WhiteRabbitEXE
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I was fine with it in Halo 5, but each successive MS game has pushed it further and further with no end in sight.
(Ars Technica) Loot boxes have reached a new low with Forza 7s pay to earn option
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Sadly, me too if we could do away with the "video games are still $60" excuse for glorified gambling schemes in games. IF that's truly the reason, I'd just rather pay a higher upfront cost without the BS.
GHG
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Don't worry, maybe he'll get it when he goes to the kebab shop and he needs to open 15 loot boxes at £1 each before he gets his fabled shawarma.
"don't go to the kebab shop then bruv".
Yeah, this. What's keeping the ESRB from adding a "real money gambling" classifier and automatically bumping up the rating as a result?
Reminds me of this
In a $60 game.
Good lord.
GoodCoffeeJoey
Banned
Taking established franchise features out of a full priced game to resell them to you with micro transactions and random chance boxes. Yuck.
VincentMatts
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Then it defies the whole principal of having loot boxes. It should be to be able to give content away and still get some sort of funding for it, not adding more profit on top of season passes. This is indeed shit, i agree.
ebullientprism
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The dumb agree with the dumb with astonishing regularity.
What an asinine post. I've got no interest in Forza but you have to have your head in the sand to not see why it's loved and why this is interesting news. Enjoy the ban!
Yeah. Agreed 100%. I've avoided this issue in my games until the new Everybody's Golf. They've damn near spoiled what was a perfect game design with P2W microtransactions and an RNG club level up system you can either grind or pay for with real money. It's predatory, unbalanced, requires grinding in parts of the game that AREN'T the core gameplay... it's bullshit and absolutely affects the core game experience.
As a result I've totally sworn off any games with these kinds of predatory loot box or other microtransactions. Full stop, no exceptions.
Also, we all agree that Fifa is to blame, right? Ultimate Team was an amazing idea born from something in the real world (the joy of collecting football cards) that has been bastardised to hell and back in the name of profits.
I think with no bonuses for using less assists and no (permanent) vip bonus this likely makes it a wait for sale to me. It is really too bad because Horizon 3 was my favorite racing game in a very long time and one of my favorites ever. I will for sure be watching a ton of game play in an effort to form my own opinion on if this would make the game too much of a grind.
Domstercool
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That's not mods, though. i'm specifically talking about that feature, as it calls mods new for 7 when in fact they aren't. That's all, just a factual thing.
NullPointer
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You're right that they aren't new, but it makes sense that this is why they were added to the last game to begin with. As MTX potential, even if that potential wasn't exploited in that game.
Introduce the system, incentivize the players to use the system, disincentivize opting out of the system, monetize the system. If it looks and smells like a MTX system (RNG, consumables), it will become one at some point if possible.
Because at the time that the reviews come out it won't exist.
Large publishers now time-delay their DLC until after reviews so that the reviews specifically don't include their DLC practices.
BeardyChan
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Dan Greenawalts response to someone on twitter about VIP really pisses me off.
Making the changes they have in Forza 7 has really angered me in a way I haven't been in a long time. I feel like I've been misled as a consumer and the loot boxes are just another thing to be pissed about. Over emphasis on the new weather system and saying they have day/night on tracks then only have it on half the tracks is another negative.
And it sucks because the overall game seems to have undergone some great improvements. They finally took the time to update some of the tracks and make them more realistic after years of not updating certain tracks.
https://www.reddit.com/r/forza/comments/739172/dan_greenawalt_comment_about_the_limited_vip/
Making the changes they have in Forza 7 has really angered me in a way I haven't been in a long time. I feel like I've been misled as a consumer and the loot boxes are just another thing to be pissed about. Over emphasis on the new weather system and saying they have day/night on tracks then only have it on half the tracks is another negative.
And it sucks because the overall game seems to have undergone some great improvements. They finally took the time to update some of the tracks and make them more realistic after years of not updating certain tracks.
Rellik
Member
Holy shit. That response.
What the fuck is that response
Fox Mulder
Member
You absolutely could stack identical mods and bonuses in Forza 6.
Classy.
Its time, we need to stop complaining about game prices, suck it up and accept $80 games. This industry can't control itself when it comes to microtransactions or ballooning budgets, I'd rather pay more per game then deal with MTs wrecking game design in every AAA game that we are trending towards.
NullPointer
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I'd be fine with that, but that's not whats going to happen. They'd just end up charging $80 while keeping all of these systems intact.
There is no ceiling on recurring microtransactions and macrotransactions, and no bump in the price can compete with that potential.
joecanada
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the 80$ games will have MT too, they won't stop until people stop buying them.
KeyboardThug
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I bet if these company's had to choose they would take $40 games with microtransactions before $80 games without microtransactions.
shameless.
Glass Shark
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Daffy Duck
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Its cute youd think theyd stop if games were £80.
Games could be £300 and they would still stuff them with this bullshit.
Audioboxer
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I wasn't aware they took out the credit bonus for turning off assists and the racing line.
That's how I've always rolled in FM, so it's like credits directly out of my pocket. That sucks.
I've never approved of the FM lootbox system. It has absolutely no place in a $60 game. I suppose that most of the contents are driver costumes, which are cosmetic, but the inclusion of race mods is worrisome.
That's how I've always rolled in FM, so it's like credits directly out of my pocket. That sucks.
I've never approved of the FM lootbox system. It has absolutely no place in a $60 game. I suppose that most of the contents are driver costumes, which are cosmetic, but the inclusion of race mods is worrisome.
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VibratingDonkey
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Like...I hate this. Makes me not want to play the game. The system they had was fine, it was good. Uugh.
Yeah fuck it, I'll be forgetting this game until the garbage design is gone, or the diminished value caused by it is reflected in the price.
Not like there's a lack of other 2017 games to get into. OG Sin 2, OG Assassin, Wolfie 2, More Mordor is more than enough for the season.
Yeah fuck it, I'll be forgetting this game until the garbage design is gone, or the diminished value caused by it is reflected in the price.
Not like there's a lack of other 2017 games to get into. OG Sin 2, OG Assassin, Wolfie 2, More Mordor is more than enough for the season.
VincentMatts
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That is absolutely ridiculous. Feels like something MS kinda pushed onto them to be honest. I cant see how they would think this is a good decision.
Daffy Duck
Member
Forza 8 is literally going to expect us to pay real money for virtual petrol for our cars isnt it?
The cost of developing games isn't the problem, here.
Wow, that VIP thing is crazy. I mean it was already a scam because they wanted to rake people over the coals by making the economy as broken as could be while still being somewhat 'reasonable', but this is just spitting in the faces of their fans.
I really hope the difficulty (risk vs reward) isn't completely broken in Forza 7.
I really hope the difficulty (risk vs reward) isn't completely broken in Forza 7.
This is false. They have been delaying MTs ever since they started doing them in FH2. The NEVER degraded the experience when they turned on MTs, When they turn them on the experience doesnt change for the non-paying end user at all. The ingame economy stays the same.
What is different now is The incentive to buy them IS ALREADY in the game (the lack of bonus for turning off assists)- the option to pay, just hasn't been turned on. The inability to play skillfully to progress faster will be just as problematic when MTs come as they are now.
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Fox Mulder
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They've been fiddling with this stuff for years. They had tokens in Horizon 1, and Forza 5 launched with MT stuff too.
Some of the grinding and MT shit in the Asphalt mobile games are crazy, but the game is free at least. Buying a single special car can cost like $40 real money.
GraveRobberX
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Lootboxception?
I wonder which game is the one that breaks the camel's back
It has to be coming, some game being greenlighted with such archaic model that makes Fortnite look like it was bang for your buck title. That's saying something.
Overwatch fucking blew the roof off with Skinner boxes. Now almost every title has it in some way
(Yes I know OW wasn't the first, but it's phenomenon made the industry shift hella quick to get in on the $$$$)
I think it'll be more rare seeing a game with out Loot boxes than with, like how a year and half changes the scope of the industry
Can't wait for ads placed between chapters, please watch this 30 sec ad, get 1 Loot box or 100 coins to by a 1000 coin Loot box, only 9 more ads to go!
The fuck is this? Wow.
Daffy Duck
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Was that trials game
Uno Venova
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It's interesting that gamers argue against their bests interests to defend loot boxes in games like Destiny and Forza but NBA 2K is universally shit on.
I guess sports games have less "allegiances" involved.
I guess sports games have less "allegiances" involved.
VincentMatts
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Horizon3 doesnt, not that i noticed. In fact, i dont think ive spend an extra dime on that game.
deadscreensky
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I'm confused about this too.
VIP was bullshit to begin with. Now it's a real joke. They gimped all credits avenues just so you engage more with the boxes. Real evil stuff.
VincentMatts
Member
Thats exactly what i posted before. F6 has all of this. But i havent played 7 so i dunno if its different or not. Hell, i never even used them in 6 cause none of the challenges seemed like fun to me.