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[Revolutionary]

Green is the color used on Bungie's web site ^^^^

I guess I applied a shader!
I was under the impression that legendaries come with a random shader applied anyways, because I've noticed some pieces don't come with ANY equipped. Sure wish I could check the game right now.. lol

 

[Ryck]

Last night I saw a clan called "Land Owning White Males" seemed somewhat inflammatory but also pretty much on point with the current climate of things.

 

[rataven]

Pretty sure it's not. Unless I applied a shader without knowing.

You probably have a variant of these gauntlets. They come in red too, with a different symbol.

 

[Revolutionary]

You probably have a variant of these gauntlets. They come in red too, with a different symbol.

That would definitely explain it. Looking forward to the servers going back up so I can double check.

Edit: Nope, my memory just sucks. I have Road Complex AA1 and the default is green.

 

[BuggyDClown]

It's also plausible that the designs were changed by a alt right hacker without anyone's knowledge! Or, or it is also possible that the game files are corrupted, changing a nonoffensive logo in to one that represents hate.

Theoretically a lot of things could have happened. That said, if I mistakenly use a swastika in art I produced I'd understand the negative feedback. Assuming they are only a thief and not a nazi, they should probably learn that one can get in absurd amounts of trouble for stealing other people's designs.

Reductive argument. I'm not trying to excuse anything here. Only to get people to entertain the possibility that people are dumb and not all evil. Your first two examples are not even similar to how simple and obvious mine is. People fucking steal logos/symbols/design from everything everywhere all the time. People are lazy, uninspired and predictable.

Also comparing this to a swastika although they represent the same things is different. After almost 30 years of my life in the US I'm today seeing this thing as many probably are for the first time ever. So no, it's not the same. As much as you would like it to be, so you can justify your anger.

I'm with everyone here. I think this is nasty, deplorable and unacceptable. Nazis/white supremacists are fucking terrorists and shouldn't be given any room. I also know, that no one here, like myself knows, or can prove for a fact that there was any malicious attempt here. So lets stop all acting like it.

 

[The Jazz Cabbage Master]

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that these guys have a confederate flag proudly waving in their lobby.

lmao some of yall are R E A C H I N G.

 

[Pandy]

They need to fire the artist that created that, but they won't.

Yet another reason why I'm glad I'm not buying that game.

Nice time machine you have there.

 

[Guppeth]

I'm not so sure on that as you are, I can definitely something like that happen because we will probably just surrender it and walk away.

No one surrendered Kekistan and no one cared about Pepe. People love that rainbow flag.

EDIT: also Trump waved it and it didn't die.

 

[Acerac]

I'm not so sure on that as you are, I can definitely something like that happen because we will probably just surrender it and walk away.

Legit, if we are willing to give up a decade old meme and an extremely specific design one would need to go out of their way to make who KNOWS what could be next? These are precious resources that we are quickly running out of.

 

[TurboLibre]

That shit is so blatant, the flavor text may as well have been "light power".

 

[Shifty]

uh
whoops?

Some artist was having a giggle, evidently. At least they responded quickly.

That's not good enough. If they don't shame him publicly (with all his personal info), Bungie is just sending a message that being a white supremacist is okay as long as you don't get caught.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that these guys have a confederate flag proudly waving in their lobby.

Chill, man. Companies aren't in the business of doxxing their own employees.

I swear, GAF can be like victorian london sometimes. Put him in the stocks! Throw things at him!

 

[JeremyEtcetera]

Seems intentional to me. Just added a fourth line and changed around the colours.

If you look at it differently, they didn't add any lines. They used the white spaces in between the "E" which are seen as 4 white lines. The actual "E" on that armor is the green section between the white lines. Whoever made this armor pattern tried to be very clever.

 

[UncleSporky]

Last night I saw a clan called "Land Owning White Males" seemed somewhat inflammatory but also pretty much on point with the current climate of things.

That sounds like a reference to the Louisville thing from last month. Which doesn't make it any less shitty as a message to promote for your clan or whatever.

 

[Man Called Aerodynamics]

Whoa. I recognize those arms, I had a pair. Never heard of the Kekistan thing. Hopefully the artist who thought this was a good idea gets fired.

 

[Acerac]

Reductive argument. I'm not trying to excuse anything here. Only to get people to entertain the possibility that people are dumb and not all evil. Your first two examples are not even similar to how simple and obvious mine is. People fucking steal logos/symbols/design from everything everywhere all the time. People are lazy, uninspired and predictable.

Also comparing this to a swastika although they represent the same things is different. After almost 30 years of my life in the US I'm today seeing this thing as many probably are for the first time ever. So no, it's not the same. As much as you would like it to be, so you can justify your anger.

I'm with everyone here. I think this is nasty, deplorable and unacceptable. Nazis/white supremacists are fucking terrorists and shouldn't be given any room. I also know, that no one here, like myself knows, or can prove for a fact that there was any malicious attempt here. So lets stop all acting like it.

Apologies, I should have presented my point better. While I agree that it may be ignorance instead of maliciousness, the fact of the matter is that the design was implemented. While you are 100% correct that a witch hunt wouldn't be constructive as odder mistakes have happened, I do feel that it would be in the artist's best interest to issue an apology.

I agree that this flag and the swastika are not comparable, but what I wish to communicate is that they are both symbols of hate, and something to be shamed. I'm just saying I'd be begging twitter for forgiveness and use it as an opportunity to go out of my way to distance myself from the alt-right... but I understand, the alt-right buys sneakers too.

We agree on most details, I just think the artist could easily explain themself if it were a mistake, you know? It'd solve most blowback they'd receive.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Looks pretty intentional

uh
whoops?

Some artist was having a giggle, evidently. At least they responded quickly.



Chill, man. Companies aren't in the business of doxxing their own employees.

I swear, GAF can be like victorian london sometimes. Put him in the stocks! Throw things at him!

The guy you're quoting is trolling, you need to recalibrate your sarcasm detector

 

[Lazlo Woodbine]

ouch, really doubt this is a coincidence, hope they get to ass kick the one behind it.

How did something like this go unnoticed within Bungie, have to wonder. I mean wtf.

 

[Vanguard771]

Every time I look at the gauntlets I see the "skip" symbol before anything else. The optimist in me wants to believe that this was just an honest mistake but the similarities are ridiculous and depressing.

 

[Messofanego]

No my google search is meant to show that if you are like many Americans you have no idea what the fuck that flag is. I don;t even know what a kekistan is. I've never even seen that word before. So like many, if you're lazy or uninspired you might resort to a google search. Anyone at their level dumb enough to do that, is also lazy enough to not look up what the flag they are copying symbols from is.

Kekistan is pretty well known among 4chan and leftists aware of alt-right symbols, though. Also, if you click on the Kekistan flag in your google search, it comes from SPLC which details the flags and other symbols used by the white supremacist groups in Charlottesville. Some artist taking inspiration from that flag while searching for "symbols and flags green" would somehow have to not click on the image to avoid the SPLC link and just save it on to their computer as a reference for a Bungie Destiny 2 gauntlet, which beggars belief.

It's the people who are not politically aware that will be confused, which is one of the strategies used by fascists to make the normal people and centrists think the leftists are overreacting.

 

[SafeinSound]

Wow. I don't really know what else to say. No way that's by accident

 

[Ryouji Gunblade]

Did Bungie outsource the vanilla armor designs this time? I'd like to know for future reference/blame.

 

[zoukka]

How did something like this go unnoticed within Bungie, have to wonder. I mean wtf.

What is so weird about that? I had never heard about "kekistan" or whatever the fuck it is before this thread and I'm not the only one by reading it.

 

[Aselith]

It's also plausible that the designs were changed by a alt right hacker without anyone's knowledge! Or, or it is also possible that the game files are corrupted, changing a nonoffensive logo in to one that represents hate.

Theoretically a lot of things could have happened. That said, if I mistakenly use a swastika in art I produced I'd understand the negative feedback. Assuming they are only a thief and not a nazi, they should probably learn that one can get in absurd amounts of trouble for stealing other people's designs.

This is true. People don't think about these things. I think it's highly probably that one of the programmer's cat is a reincarnated Hitler and when the cat rubbed up against him out of love that he got some Hitler dander on him which probably led to him subconsciously putting in white supremecist iconography through no fault of his own. The hacking thing is equally probable. People just do t think about these things before they go spouting off like someone is a racist.

Racism is a very serious accusation. People need to think about these things.

 

[Acerac]

How did something like this go unnoticed within Bungie, have to wonder. I mean wtf.

Who says it went unnoticed? You think a company as big as Bungie doesn't employ any channers?

 

[Weltall Zero]

Chill, man. Companies aren't in the business of doxxing their own employees.

I swear, GAF can be like victorian london sometimes. Put him in the stocks! Throw things at him!

lmao some of yall are R E A C H I N G.

I think they were being sarcastic, i.e. exaggerating what they perceive as already excessive requests for punishing the author. Of course, plausible deniability and all that.

The person that did this definitely needs to be laid off. Considering it was intentional, that it could be construed as hate speech, and how damaging it is to Bungie's reputation, I'm almost sure it would count as fair dismissal.

 

[Rumblebones]

Not a chance that's merely coincidental.

 

[Guppeth]

How did something like this go unnoticed within Bungie, have to wonder. I mean wtf.

I think most people who would recognise this symbol, especially this thinly disguised version, would be shitheads*. Like, if a designer showed me this symbol I'd say 'that's a cool design, designer. Not sure why you look so nervous!' It's not known outside asstwat fuckbastard circles.

EDIT: *and antifascists. So I guess we know that no antifascist activists work on Destiny.

 

[KorrZ]

if a horde types "lol" as an alliance player you will see "kek".

This is what I always thought "kek" was, just old WoW players.

 

[UncleSporky]

Kekistan is pretty well known among 4chan and leftists aware of alt-right symbols, though. Also, if you click on the Kekistan flag in your google search, it comes from SPLC which details the flags and other symbols used by the white supremacist groups in Charlottesville. Some artist taking inspiration from that flag while searching for "symbols and flags green" would somehow have to not click on the image to avoid the SPLC link and just save it on to their computer as a reference for a Bungie Destiny 2 gauntlet, which beggars belief.

It's the people who are not politically aware that will be confused, which is one of the strategies used by fascists to make the normal people and centrists think the leftists are overreacting.

I can't imagine someone making content for a game searching "green flag" and picking something at random from the page. You could be using anyone's flag, anyone's copyrighted image. Content in games needs to be whole cloth unless you're specifically making something drawing from the real world. And even then it needs to be mostly custom made. Can't accidentally use the Pepsi logo or something.

 

[Pejorative]

OMG what a world we're living in..

 

[Shifty]

Looks pretty intentional



The guy you're quoting is trolling, you need to recalibrate your sarcasm detector

GAF broke my sarcasm detector a long long time ago.

Best it can manage these days is recognizing those guerilla/shot themselves in the foot copypasta posts.

 

[Weltall Zero]

How did something like this go unnoticed within Bungie, have to wonder. I mean wtf.

I would assume because nobody in their right mind gives a fuck what 4chan shitheads do. I wouldn't have caught this in a million years. The design was quite subtle in that it removed the more obvious parallelisms with the Nazi flag.

 

[yanipheonu]

I appreciate the irony of vetting an alt right symbol in a game where you team up with sentient robots, purple people and various women of colour.

 

[Lazlo Woodbine]

What is so weird about that? I had never heard about "kekistan" or whatever the fuck it is before this thread and I'm not the only one by reading it.

I hadn't either but that's clearly not the point.

I would of thought its just the done thing to have these sort of designs/assets go through more then one individual or be overseen before implementation...perhaps I'm just being ignorant?

It's a 1:1 of the logo including the colour so I find it difficult to believe this was somehow an accident on part of the artist.

EDIT:

I would assume because nobody in their right mind gives a fuck what 4chan shitheads do. I wouldn't have caught this in a million years. The design was quite subtle in that it removed the more obvious paralellisms with the Nazi flag.

I appreciate the irony of vetting an alt right symbol in a game where you team up with sentient robots, purple people and various women of colour.

Look, lol I get it, it's a shooty shooty bang bang robot game but I would of thought in a huge production like D2 any kind of art assets would of been scrutinised and overseen by multiple people rather then one of the art team who spends all his lunch breaks on r/the_donald.

 

[katsais]

Holy shit. That's way similar. I wonder what artist at Bungie designed these gauntlets.

 

[Bizazedo]

I came in prepared to be a naysayer and be like "Naw, it's fine...."

Nope, it is. Rip it out.

 

[Shifty]

I hadn't either but that's clearly not the point.

I would of thought its just the done thing to have these sort of designs/assets go through more then one individual or be overseen before implementation...perhaps I'm just being ignorant?

Where's the guarantee that one of those individuals is going to be sufficiently dialed-in to internet goings-on to recognize it though?

And 'the done thing' tends to take a backseat to 'get it done now now now' when you have deadlines breathing down the back of your neck. More likely is a glance and a thumbs-up unless the work is blatantly shoddy.

 

[Guppeth]

This is what I always thought "kek" was, just old WoW players.

Some of the shittiest people I ever met were in WoW. And only Alliance players see 'kek', and the shittiest shittiest people were Alliance, at least until the Great Blood Elf Douchebag Temptation Expansion.

 

[TheCthultist]

That's not good enough. If they don't shame him publicly (with all his personal info), Bungie is just sending a message that being a white supremacist is okay as long as you don't get caught.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that these guys have a confederate flag proudly waving in their lobby.

...I seriously can't tell if your joking or just so out of touch with reality that it sounds like you are...

Well, either way, this is fucked up if it was intentional, but at least bungie jumped on it. I hadn't realized "kek" had become a white supremesist thing so this was a nice little wake up call at least.

 

[Anung]

Looks like some of you guys need to watch Contrapoints recent video on this subject.

The whole point of using stuff like this as facist symbols is to be innocuous.

 

[zoukka]

I hadn't either but that's clearly not the point.

I would of thought its just the done thing to have these sort of designs/assets go through more then one individual or be overseen before implementation...perhaps I'm just being ignorant?

It's a 1:1 of the logo including the colour so I find it difficult to believe this was somehow an accident on part of the artist.

The artist might've intended it yes. No not all assets go through tight scrutiny in game companies however, the artists are given responsibility and freedom. And even if they did, it's not like this is a swastika or any other widely known hate symbol, the art director or lead wouldn't probably recognize it even in its original form let alone this version that isn't even a straight copy.

So yeah someone might be a closet racist in the company, but Bungie as a whole is not to blame at all here.

 

[Audioboxer]

People actually think there isn't even a 1% chance this was an unfortunate coincidence? The brain seeks patterns, and if you're familiar with something you'll often see it in places it doesn't actually exist. Just a vague set of iconography that you connect together to see something you feel you see. The colours are the same! There's a letter that is the same! There is the use of a line! I admit I can see how people are seeing it, but without the flag image next to it and people pointing out what bit is what... Yeah.

I mean, can anyone remember "Jesus toast" from the early internet days? Sure, someone's toaster made a bit of toast that vaguely looked like it had Jesus on it and it goes viral or sells on eBay. The brain and eyes do most of the magic connecting dots with imagery. People see things in the clouds, in water, on roadside brick patterns, etc.

It's being removed anyway as far as I can tell. The 100% certainty Bungie were invaded by a designer that is 100% guilty of hate crime and needs fired asap is just a bit over the top. It's patched out, and Bungie can ask around internally, but don't be surprised if it was a coincidence.

 

[Mithos]

No one surrendered Kekistan and no one cared about Pepe. People love that rainbow flag.

EDIT: also Trump waved it and it didn't die.

Maybe you're right, and maybe I'm wrong we will know sometime.,
But them trying and loosing the battle because we'll fight it, that's a god thing.

 

[thepotatoman]

Literally none of those things are identical. They are very similar though.

Obviously this is not a defense post. But as a designer, and as someone who had not seen this logo before, the thought of accidentally making a logo like this is pretty terrifying since you could just accidentally end your career with a few lines. Especially when this style of logo is fairly trendy (a lot of concept artists use athletic clothing and logos with simple and angular lines as reference).

If it was intentional he should be fired, obviously. But I'll leave it up to Bungie HR to determine if it was intentional.

Well, as someone who did know about the Kekistan thing before this incident, I saw the image in the Destiny 2 OT and I immediately saw it as a reference before ever reading anything. It really does not feel coincidental.

It doesn't help that Destiny 2 is not a game where those sorts of simple angular lines or neon colors show up very often. I guess they felt it fit the style of the game enough to get approval, but seems weird that one of the few times it shows up it happens to have a ton of similarities in both color and shapes. It'd be a lot easier to think it's coincidental if it was a type of game where there's a lot of that type of design.

I suppose it's worth keeping in mind that it might be coincidental, but I think it's a very, very small chance. As a designer, would you agree it's a lot more likely than not it was intentional?

 

[OverBlood 3]

I highly doubt it was intentional, it looks like two military rank insignias with lines connecting them or the line thing is a different rank(?). It's an unfortunate coincidence but it's probably best they took it out.

 

[Aselith]

People actually think there isn't even a 1% chance this was an unfortunate coincidence? The brain seeks patterns, and if you're familiar with something you'll often see it in places it doesn't actually exist. Just a vague set of iconography that you connect together to see something you feel you see. The colours are the same! There's a letter that is the same! There is the use of a line! I admit I can see how people are seeing it, but without the flag image next to it and people pointing out what bit is what... Yeah.

I mean, can anyone remember "Jesus toast" from the early internet days? Sure, someone's toaster made a bit of toast that vaguely looked like it had Jesus on it and it goes viral or sells on eBay. The brain and eyes do most of the magic connecting dots with imagery. People see things in the clouds, in water, on roadside brick patterns, etc.

It's being removed anyway as far as I can tell. The 100% certainty Bungie were invaded by a designer that is 100% guilty of hate crime and needs fired asap is just a bit over the top. It's patched out, and Bungie can ask around internally, but don't be surprised if it was a coincidence.

They should be hunting down the responsible party so that they can side eye the shit out of that person. Do you really want to have that liability on your hands? Fuck no. Don't necessarily have to fire them but make a paper trail in case of another "mishap"

Yeah some of the comments on this thread are pretty damn insane. No artist is this fucking stupid to risk their entire career for a small nod to something they might or might not like.

Everyone here is reaching at straws in how it's similar and the methods used to make different but similar. Such as using the gaps instead of the lines for the 4 lines in the armor.

This is probably a coincidence and actually has nothing to do white supremacists at all.

Racists can't help themselves sometimes. That hate builds up inside and it needs an outlet. Plus, if you think you're slick, you don't expect to get caught.

 

[Blam]

People actually think there isn't even a 1% chance this was an unfortunate coincidence? The brain seeks patterns, and if you're familiar with something you'll often see it in places it doesn't actually exist. Just a vague set of iconography that you connect together to see something you feel you see. The colours are the same! There's a letter that is the same! There is the use of a line! I admit I can see how people are seeing it, but without the flag image next to it and people pointing out what bit is what... Yeah.

I mean, can anyone remember "Jesus toast" from the early internet days? Sure, someone's toaster made a bit of toast that vaguely looked like it had Jesus on it and it goes viral or sells on eBay. The brain and eyes do most of the magic connecting dots with imagery. People see things in the clouds, in water, on roadside brick patterns, etc.

It's being removed anyway as far as I can tell. The 100% certainty Bungie were invaded by a designer that is 100% guilty of hate crime and needs fired asap is just a bit over the top.

Yeah some of the comments on this thread are pretty damn insane. No artist is this fucking stupid to risk their entire career for a small nod to something they might or might not like.

Everyone here is reaching at straws in how it's similar and the methods used to make different but similar. Such as using the gaps instead of the lines for the 4 lines in the armor.

This is probably a coincidence and actually has nothing to do white supremacists at all.

I can guarantee a white supremacist wouldn't make it into Bungie regardless, they have a bunch of extensive background checks which can most definitely find things like this out before they are even hired.

edit: I stand corrected.

 

[AtkO]

"Not intentional"

L O fucking L

Whoever is on your art team, you better take a hard look and purge them from your studio.

Not intentional by the studio not by the artist, which is totally true. Better get down from that horse before you break your neck.

 

[Weltall Zero]

I hadn't either but that's clearly not the point.

That kind of is entirely the point. It's odd of you to assume someone else should have knowledge you didn't have until five minutes ago.

I would of thought its just the done thing to have these sort of designs/assets go through more then one individual or be overseen before implementation...perhaps I'm just being ignorant?

I would say you're being a bit "provincial". Most normal people aren't aware of the existence of 4chan, let alone keep afloat of every piece of shit they produce. How many people should you show something, on average, to have one of them detect its similarities to an obscure piece of alt-right imagery?

It's a 1:1 of the logo including the colour so I find it difficult to believe this was somehow an accident on part of the artist.

That's an entirely different argument from the one above.

 

[Acerac]

Maybe you're right, and maybe I'm wrong we will know sometime.,
But them trying and loosing the battle because we'll fight it, that's a god thing.

Pick your battles. Some recoveries aren't worth it, even if a symbol originally represented good luck.

I can guarantee a white supremacist wouldn't make it into Bungie regardless

Bur.