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[BuggyDClown]

Seems intentional to me. Just added a fourth line and changed around the colours.

Seems entirely plausible its just a lazy accident. They could have had a list that says "green armor with symbols/design"

Also if you want to say it's intentional, notice that they did not add a line or invert colors. The 4 white spaced between the black bars are the 4 white bars. So it's actually the current design. The added piece is the bar above the Ks.

I still think my google search shows the possibility although small of this just being lazy and incompetent. Something we should keep in mind before we go nazi hunting online.

 

[Magwik]

Seems like it. This is from the Bungie website (before it gets nuked).

https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/Item/922218300

They default to green. The pair I was rocking the other day are green, ended up changing them with a shader but you can still see it in the preview:

 

[wandering]

Ok... I need to ask

Why is this a trend?

Has anime been co-opted as well? Or are they just weebs?

There was an article a while back about the alt-right's obsession with anime aesthetics, on mobile right now but I'll try to find it in a.bit

 

[Deku Tree]

Seems entirely plausible its just a lazy accident. They could have had a list that says "green armor with symbols/design"

Also if you want to say it's intentional, notice that they did not add a line or invert colors. The 4 white spaced between the black bars are the 4 white bars. So it's actually the current design. The added piece is the bar above the Ks.

I still think my google search shows the possibility although small of this just being lazy and incompetent. Something we should keep in mind before we go nazi hunting online.

Anybody that copies designs from google lazily the way you are advocating is terrible anyway IMHO.

 

[Vigilant Gambit]

They need to fire the artist that created that, but they won't.

Yet another reason why I'm glad I'm not buying that game.

 

[rataven]

I'm actually curious now, is that green default color of arm armor if you remove shaders off of it?

Yeah, that's the default color, it's not a shader. These dropped for me just last night and I equipped them because I liked the green color. And the totally ridiculous elbow blade. I had no idea what the symbol meant though. Gross.

Wondering what my hunter will have on when I log in tonight...

 

[thepotatoman]

"kek" is WoW speak for "lol".
As with Pepe, I'm tired of harmless things being co-opted as "hate symbols".
Stop just accepting it as the norm.
As for the game, I'm sure you can easily track down who designed what and asking them.

There's an argument to be had about co-opted stuff, but this is very different. It's not about kek but about Kekistan, and Kekistan has always been about white supremacy. No co-opting here at all.

 

[tsundoku]

It looks a lot more like some random designer just making |>| = |<| to me and apparently the armor is a legendary modification of a piece of armor at a lower tier?

was the green shader just added by the waypoint people or is that the default colour of the armor?

it could have been a deliberate homage by some dumb young artist who just thought of it as a sly "cool 4chan reference" without realizing its real world use as a symbol of hate, there are still kids on that website swapping pictures of pepe the frog like its not completely tainted

obviously it was right to change it for being close

 

[ffdgh]

That's one heck of a "coincidence".

 

[CosmicQueso]

Save us from the claims that this wasn't intentional.

You're more transparent than a window.

 

[Aselith]

I take it that Kekistan is a nation of lols?

 

[El_Chino]

They need to fire the artist that created that, but they won't.

Yet another reason why I'm glad I'm not buying that game.

 

[Messofanego]

Seems entirely plausible its just a lazy accident. They could have had a list that says "green armor with symbols/design"

Also if you want to say it's intentional, notice that they did not add a line or invert colors. The 4 white spaced between the black bars are the 4 white bars. So it's actually the current design. The added piece is the bar above the Ks.

I still think my google search shows the possibility although small of this just being lazy and incompetent. Something we should keep in mind before we go nazi hunting online.

What is your google search meant to show to disprove this isn't inspired from the Kekistan flag? I don't see it.

 

[Strakt]

Glad they addressed it asap

 

[DrROBschiz]

By surrendering we give them way more power, we sanction the idea that the logo/symbol/phrase is now racist or whatever they want it to mean.
We give them an open goal to appropriate whatever they want, because we will just surrender it.

And you mention the LGBT, maybe the rainbow flag is their next target, something that the LGBT movement have uses for a very long time as a symbol for their fight and struggle. Will we just allow them to appropriate that or will we fight for it?

I dont think that's how this works

It's far better to let go of those old symbols and comdemn their current use

And form new ones

Trying to paint a co-opted symbol into something positive again is a losing battle

Just ask the ol Confederate flag and Swastika

 

[Tovarisc]

Yeah, that's the default color, it's not a shader. These dropped for me just last night and I equipped them because I liked the green color. And the totally ridiculous elbow blade. I had no idea what the symbol meant though. Gross.

Wondering what my hunter will have on when I log in tonight...

They just reskin it and swap default color scheme.

Most likely.

I doubt you will lose your elbow blade or whole item.

 

[Acerac]

It looks a lot more like some random designer just making |>| = |<| to me and apparently the armor is a legendary modification of a piece of armor at a lower tier?

was the green shader just added by the waypoint people or is that the default colour of the armor?

it could have been a deliberate homage by some dumb young artist who just thought of it as a sly "cool 4chan reference" without realizing its real world use as a symbol of hate, there are still kids on that website swapping pictures of pepe the frog like its not completely tainted

obviously it was right to change it for being close

There are a lot of possibilities of varying likelihoods. That's why I'm a fan of Occam's Razor.

All I can say in response to this situation is... bur.

 

[Gryph]

Ok... I need to ask

Why is this a trend?

Has anime been co-opted as well? Or are they just weebs?

The Alt-Right owes a lot to the tactics and style of Japan's Netto Uyoku, Anime aesthetic is part of the cultural baggage.

 

[Guppeth]

What is your google search meant to show to disprove this isn't inspired from the Kekistan flag? I don't see it.

I think it's meant to show that it shows up if you do a general search for 'green flags', which a lazy person might do when looking for ideas. But no one would use any of those results in their own design without checking what it is first. It could be a flag of a real country, which won't make sense on the in-game item. You could get sued for stealing someone's design. Or it might be a hate symbol.

This is definitely intentional.

 

[thepotatoman]

By surrendering we give them way more power, we sanction the idea that the logo/symbol/phrase is now racist or whatever they want it to mean.
We give them an open goal to appropriate whatever they want, because we will just surrender it.

And you mention the LGBT, maybe the rainbow flag is their next target, something that the LGBT movement have uses for a very long time as a symbol for their fight and struggle. Will we just allow them to appropriate that or will we fight for it?

Are you guys purposefully trying to deflect this into a more defensible discussion about kek because Kekistan is completely indefensible, or are you guys just spouting off before understanding the situation.

 

[tsundoku]

There are a lot of possibilities of varying likelihoods. That's why I'm a fan of Occam's Razor.

All I can say in response to this situation is... bur.

apparently thats the default colour scheme lmao
cant wait to see the fallout on twitter when the artist tries to excuse it

 

[FyreWulff]

Seems entirely plausible its just a lazy accident. They could have had a list that says "green armor with symbols/design"

Also if you want to say it's intentional, notice that they did not add a line or invert colors. The 4 white spaced between the black bars are the 4 white bars. So it's actually the current design. The added piece is the bar above the Ks.

I still think my google search shows the possibility although small of this just being lazy and incompetent. Something we should keep in mind before we go nazi hunting online.

Your search is going to be influenced by this news, nobody's google searches are the same.

Additionally, Bungie avoids direct references to any specific country or even holiday in-game. Their Halloween event isn't called Halloween, but Festival of the Lost. Valentines Day event was called Crimson Days. Christmas event was just SRL the first year and called The Dawning (but still SRL) the next. etc. The only time they've had a country's flag was Nepal, for the charity donations after their disaster.

 

[QuantumBro]

I hope Bungie finds the guy that did this, fires him from his job, and annouce that he was fired (of course, not saying his identity). Devs need to show that this attitude is not tolerated in gaming, and has consequences.

That's not good enough. If they don't shame him publicly (with all his personal info), Bungie is just sending a message that being a white supremacist is okay as long as you don't get caught.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that these guys have a confederate flag proudly waving in their lobby.

 

[Messofanego]

ContraPoints made a great video about decrypting the alt-right and one of the sections was about secret symbols:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx4BVGPkdzk&t=10m8s
Kekistan part:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx4BVGPkdzk&t=14m8s

"When leftists try to point those symbols out, the fascists can always say, 'These gullible SJWs now think that even the OK sign is racist. Is there anything they don't think is racist?'"

"The gullible centrists will be taken right in."

 

[Gryph]

Are you guys purposefully trying to deflect this into a more defensible discussion about kek because Kekistan is completely indefensible, or are you guys just spouting off before understanding the situation.

Gotta agree. Kekistan isn't a "co-opted" meme. it's a directly and purposefully created alt-right object.

Sorry if people you know or love are into it, but you better pull them out of that if you care.

 

[Hesemonni]

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that these guys have a confederate flag proudly waving in their lobby.

Seriously?

 

[jchung55]

They need to fire the artist that created that, but they won't.

Yet another reason why I'm glad I'm not buying that game.

Yeah, lets throw an entire development team under the bus for the mistake of one guy.

Sure showed em

 

[UncleSporky]

By surrendering we give them way more power, we sanction the idea that the logo/symbol/phrase is now racist or whatever they want it to mean.
We give them an open goal to appropriate whatever they want, because we will just surrender it.

And you mention the LGBT, maybe the rainbow flag is their next target, something that the LGBT movement have uses for a very long time as a symbol for their fight and struggle. Will we just allow them to appropriate that or will we fight for it?

Sure, I'm not advocating surrender at all. But what is the actual plan to defend whatever symbol they target next? What would fighting to keep the rainbow flag actually look like? Two sides at a rally waving the same flag at each other? And how would you know you even need to protect it if you aren't digging through their haunts, reading all the vile shit they post, looking for what they're planning next?

I'm just not sure how anyone could stop a symbol from being co-opted, if the co-opters are determined. It's like a form of the Streisand effect.

Is there anything we can take from them? Can we start embracing the use of clover iconography in anti-Trump rallies?

I dont think that's how this works

It's far better to let go of those old symbols and comdemn their current use

And form new ones

Trying to paint a co-opted symbol into something positive again is a losing battle

Just ask the ol Confederate flag and Swastika

Yeah this is kind of where I'm coming from. I don't think it's worked in the past.

 

[Lifeline]

I thought Kek was some twitch meme.

 

[SgtCobra]

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that these guys have a confederate flag proudly waving in their lobby.

What? Bungie?

 

[El_Chino]

That's not good enough. If they don't shame him publicly (with all his personal info), Bungie is just sending a message that being a white supremacist is okay as long as you don't get caught.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that these guys have a confederate flag proudly waving in their lobby.

 

[Acerac]

Seems entirely plausible its just a lazy accident. They could have had a list that says "green armor with symbols/design"

Also if you want to say it's intentional, notice that they did not add a line or invert colors. The 4 white spaced between the black bars are the 4 white bars. So it's actually the current design. The added piece is the bar above the Ks.

I still think my google search shows the possibility although small of this just being lazy and incompetent. Something we should keep in mind before we go nazi hunting online.

It's also plausible that the designs were changed by a alt right hacker without anyone's knowledge! Or, or it is also possible that the game files are corrupted, changing a nonoffensive logo in to one that represents hate.

Theoretically a lot of things could have happened. That said, if I mistakenly use a swastika in art I produced I'd understand the negative feedback. Assuming they are only a thief and not a nazi, they should probably learn that one can get in absurd amounts of trouble for stealing other people's designs.

 

[Revolutionary]

Just curious: is the default color of the gauntlets green?

Pretty sure it's not. Unless I applied a shader without knowing.

 

[Its Quite Toasty]

Your search is going to be influenced by this news, nobody's google searches are the same.

Additionally, Bungie avoids direct references to any specific country or even holiday in-game. Their Halloween event isn't called Halloween, but Festival of the Lost. Valentines Day event was called Crimson Days. Christmas event was just SRL the first year and called The Dawning (but still SRL) the next. etc. The only time they've had a country's flag was Nepal, for the charity donations after their disaster.

Old Russia

 

[Mithos]

Are you guys purposefully trying to deflect this into a more defensible discussion about kek because Kekistan is completely indefensible, or are you guys just spouting off before understanding the situation.

Before today I had never head of the kekistan flag or even seen it.
I'm just saying I don't see it as fighting back/winning by surrendering anything and everything the alt-right points at and declare this is ours and from this day forth it means this awful (to us) thing.

I see the always surrendering thing as loosing and giving them power to turn whatever they may want into something bad.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Jesus wow.

 

[staticneuron]

I can't read the full flavor text but this had to be intentional.

....so few possess it. Own it. Enjoy it. - The Speaker

Must be referring to White privilege. Didn't the Speaker wear all white as well...

Spoiler

Even worse the speaker is suppressed by a criminal illegal alien intent on stealing the light. They wall we built wasn't high enough.

Holy crap.... the more I think about it, I find less humor in the situation.

 

[Dynasty8]

That's not good enough. If they don't shame him publicly (with all his personal info), Bungie is just sending a message that being a white supremacist is okay as long as you don't get caught.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that these guys have a confederate flag proudly waving in their lobby.

Put down your pitchfork...

 

[Acerac]

Before today I had never head of the kekistan flag or even seen it.
I'm just saying I don't see it as fighting back/winning by surrendering anything and everything the alt-right points at and declare this is ours and from this day forth it means this awful (to us) thing.

I see the always surrendering thing as loosing and giving them power to turn whatever they may want into something bad.

Seriously, just because there were a lot of assholes using the Confederate Battle flag doesn't mean we should surrende.........

OH GOD MY BRAIN IT HURTS SO MUCH.

 

[thepotatoman]

I'm actually curious now, is that green default color of arm armor if you remove shaders off of it?

It's the default.

https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/Item/922218300

 

[Guppeth]

Sure, I'm not advocating surrender at all. But what is the actual plan to defend whatever symbol they target next? What would fighting to keep the rainbow flag actually look like? Two sides at a rally waving the same flag at each other? And how would you know you even need to protect it if you aren't digging through their haunts, reading all the vile shit they post, looking for what they're planning next?

I'm just not sure how anyone could stop a symbol from being co-opted, if the co-opters are determined. It's like a form of the Streisand effect.

Is there anything we can take from them? Can we start embracing the use of clover iconography in anti-Trump rallies?




Yeah this is kind of where I'm coming from. I don't think it's worked in the past.

Pepe and kek were small-time and therefore easy to co-opt. You couldn't co-opt a symbol like the rainbow flag because it's huge and known globally.

Kekistan wasn't co-opted anyway. They made it.

 

[rataven]

They just reskin it and swap default color scheme.

Most likely.

I doubt you will lose your elbow blade or whole item.

Yeah, that, or they swap them out with the crucible variant.

 

[Deku Tree]

Seems like it. This is from the Bungie website (before it gets nuked).

https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/Item/922218300

Green is the color used on Bungie's web site ^^^^

Pretty sure it's not. Unless I applied a shader without knowing.

 

[CSJ]

That's not good enough. If they don't shame him publicly (with all his personal info), Bungie is just sending a message that being a white supremacist is okay as long as you don't get caught.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that these guys have a confederate flag proudly waving in their lobby.

This has become a witch-hunt with assumption, it's disgusting.

Imagine if it was an honest mistake, there are too many differences to be so certain.
Also enough similarities that it's obviously the best thing to remove. I also learned something today, that this horrible group exists because I never heard of it.

But I hate that anyone can assume rightly without a shadow of a doubt to go and say something like that, I dread to ever design something I accidentally make a similar logo of, even if I did try to find it. I guess you can put it through a similar image search just to see? I don't know; it's never happened before.

 

[Aselith]

It looks a lot more like some random designer just making |>| = |<| to me and apparently the armor is a legendary modification of a piece of armor at a lower tier?

was the green shader just added by the waypoint people or is that the default colour of the armor?

it could have been a deliberate homage by some dumb young artist who just thought of it as a sly "cool 4chan reference" without realizing its real world use as a symbol of hate, there are still kids on that website swapping pictures of pepe the frog like its not completely tainted

obviously it was right to change it for being close

As if those little shitlords deserve a pass because they're doing it "ironically" or whatever. Fuck them. Wallow around in racism and you're gonna come out of the mudpatch with racism on you.

4chan members know what they are doing, they just want to be edge masters.

 

[ZeoVGM]

That's not good enough. If they don't shame him publicly (with all his personal info), Bungie is just sending a message that being a white supremacist is okay as long as you don't get caught.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that these guys have a confederate flag proudly waving in their lobby.

Is this for real or sarcasm?

 

[Bert409]

 

[BuggyDClown]

Anybody that copies designs from google lazily the way you are advocating is terrible anyway IMHO.

Totally agree, I did say there was the possibility however small that this is lazy and incompetent work. I'm simply attempting to entertain the possibility that there was no malicious intent, and someone was just dumb and bad at their job.

What is your google search meant to show to disprove this isn't inspired from the Kekistan flag? I don't see it.

No my google search is meant to show that if you are like many Americans you have no idea what the fuck that flag is. I don;t even know what a kekistan is. I've never even seen that word before. So like many, if you're lazy or uninspired you might resort to a google search. Anyone at their level dumb enough to do that, is also lazy enough to not look up what the flag they are copying symbols from is.

Your search is going to be influenced by this news, nobody's google searches are the same.

Additionally, Bungie avoids direct references to any specific country or even holiday in-game. Their Halloween event isn't called Halloween, but Festival of the Lost. Valentines Day event was called Crimson Days. Christmas event was just SRL the first year and called The Dawning (but still SRL) the next. etc. The only time they've had a country's flag was Nepal, for the charity donations after their disaster.

Tested the same search on another device in private that I dont own, its still a top search result.

Yes, this is why I was entertaining the idea that it's possible, however small or unlikely that it MAYBE wasn't intended to be malicious. If anything your bottom paragraph proves that, since they didn't take the exact flag, a portion of it, used white spaces as bars instead of the black, and added another bar to the K.

Someone could easily think "if I only ape a portion of this, and just change these two things no one will know". People get design ideas from flags/symbols all the time. If the person did do this, and it was just some countries flag no one would care or possibly notice. It is although not likely possible that someone did this and just so happened to pick the flag of a nazi organization.

 

[Orochinagis]

Literally none of those things are identical. They are very similar though.

Obviously this is not a defense post. But as a designer, and as someone who had not seen this logo before, the thought of accidentally making a logo like this is pretty terrifying since you could just accidentally end your career with a few lines. Especially when this style of logo is fairly trendy (a lot of concept artists use athletic clothing and logos with simple and angular lines as reference).

If it was intentional he should be fired, obviously. But I'll leave it up to Bungie HR to determine if it was intentional.

I want to believe the gauntlets are supposed to represent HAKKE hence the double KK, the green was supposed to be their most recent creations which were green and blue colored variants of grey and orange default colors.

Yet HAKKE default logo is "++" the white stripes and the black stripes make it look from that flag

 

[Mithos]

Pepe and kek were small-time and therefore easy to co-opt. You couldn't co-opt a symbol like the rainbow flag because it's huge and known globally.

I'm not so sure on that as you are, I can definitely something like that happen because we will probably just surrender it and walk away.