If you wanna think about it like if you use the discounts enough then you'll have broken even
You're playing for the use of their online system, everything else is just an added incentive
I completely forgot you have to pay to play online on consoles
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If you wanna think about it like if you use the discounts enough then you'll have broken even
You're playing for the use of their online system, everything else is just an added incentive
ScaryShark
Banned
I know this is a stealth virtues of PC thread and I don't want to stop the momentum when it's just getting good but I know for a fact that as a heavy user that Plus gets more than paid off for via the discounts it supplies every year.
As was said, Nintendo has said that not all games will be subject to the online fee so I imagine they're including things like that.
I don't mind too much. I like the ps+ games and I play a lot of online games with friends so I feel like I get my money's worth.
I'll have to look around a bit more carefully when I renew in January though, turn off autorenew and see if I can find it cheaper than the currently increased price.
I'll have to look around a bit more carefully when I renew in January though, turn off autorenew and see if I can find it cheaper than the currently increased price.
Gravy Boat
Member
I pay it because I have to if I want to play online, which i do daily. Its like £40 a year, its a negligible sum of money for me.
And yeah the discounts mean I end up spending less overall.
And yeah the discounts mean I end up spending less overall.
Malcolm9
Member
It's less than £5 a week if you shop around, I bet most spend more than that on alcohol/cigarettes/junk/other hobbies etc per week.
I could sit and complain why Sky charge me extra to have the sports or movies package, it's just a service these days alongside most things. If you don't play online enough then the value may not be great for you, but for others playing online, having "free games, discounts etc is more than enough.
For the money I pay, I get way more back even if I don't like every "free" game given as part of PS+.
I could sit and complain why Sky charge me extra to have the sports or movies package, it's just a service these days alongside most things. If you don't play online enough then the value may not be great for you, but for others playing online, having "free games, discounts etc is more than enough.
For the money I pay, I get way more back even if I don't like every "free" game given as part of PS+.
Stiler
Member
This is what annoys me so much about playing on consoles.
I usually game on my pc mostly but from time to time I'll get a game for my ps4 or xbox, then when I do I end up having to either fork over extra money to play the mp portion or just skip it entirely instead to save myself the money.
It's becoming more and more of annoyance, especially when you can play games freely on pc.
It'd be one thing if you could buy it for "x" time played, or pause your sub, because I tend to only play like a few weeks/month at a time and then come back when I get a new gam eor something. Feels so wasteful getting multi-month subs when I know the majority is not going to be used for actual playing.
I usually game on my pc mostly but from time to time I'll get a game for my ps4 or xbox, then when I do I end up having to either fork over extra money to play the mp portion or just skip it entirely instead to save myself the money.
It's becoming more and more of annoyance, especially when you can play games freely on pc.
It'd be one thing if you could buy it for "x" time played, or pause your sub, because I tend to only play like a few weeks/month at a time and then come back when I get a new gam eor something. Feels so wasteful getting multi-month subs when I know the majority is not going to be used for actual playing.
PerfectFlaw
Member
Eh. I'm subscribed to PS Plus and Gold both till 2021. I enjoy both services and the games enough that dropping 120 bucks on each service to forget about them for years was a pretty easy decision.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I asked the same question before too, and the answers revolve around excuses like well its cheap so its ok, you get free games with it, free online is a privilege not an entitlement
Its because console networks started off horribly and because of all the cohesion that paid subscription models brought that it ended up acceptable
It happened gradually after Live originally turned what was once a disparate console networks with varying quality into a consolidated service that promoted higher quality connections and implemented great match making and messaging systems. Live looked like the future of online community compared to everything else, except that you could sort of frankenstein together similar functions on PC.
Once Sony managed to duct tape PSN together it also managed to bring similar features.
Compare that to the 'all digital' future and 'always online' and you'll see that console owners also resist certain things as vehemently as PC does paid online.
It happened gradually after Live originally turned what was once a disparate console networks with varying quality into a consolidated service that promoted higher quality connections and implemented great match making and messaging systems. Live looked like the future of online community compared to everything else, except that you could sort of frankenstein together similar functions on PC.
Once Sony managed to duct tape PSN together it also managed to bring similar features.
Compare that to the 'all digital' future and 'always online' and you'll see that console owners also resist certain things as vehemently as PC does paid online.
Malcolm9
Member
Edit: I didn't read properly.
bitbydeath
Member
I love it when the "but free games" card is played.
Nobody complained about paying 50 Bucks to receive free games (also, if I pay 50 Bucks for it, isn't it more a glorified humble bundle than free stuff?).
We are complaining about having to lay down 50 Bucks in order to get multi-player with people who are not in the same room as you are. Its annoying as fuck.
Nobody complained about paying 50 Bucks to receive free games (also, if I pay 50 Bucks for it, isn't it more a glorified humble bundle than free stuff?).
We are complaining about having to lay down 50 Bucks in order to get multi-player with people who are not in the same room as you are. Its annoying as fuck.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I am talking about paying to play online?
Malcolm9
Member
I know that, I commented on the free internet bit but I realised you were quoting so edited my comment.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Never bothered me personally, at all. I'd prefer free but the same can be said for anything I enjoy.
It's a minor sum per month and affords me a lot of entertainment, with the side benefit of getting a few games each month and additional discounts that help offset the cost.
The games are neat because they're often ones I wouldn't have bought myself for the price they are in the store, but have an interest in and other times smaller games I've never heard of but have enjoyed.
This topic reeks of "urgh, I just looked down upon the peasants for the first time in years, how do they live like that" with the tone it sets. Not sure why a thread was necessary unless you actually had a mental block about how people are able to pay £6/m on a form of entertainment.
It's a minor sum per month and affords me a lot of entertainment, with the side benefit of getting a few games each month and additional discounts that help offset the cost.
The games are neat because they're often ones I wouldn't have bought myself for the price they are in the store, but have an interest in and other times smaller games I've never heard of but have enjoyed.
This topic reeks of "urgh, I just looked down upon the peasants for the first time in years, how do they live like that" with the tone it sets. Not sure why a thread was necessary unless you actually had a mental block about how people are able to pay £6/m on a form of entertainment.
Imagine my face when I tried to play horde mode in Gears 4 offline and not only you are unable to do that, but also you need Gold membership, even if you do not want to play with others (I used to play a lot offline in my 360 days).
Then they will be like "why is our game not selling that well?" So I refuse to even "accept" that free gold month. Fuck it, if this mode requires internet, at least let me play alone without your shitty subscription.
And I am even more surprised this topic does not get more attention. It is probably one of the worst decisions ever made for this franchise.
Then they will be like "why is our game not selling that well?" So I refuse to even "accept" that free gold month. Fuck it, if this mode requires internet, at least let me play alone without your shitty subscription.
And I am even more surprised this topic does not get more attention. It is probably one of the worst decisions ever made for this franchise.
I'm moving to PC soon due to this.
My PS+ membership elapsed and I did not miss it one bit with the exception of the ability to play online.
Then I realized most of those games are on PC and chose to make the leap this year.
Basically for me to play Destiny 2 on my PS4, I would need to fork over $120 total for the game & PS+ subscription just to play the gimped version at 30fps. No thanks.
My PS+ membership elapsed and I did not miss it one bit with the exception of the ability to play online.
Then I realized most of those games are on PC and chose to make the leap this year.
Basically for me to play Destiny 2 on my PS4, I would need to fork over $120 total for the game & PS+ subscription just to play the gimped version at 30fps. No thanks.
SoraNoKuni
Member
It occured to me just yesterday, I've converted to PC gaming the last 4 years and when a friend of mine told me he got psn plus instead of persona 5 because of online I had a jawdrop moment.
25 quids for Live or Plus and if live where? I'm renewing my gold soon.
I think my PS+ expires again at the end of this month, good riddance. I only resubscribed because I got that cheap Canadian deal for $35 or whatever it was, ridiculous that they want $60 a year for their shitty service. Download speeds off PSN are insanely slow compared to Steam (0.5-1.5 MB/s vs 28 MB/s for Steam) and the vast majority of free games are Indie games I already have on PC, I wont be missing it.
Yeah, it's why I don't play games online on consoles when the feature is locked behind a paywall. Been PS+ sub free for years now, and never got a Live Gold sub either. Will probably not get the Nintendo one either.
That is of course, unless someone gives me a holiday present or something with a code on it. Free is free after all. But i'll never pay for them with my own money. (This business model is also why i'm greatly disappointed in the platform choices for MH World in addition to the split playerbases, where said playerbase is going to be concentrated, and delayed PC version).
Also the same reason i'm waiting for the PC version of Destiny 2.
That is of course, unless someone gives me a holiday present or something with a code on it. Free is free after all. But i'll never pay for them with my own money. (This business model is also why i'm greatly disappointed in the platform choices for MH World in addition to the split playerbases, where said playerbase is going to be concentrated, and delayed PC version).
Also the same reason i'm waiting for the PC version of Destiny 2.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
yeah, i can't bring myself to do it anymore
SoulUnison
Banned
This is why I no longer multiplayer game on consoles.
I get the urge for maybe a handful of hours every couple of months, but I have to pay for a full month for the privilege of basically using my own internet connection for one day on one weekend.
I only buy multiplayer heavy games on PC, now.
Consoles are for single player exclusives.
Yeah, doesn't matter if it comes out to mere dollars a month, always thought it was pretty stupid. And AFAIK it only flies in the gaming industry.
For most software on Windows, if I buy a license outright I don't have to pay again to utilize any sort of basic online functionality. The vendor assumes the costs of maintaining all of that (servers, security, etc), as is expected.
For most software on Windows, if I buy a license outright I don't have to pay again to utilize any sort of basic online functionality. The vendor assumes the costs of maintaining all of that (servers, security, etc), as is expected.
endlessflood
Member
Unfortunately, last gen one of the consoles had paid online gaming, and one had free online gaming. Everyone with the paid online service said how great it was, and how they were happy to pay for it. They did pay for it.
And here we are.
And here we are.
JimmyRustler
Member
Yeah, I was considering to get Destiny 2 but then remembered that most features on the game require PS+, so I basically need to pay 120 EUR to play the game. Nah...
Haven't paid for Xbox Live since Halo 4 and stopped paying for PSN after Destiny: House of Wolves expansion. As much as I've enjoyed Splatoon 2 on my Switch, I doubt I'll be paying Nintendo for their service either.
I have a capable pc and can get most of the online multiplayer offerings there and just don't feel it's worth it for me personally.
I have a capable pc and can get most of the online multiplayer offerings there and just don't feel it's worth it for me personally.
GasProblem
Member
Would like PSPlus to be cheaper. I do like the discounts and "free" games though.
My PC broke. Constant BSOD, would disconnect from the internet now and then, only boots up in safe mode now. Love consoles for the fact that they're mostly bullshit free. Will go back to PC gaming if I have the money to drop 1000 on a PC, which won't be soon. Really tired of PC's atm.
My PC broke. Constant BSOD, would disconnect from the internet now and then, only boots up in safe mode now. Love consoles for the fact that they're mostly bullshit free. Will go back to PC gaming if I have the money to drop 1000 on a PC, which won't be soon. Really tired of PC's atm.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Where is this argument in the thread?
| Praxis |
Banned
Haven't paid for online in almost two years, doubt I will ever pay for it again either.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Oh, so it was just a smug circlejerk post.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
Becuase consoles opreate on solar energy.
GearDraxon
Member
Yui's Empire
Member
It is one of the reasons I don't want to buy all consoles. I have an X1, but getting a PS4 would mean needing to pay PS Plus when I'd rarely use it considering I'd mostly play third parties on X1 anyway. I can live with a cheapish Nintendo subscription when it arrives but Xbox Live Gold + PS Plus is a no-no.
I don't find them fascinating, they're just lower prices. Take FFIX for example, £16.99 on release day, but £13.59 for PS+ members. Makes sense to me.