism tend to be the most racist.
The only reason someone would think that is if they had low variety levels of certain races.
PhantomThief
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Tribalism? What tribalism
Do companies pick and choose what videos their ads play on?
I would assume they can say "I don't want my videos on Pewdiepie's channel" and Google will not show them on his videos. But not sure exactly.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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Did Johntron after his pro alt right tirade? Nope. don't except anything from that fucking asshole.
lol "want to be a racist". Dude, if you have a history of saying racist shit then you are a racist and that's really all there is to it. Just like how you're a racist apologist since all you've done in this thread is make excuses and play defense for racism.
You're really not fooling anyone here.
Or they can stop putting them on there in the first place if this is how the face of the website acts with nothing being done
I know I'm a little late and all had been said already but as someone that thought that some of his nazi jokes that got him on trouble were taken out of context, this is just another proof that PDP is not defendible anymore. You can't just justificate this casual racism, at some point is just plain racism even if you yourself don't notice, worst yet if you have an audience. Lots of people in this thread have articulated this perfectly.
More people, especially non-whites which make up 80% of the earth population, should know and realized that there's a substantial group of white racists that don't see them as anymore than cattle.
And that's there's another substantial group of white moderates who is willing to come to their defence and dismiss racism easily.
The world won't change by coddling either group and prioritising their feelings when they messed up or outed themselves, the world will change if the majority held them to basic human decency.
JimmyF
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You forgot "I'm not a racist, but.."
Yup. I imagine this will lead to big shakeups for the site if advertisers start pulling out en masse
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