BrokenJohnCena
Member
ok,so both of them are online focused multiplayer games
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
What makes you say that?
Gotdatmoney
Member
I agree with this.
Were debating but its not really going to be a contest when all is said and done. The 3DS games did well but 3DS was shit in the West. Now its going to be on 3 system that are not shit in the west with way bigger install bases. I wonder how this will turn out 🤔
Concurrently, XX would have sold fuck tons on Switch if they localized it. But you know, Capcom gon Capcom.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Probably 3 platforms vs 1.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Obviously this is a japanese sales thread about japanese sales so that's the most relevant factor but. . . 3DS was weak in the West. The 3 platforms Monster Hunter World are on are not weak in the West. It's not going to be a tough task outselling a 3DS game.
lyrick
Member
Which west are you talking about?
The 3DS is at 67M units worldwide, 23M are Japan, so ~44M are in the West. How is 44M units considered weak?
NintendosBooger
Member
Because the PS4 brand and userbase is greater in the West, plus the MHW presentation in conjunction with the PS4 is more conducive to mass TV advertisement and sophisticated marketing placement unlike the 3DS.
I have no doubt it will sell big in its first month but this will be a heavily front-loaded game, IMO, because outside of maybe Elder Scrolls Online PvE games aren't as widely consumed on consoles as opposed to your typical PvP fanfare spearheaded by first-person shooters, plus when early adopters realize how much grinding is involved a lot of them will gradually phase out.
My final guess is that MHW will be the best-selling MH to date and the series will taper-off significantly in the West after it.
Gotdatmoney
Member
The ratio of sales between Japan and the West is heavily slanted towards Japan compared to previous Nintendo handhelds. The system has sold less in the West than the PSP with less competition as far as dedicated hardware is concerned.
It was still a successful system but it didn't grab the Western market as strongly as Japan or previous Nintendo handhelds for that matter.
(This is not really a Media Create topic)
Now look up 3rdparty software sales in the west. This will be the why the Switch has much more potential than the 3DS on a global level. There where few 3rdParty hits on the system considering its install base.
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
We have no indication that it will sale well until we get GameStop or somebody else to give us info on preorders unless you want to use YouTube views as some kind of metric.
lyrick
Member
That's an awfully slanted frame of reference that doesn't take the larger market shifts toward mobile devices into account. When looking across all dedicated console platforms it would seem that there is an overall loss of growth in existing/developed gaming markets which some companies are offsetting by further expanding to more diverse european zones/ Americas(Central/South) / Africa.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Eh, I didn't even mention software sales. Especially third party software in the West. The system didn't have many breakout third party hits. Yes there was mobile growing but mobile is bigger now than ever, do you expect Switch to perform worse than 3DS im the West or really outside Japan? I don't. Mobile has always been bigger in Japan compared to NA and EU yet the 3DS was by far strongest in Japan. I don't think mobile was the biggest reason the 3DS declined. I just think it was Nintendo's worst handheld and that was reflected in Western markets.
3DS sold more in the west than Xbox One has. So how is one shit and the other not?
NintendosBooger
Member
It passes the eye test.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I think I disagree with this assessment as the switch is not a pure handheld and I think that's a large contributor to it's success in the west.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Japan: 3DS > MHW
West: MHW > 3DS
Total: 3DS > MHW
West: MHW > 3DS
Total: 3DS > MHW
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
How was it Nintendo's worst handheld.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Xbox One Launch Date - Nov 22, 2013
3DS Launch Date - Feb 26, 2011
The Xbox One is only strong in like 3 markets. It's just that 1 of those markets is by far the largest and the other is like top 5 in the world. Just by being strong in the US and UK the XB1 becomes a very relevant platform for games trying to break into the Western market. Also compare 3rd party software sales on the XB1 and 3DS in the West.
BrokenJohnCena
Member
it really was,actually,even though it was considered a good selling console ww.
Sammy Samusu
Member
And at the end of the day it doesn't matter if MHW is a success or not. The next game should hit Switch as well. Unless logic fails Capcom (and that wouldn't surprising).
I'm unbothered.
I'm unbothered.
It's a Pro (low weekly traffic) at a very high price. I can't imagine it was very many.
It'd probably be at or less than the XXS bundle.
If MH World succeeds, then I don't see any logical business reason to bother developing something on Switch as well.
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
He said worst handheld not worst selling handheld. So how was it it's worst handheld.
Even launch aligned, 3DS outsold Xbox One in the west. And while 3rd party sales are good on the platform, Japanese 3rd parties specifically haven't done that well on it in the west. In fact they've also generally done better on 3DS in the west too.
If the goal is expansion and making money I don't see why you wouldn't.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
The domestic fanbase that prefers to play on handhelds? Your essentially arguing of this game succeeds on PS4 I don't see the logical reason on developing for the pc and xb1. Gee I wonder why.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I agree with you that the Switch being the markets first true hybrid definitely complicates things. The console portion of it definitely boosts its appeal in the West. But Nintendo consoles haven't really been a solid source of huge sales bar the Wii. The handheld line are all successful. That's mainly why it's more important a comparison with the 3DS occurs compared to the WiiU. You could compare it to the Wii though and I would be down with that.
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
If the system becomes the top selling piece of hardware this generation in Japan why wouldn't they want that money.
I disagree because I believe the vast majority of switch users treat it as a handheld. I am sure there is a minority that like to play it on the big screen but don't think that would have had an effect on its sales so far. Nintendo launched a hd handheld with a critically acclaimed game and followed up with games/ports of popular games from the Wii U. I believe switch would have been just as successful if it was just a handheld and didn't come with a dock for tv play.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Just be clear, I'm thinking MHW G for all platforms, including Switch.
In that case, we are talking about what could potentially be the best selling version of future Monster Hunter games. Switch would give players both handheld (Japan) and console (West) experience.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I don't think that'a true at all. In fact the one will data point we have is a poll that implies the vast majority use it with in the house.
I find it extremely unlikely that the majority of people that used the switch in their house have never bother to plug it into the tv. Some sure but I imagine most make use of both form factors.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Probably correct given the 3DS definitely was more relevant in more western markets. 3DS was still comparatively to other Nintendo systems though. Would it make you feel better if I said Xbox One is weak outside of like 3 or 4 regions? I don't really think the system is performing well either frankly but the markets its strong in are like 2-3 biggest Western markets.
This isn't really about the Xbox One and Japanese games (even thougb I explained why I think MH will perform closer to FF, Resident Evil and Dark Souls than other titles). It's about the 3DS being weak in the West. It isn't anywhere close to the XB1 at selling 3rd party software. You have to put an asterisk beside the comparison to even have the 3DS in the conversation.
You can call the XB1 weak in the West and it really doesn't change anything. You have 2 strong platforms and 1 weak platform strong in 2 huge markets. Okay, point still stands.
Yep. Maybe I wasn't clear but I meant that developing something exclusively on Switch will not make sense. Switch will get the expanded version or a portable version based on World, and not an exclusive Monster Hunter developed from scratch.
Capcom is pretty desperate in hoping World to succeed big-ly worldwide, as they don't have much left (Street Fighter and Resident Evil are both underperforming). Monster Hunter will become the next multiplatform franchise so an exclusive entry on Switch seems unlikely at this point.
Gotdatmoney
Member
There is no way anyone knows this so it's largely not worth the speculation. It's a hybrid. The appeal is being able to do either. What the people who bought it use it for is largely irrelevant.
All we can say is that the West likes stationary consoles more than Japan. That's about it.
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The discussion we are having is good but I dont really know if it's on topic? I didn't mean to derail (again)
fredrancour
Member
Sounds like Nintendo should release a robust activity log tracking what mode things get played in!
It's not just holidays. You'll see many games underperforming in the weeks between. This situation won't stop at September as it seems.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I imagine they know this but don't really wabt to releasw it to the general public for tge exact reason we want it in the first place.
That said, a WiiU like activity log would be hype.
Depends on the game. Big single player games like Zelda or Rabbids, and on couch multiplayer titles like Mario Kart and Overcooked get played way more on the TV for me.
Games that are more pick up and play like Disgaea, Tetris, and other Indie games like Thumper get handheld mode almost exclusively.
Bruno MB
Member
PREDICTION LEAGUE OCTOBER 2017
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Sep 25 to Oct 29):
[NSW + 3DS] Fire Emblem Warriors (32 days) -
[PS4] Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen (25 days) -
[3DS] Mario & Luigi: RPG1 DX (25 days) -
[PS4] Gran Turismo Sport (11 days) -
[PS4 + PSV] Itadaki Street: Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary (11 days) -
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (3 days) -
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Deadline: September 27 2017 09:00 am (EST)
Attention:
Rules:
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Sep 25 to Oct 29):
[NSW + 3DS] Fire Emblem Warriors (32 days) -
[PS4] Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen (25 days) -
[3DS] Mario & Luigi: RPG1 DX (25 days) -
[PS4] Gran Turismo Sport (11 days) -
[PS4 + PSV] Itadaki Street: Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary (11 days) -
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (3 days) -
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Deadline: September 27 2017 09:00 am (EST)
Attention:
- Remember for some games it's not only the 1st week.
- Multiplatform entries are the combined available sales of each platform described.
Rules:
- Do not edit your post after the deadline. If you do, you'll be disqualified.
- The official monthly hardware sales will be the sum of weekly numbers for all versions of the system available from Famitsu.
- The official monthly software sales will be the latest total or the sum of the weekly numbers if the title is release before the period available from the Famitsu Top 30.
- The official monthly sales for multi-platform releases will be the combined available sales of each platform shown in the title entry.
- The official monthly sales for games with multiple versions will be the combined available sales of each version shown in the title entry.
- Any game missing in the Famitsu top 30 will be taken out of the predictions.
PREDICTION LEAGUE OCTOBER 2017
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Sep 25 to Oct 29):
[NSW + 3DS] Fire Emblem Warriors (32 days) - 210.987
[PS4] Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen (25 days) - 54.321
[3DS] Mario & Luigi: RPG1 DX (25 days) - 98.765
[PS4] Gran Turismo Sport (11 days) - 210.987
[PS4 + PSV] Itadaki Street: Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary (11 days) - 56.789
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (3 days) - 345.678
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Sep 25 to Oct 29):
[NSW + 3DS] Fire Emblem Warriors (32 days) - 210.987
[PS4] Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen (25 days) - 54.321
[3DS] Mario & Luigi: RPG1 DX (25 days) - 98.765
[PS4] Gran Turismo Sport (11 days) - 210.987
[PS4 + PSV] Itadaki Street: Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary (11 days) - 56.789
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (3 days) - 345.678
I'm leaning more and more to the idea that MHW is just a stop-gap game until MH5. Capcom didn't want to go another year without a new game and are now using the "world" branding as cover for loses in Japan.
I'm just not seeing anything in these gameplay videos that would make anyone in the west (besides that already avid fans) want the game. Dragon's Dogma had more appeal and even if MHW matched that game in the west, it would be a far cry from the were it needed to be. The release date also doesn't extol great faith in its sales. It's a timeframe that Capcom has yet to find great success in and certainly wouldn't be used if they actually expected the series to grow. Cacpcom wonderful marketing team has only 4 months to build hype for the game in the west and 2 of those months will be lost to the holidays. The only upside to these dates is their Quarterly Report isn't until February, so they have a good full week of sales before they (officially) buckle and undermine the title's legs.
I'm just not seeing anything in these gameplay videos that would make anyone in the west (besides that already avid fans) want the game. Dragon's Dogma had more appeal and even if MHW matched that game in the west, it would be a far cry from the were it needed to be. The release date also doesn't extol great faith in its sales. It's a timeframe that Capcom has yet to find great success in and certainly wouldn't be used if they actually expected the series to grow. Cacpcom wonderful marketing team has only 4 months to build hype for the game in the west and 2 of those months will be lost to the holidays. The only upside to these dates is their Quarterly Report isn't until February, so they have a good full week of sales before they (officially) buckle and undermine the title's legs.
I'll share the latest leg-o-meter early next month, but some quick tidbits:
- Breath of the World now above the legendary GTA V this year
- Animal Crossing Friggin' New Leaf is most likely going to end up as leggiest game of the year, since I doubt Pokémon Sun and Moon is going to chart again so close to USUM.
- Breath of the World now above the legendary GTA V this year
- Animal Crossing Friggin' New Leaf is most likely going to end up as leggiest game of the year, since I doubt Pokémon Sun and Moon is going to chart again so close to USUM.
I hope you're not being serious here.
PREDICTION LEAGUE OCTOBER 2017
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Sep 25 to Oct 29):
[NSW + 3DS] Fire Emblem Warriors (32 days) - 125.000
[PS4] Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen (25 days) - 65.000
[3DS] Mario & Luigi: RPG1 DX (25 days) - 75.000
[PS4] Gran Turismo Sport (11 days) - 215.000
[PS4 + PSV] Itadaki Street: Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary (11 days) - 65.000
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (3 days) - 315.000
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Sep 25 to Oct 29):
[NSW + 3DS] Fire Emblem Warriors (32 days) - 125.000
[PS4] Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen (25 days) - 65.000
[3DS] Mario & Luigi: RPG1 DX (25 days) - 75.000
[PS4] Gran Turismo Sport (11 days) - 215.000
[PS4 + PSV] Itadaki Street: Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary (11 days) - 65.000
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (3 days) - 315.000
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I think people are forgetting that monster hunter was basically treated almost like a 2st party Nintendo title, they always put huge amounts of money to promote monster hunter in the west to the point that capcom didn't have to do anything.
It "only" sold 1 million overall, I don't see MHW getting the same exposure as Nintendo did for the 3DS ones
It "only" sold 1 million overall, I don't see MHW getting the same exposure as Nintendo did for the 3DS ones
Yagami_Sama
Member
PREDICTION LEAGUE OCTOBER 2017
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Sep 25 to Oct 29):
[NSW + 3DS] Fire Emblem Warriors (32 days) - 265.498
[PS4] Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen (25 days) - 44.567
[3DS] Mario & Luigi: RPG1 DX (25 days) - 127.789
[PS4] Gran Turismo Sport (11 days) - 200.456
[PS4 + PSV] Itadaki Street: Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary (11 days) - 66.378
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (3 days) - 425.419
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Sep 25 to Oct 29):
[NSW + 3DS] Fire Emblem Warriors (32 days) - 265.498
[PS4] Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen (25 days) - 44.567
[3DS] Mario & Luigi: RPG1 DX (25 days) - 127.789
[PS4] Gran Turismo Sport (11 days) - 200.456
[PS4 + PSV] Itadaki Street: Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary (11 days) - 66.378
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (3 days) - 425.419
I'm grateful to Nintendo for spending their marketing dollars on getting Monster Hunter World's announcement trailer to 8.4 million views on YouTube.