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[DrROBschiz]

Disgusting

Im already seeing facebook videos blaming the victims for now being prepared

Unbelievable. How do you prepare for an assault of this type that happens in all of 60 seconds

FUCK these assholes

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I carry just in case. If there is a threat on myself or others, at least I can respond when there isn't any other option. I don't see how that is a problem.


Yeah, it's a terrible tragedy no doubt. The collecting.. while on face, things look nice, but I've never really went through with it when it comes to firearms.

So you‘re able to hit a guy sitting in 32nd-floor of a building?

 

[Scuffed]

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/914732477880705025

My God, that gun fire is terrifying

Holy shit that is horrible. Stuff of nightmares.

 

[F34R]

"used on duty" implies the poster your quoting isn't the average citizen. You don't know their position or risks inherent to their life.

Correct. If I wasn't carrying, even then I'd still respond to the threat. When I'm armed, at least there is a better chance than being without.

 

[Sephzilla]

The right to bear arms could be easily defended by strict regulation and registraion, and conpetency.

The 2nd amendent allowes regulation.

This is what always gets overlooked.

Making it harder for crazy people to acquire a gun =/= taking away your guns

 

[water_wendi]

According to the news reports, the shooter was not at the concert.

The shooter was on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay and was shooting down, into the the concert area, from an elevated position across the street.

From earlier in the thread.. edit: so people can get a better mental image of how it went down..

 

[Glass Shark]

Step 1 has to be campaign finance law reform and lobbying reform.

Agreed, it’s unfortunate that this will never happen as long as the United States exists in its current form.

 

[F34R]

So you‘re able to hit a guy sitting in 32nd-floor of a building?

Huh? That question doesn't make any sense to what I said.

 

[MugiwaraCole]

I forget how much of the news I get from twitter. Got up, came to work, heard everyone whispering about this, and had to ask what they were talking about. I hadn't been on in days.

This is fucking horrible. Jesus.

 

[Jeremy]

I carry just in case. If there is a threat on myself or others, at least I can respond when there isn't any other option. I don't see how that is a problem.


Yeah, it's a terrible tragedy no doubt. The collecting.. while on face, things look nice, but I've never really went through with it when it comes to firearms.

If only you had been there! Thank you for your service, gun owner!

 

[NeOak]

Gdi

Really awful.

 

[Costa Kid]

Disgusting

Im already seeing facebook videos blaming the victims for now being prepared

Unbelievable. How do you prepare for an assault of this type that happens in all of 60 seconds

FUCK these assholes

In a peaceful and civilised society, nobody should be expected to be prepared. And regardless of their level of preparation, I dunno why it would ever be the victims fault. What goes through these peoples’ minds...

 

[How About No]

Fuck the NRA, fuck the GOP for making things like this posssible

RIP

 

[old manatee]

This shit is horrible. When these shootings keep happening and nothing ever changes with the gun laws it just feels like we don't value human life at all.

 

[kess]

Says it all when Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin says that food, health, and shelter are privileges to be earned but guns are a right.

 

[Link]

What will be the NRA's excuse?

What will be Trump’s? This guy was white. There’s no boogeyman to blame.

 

[JABEE]

Step 1 has to be campaign finance law reform and lobbying reform.

A part of me thinks this is what America wants. They want unfettered rights to own huge, maiming dogs, wield giant killing guns and knives, and drive around in environment-destroying military vehicles. These lobbyist groups and industry cartels manifest themselves as power brokers for a huge swath of voters in this country.

 

[Amory]

Horrifying. Makes me want to cry. Those poor people.

I don't know what can be done to stop this, at this point, with so many guns out there already. But we have to have the courage to try to do something.

 

[Syriel]

Would you have been able to respond at that concert?

No one at the concert would have been able to respond to the shooter unless they were carrying a sniper rifle and knew where the shooter was firing from.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Correct. If I wasn't carrying, even then I'd still respond to the threat. When I'm armed, at least there is a better chance than being without.

But there were already police on the ground and they were unable to address it as it happened.

It would have been highly irresponsible to try to fire back from the ground anyway given it would be hard to pinpoint the location and the rest could be others in the hotel rooms.

 

[BBboy20]

A part of me thinks this is what America wants. They want unfettered rights to own huge, maiming dogs, wield giant killing guns and knives, and drive around in environment-destroying military vehicles. These lobbyist groups and industry cartels manifest themselves as power brokers for a huge swath of voters in this country.

We are the top dogs after all.

 

[Audioboxer]

Which shows why the specific focus on terrorism in the dialogue and policy is such a problem. You don't need to be a terrorist to kill a bunch of people.

There have been two famous mass shootings in the Denver metro area in the past 30 years. Neither was a terrorist attack. They still left dozens of people dead.

It's understandable why many can't process why it isn't called a terrorist attack with this amount of casualty. It is just down to the definition of what a terrorist attack is, plus at early stages in an investigation when the motive isn't known, nothing is going to be "carelessly" called something until proven.

It's why in the UK it goes "incident" -> "suspected terror attack (usually when police have preliminary motive/findings" and then -> "terror attack".

The reason "terror attack" has been all over headlines around the world is because there have been a lot of religiously motivated killings, and some political in recent times. That doesn't mean that every killing from now on will now be a terror attack. America has a guns problem that Europe doesn't, so when attacks happen in Europe in the current climate it often is a terror attack. Not just a mass shooting/massacre. Although, look at the acid attacks in London. They aren't classed as terrorist attacks but are claiming many victims. Most of them appear to be gang violence, which isn't a terrorist attack (not unless it's coming from a gang that are religiously/politically or ideologically motivated).

 

[smisk]

Haven't been able to bring myself to watch many videos but the one I saw was horrifying. Can't imagine being in a situation like that. I wonder how many injuries were the result of people trampling each other trying to get away? Crowds like that are hard enough to navigate on any day..

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

"used on duty" implies the poster your quoting isn't the average citizen. You don't know their position or risks inherent to their life.

He's a former cop, emphasis on former. The laws allowing people to carry has fuck all to do with that though, as any average dumb fuck can be running around locked and loaded in many states. It's a trash law pushed by trash politicians (bought by lobbyist), in a country with a poisonous gun culture. The fact there's so many in circulation just makes you wanna throw your hands up.

 

[Mr. Sam]

My wife has O blood (not negative unfortunately) but we are in upstate NY. If she gives today will it go to Las Vegas?

Very unlikely but it could replenish stocks that are being depleted by Vegas, and giving blood is never a bad thing.

 

[Not]

What goes through these peoples' minds...

Well, it's pretty damn fucked up in there, let me tell you. America did a fucking number on the mental health and frame of mind of its privileged citizens. I'll bet they have literal brain damage from denying reality as much as they've grown comfortable doing.

 

[Izayoi]

I was legit shook when I turned on NPR this morning on the way to work and basically the first thing I heard was automatic gunfire and screaming people.

Holy shit, this is out of fucking control. How much straw can the camel's back hold? It has to be at a breaking point.

 

[GeoGonzo]

I’m selling my handgun tomorrow.
I enjoy going to the range.
But I can’t keep supporting it.

I live in the south, right next to an army base. So everyone basically has a gun. So I got one too.m when I moved here to keep by the nightstand.

But the fact is I’m more worried about being attacked in public than I am in my own home.

More people being armed wouldn’t have stopped a single person from dying.

I kind of feel awful that I do get so much enjoyment from shooting.

Selling your gun will make your house safer and your family will on average live a longer life, but you won’t be making the country any safer if another american buys it from you.

 

[jellies_two]

I've got nothing against owning firearms, but the ATF fucked that one up big time.

Strangely the certification refers to "timing it to contact the trigger finger" (timing the pressure) but all videos I can see of the fostech or slide-fire in actiom show a fire rate that is not timing anything for each shot, it's full auto speed, effectively.

This guy may have got illegal pure auto weapons instead. But the mods appear to function just as well especially if you are strafing a huge crowd and don't care about pinpoint aim. So if they close a loophole he used a legal option for fast firing auto weapons still exists.

 

[gutterboy44]

If this guy voted democrat even once in his life, we know what the narrative is going to be from Trump and Co.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

No one at the concert would have been able to respond to the shooter unless they were carrying a sniper rifle and knew where the shooter was firing from.

I'm aware, that's the point. I deleted my post though, I can't be bothered engaging with that comment anymore.

 

[Oriel]

I carry just in case. If there is a threat on myself or others, at least I can respond when there isn't any other option. I don't see how that is a problem

Attitudes like that only perpetuate more mass killings. You don't need a gun.

 

[BunnyBear]

It feels like we're well beyond the point now of waiting patiently for FB/Google/Twitter to get their shit together.

What the hell do you expect them to do? Monitor every single tweet/post?

 

[SoldierOfLight]

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I doubt he could've, someone probably watched too much Die Hard. No way whatever he carries could've done anything to someone from a window yards away while taking heavy fire.

 

[johnny956]

killer lived a neighborhood over from my in-laws. Curious on the motive (not that it matters).

You could see people trying to decide if running was more risky then staying put. I'm not sure if it really would have mattered dude was just blasting away all over the place

 

[Croatoan]

1. Gun silencers are not used in crimes and are already easy to get. Also, they don't silence a weapon. They are called suppressors not silencers. The term "silencer" has been popularized by hollywood and video games. A suppressed gun is still loud a shit unless you are using subsonic ammo.

2. This is fucking stupid though. Let states decide if they want concealed carry.


The reason I correct 1 isn't because I want to chastize or anything. If you are going to go up against gun people you need to have your facts straight or you will get nothing but deflection. If you really want to fight gun crime then we need to ban handguns. They make up 95% off all gun homicides in the US. Throwing up a picture of an AR15 and stating, "This gun is the problem", is going to get you laughed at in any anti-gun debate. Just like using the term silencer, and linking it to crime.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...legalize-perspec-0115-md-20170113-column.html

 

[Dreams-Visions]

After sending their thoughts and prayers, Congress goes back to work:

Edit: beaten by sazzy

Critics would be correct. automatic weapons with silencers being used at a public venue is how 100s die instead of 50. The only warning people would have that something is amiss is the stampede of people running the other direction. Nobody 50 yards away would even know why.

Giving psychopaths eased access to suppressors/silencers will be a mega-tragedy waiting to happen.

For the uninitiated, in order to get a silencer (a Class 3 weapon) now you have to pay a big fee, get approval from your local sherrif, and have them submit a form to the ATF. Then you have to wait like 3 or 4 months or something like that. Then you get to look forward to a life of annual or semi-annual visits from the ATF to review the condition and securement of your class 3 item.

 

[HariKari]

Trump to comment in 45 mins per NBC

 

[DrROBschiz]

In a peaceful and civilised society, nobody should be expected to be prepared. And regardless of their level of preparation, I dunno why it would ever be the victims fault. What goes through these peoples’ minds...

https://www.facebook.com/AmericanDe...mmH_TrUjpDz1l4BeC_co2VZi7x74o2w_xLVgU&fref=nf

One of the many assholes in question

These gun clutching psychos

 

[Master Yoshi]

Disgusting

Im already seeing facebook videos blaming the victims for now being prepared

Unbelievable. How do you prepare for an assault of this type that happens in all of 60 seconds

FUCK these assholes

You need better Facebook friends. I really don't think I could maintain a friendship with anyone that sadistic.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

As for control, we need a buyback program like whoa. At the very least. It would be expensive and of course never approved, but it would be a start.

Like it would have to be offering at or above market rates for these guns to even have a chance at getting some off the streets.

 

[spelen]

Americas solution I bet will be to stand in solidarity for the National anthem and do nothing. But when the next terrorist attack tragically kills 2 ppl they'll put a ban and 6 countries and throw out those violent dreamers.

 

[Glass Shark]

I’m selling my handgun tomorrow.
I enjoy going to the range.
But I can’t keep supporting it.

Good for you. I have to admit that even though I am incredibly in favor of extremely strict gun control, everything that has been going on in America started to make me feel like I should get a weapon “just in case.” But doing that just means participating in the culture of violence that is ripping our nation apart. I can’t do it.

 

[BruceCLea]

Fuck this guy. Fuck guns. Fuck violence. My thoughts go out to the families of the victims and those who are still recovering.

Ban guns and open up a better dialogue about mental health in our nation.
Mental health and access to weapons is the reason every time. This is coming from someone who has mental health problems and struggles.
Stupid bullshit headlines/talking points that can be dispelled:

"LV is a sanctuary city so it had to be one of those Mooslims or Mexicans"
64 year old white guy

"Video games warp people's minds and make them do stuff like this!"
64 year old white guy

"Guns don't kill people! People kill people!"
64 year old white guy probably wouldn't be able to kill 50+ people and injure hundreds with his bare hands. Guns very much kill people.

 

[Crocodile]

Because without a political motive an attack - of any size or scale - is not terrorism. It's just mass violence. Words have meanings, and the meaning of terrorism is well established.

I'm not American, so I guess I don't understand this bizarre semantic football played with the word terrorism or terrorist in this and other threads. Who cares? Does it make this astonishingly disgusting act any better or worse if it is / isn't called terrorism? Does it change anything for the victims, their families to hear that word spoken? I don't get it.

Anyway, there's no evident motivation here but the police will hopefully turn up something in due time. If they turn up anything remotely political, people will call him a domestic terrorist like Timothy McVeigh and the rest.

You are correct but let me explain to you why semantics play such a large role in this conversation.The shooter in this case was White and likely (not confirmed) Christian. If they were a Person of Color and/or Muslim, Trump and HUGE parts of this country would be SCREAMING terrorism regardless of what due process would still need to be done to discern motive. That's why people are agitated. The appropriate due diligence is being done here but everybody knows the only reason that is the case is because the shooter is White. That wouldn't be true if they were a POC and/or Muslim.

 

[Saint Gregory]

From earlier in the thread.. edit: so people can get a better mental image of how it went down..

Whoa, he was that far away? I assumed the concert was happening right below the hotel. How did anyone even identify where the shots were coming from?

What the hell do you expect them to do? Monitor every single tweet/post?

These aren't just single posts, they're coordinated misinformation campaigns being spread a lot of the time by bogus accounts and bots. They're not doing nearly enough to police their platforms because they don't seem to think it's a huge problem (or at least wouldn't admit so until recently).

 

[Volphied]

In a peaceful and civilised society, nobody should be expected to be prepared.

THIS. The definition of a peaceful society is one where there isn't a need to carry guns. Yet, the NRA and other gun fetishists succeeded in turning this on its head by advocating for a constantly "armed-but-polite" society.

The end result is a spiral of endless paranoia and outright militarization of the entire society.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

You need better Facebook friends. I really don't think I could maintain a friendship with anyone that sadistic.

I'm seeing that, but because my friends are using the angry react to the videos saying that stupid shit. Not necessarily posts by friends themselves.

Whoa, he was that far away? I assumed the concert was happening right below the hotel. How did anyone even identify where the shots were coming from?

I'm just guessing here, but I imagine others at that hotel would know that shots were coming from it and they could triangulate the area of suspicion via witness statements. If anyone knows the actual answer to this, let me know, I'm super interested.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Trump to comment in 45 mins per NBC

Trump can fuck right off.

 

[Oriel]

"used on duty" implies the poster your quoting isn't the average citizen. You don't know their position or risks inherent to their life.

If he's law enforcement then obviously that's different. But I've seen nothing from that poster to indicate that suggests there's any rational need to carry a gun everywhere.