Destiny 2 |OT2| Leviathan Wakes (Spoiler Tag ALL Raid Discussion)

I see we are not yet at the point where scrubs are high enough level to have the raid handed to them on a plate so groups dissolve as soon as it gets a bit tough.

Callus is literally the only challenging thing in the Raid, and that is simply due to the fact he is overly mechanical AND a DPS check.

A couple of failed attempts and all of a sudden it’s dinner time for people from all four corners of the globe at once.
 
atpbx said:
I see we are not yet at the point where scrubs are high enough level to have the raid handed to them on a plate so groups dissolve as soon as it gets a bit tough.

Callus is literally the only challenging thing in the Raid, and that is simply due to the fact he is overly mechanical AND a DPS check.

A couple of failed attempts and all of a sudden it’s dinner time for people from all four corners of the globe at once.
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Callus isn't that bad really, I would say gauntlet and dogs are the hardest for inexperienced players.

Gauntlet has aot of calling out and having to keep an eye on various things that can easily overwhelm some.

Gardens you tend to have people either lagging behind the ground leader, not sticking close enough, not standing near the flowers, not calling out properly, not being able to find their dog or even do much damage at all.

I have only finished the raid fully twice now (also did everything but callus on Saturday) but I think I don't really want to raid with anyone who doesn't know what they are doing any more. It ends up taking fucking forever because of it. Worst part is all these people that fuck up lots always say they have watched the video guides but I often doubt it.

No problem with people dying etc. Since you can't control that a lot of times but when your making stupid mistakes it gets tiring.
 
Which is harder? Sucky dimension or throne room?

Last night i was in the other dimension, left side. And after a few deaths due to the "jump" bomb from psions i managed to stay alive to the very end. But people just kept dying both inside and outside.
 
void666 said:
Which is harder? Sucky dimension or throne room?

Last night i was in the other dimension, left side. And after a few deaths due to the "jump" bomb from psions i managed to stay alive to the very end. But people just kept dying both inside and outside.
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Dimension because you have to do more than "stay alive" pretty much.
More specifically, dimension right side.
 
void666 said:
Which is harder? Sucky dimension or throne room?

Last night i was in the other dimension, left side. And after a few deaths due to the "jump" bomb from psions i managed to stay alive to the very end. But people just kept dying both inside and outside.
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After trying both, personally I think shadow is harder. Mainly because all it takes is one grenade or awkward bump and your fucked.

Throne room can get hectic and overwhelming with enemies but once you know your spots it's not so bad.
 
void666 said:
Which is harder? Sucky dimension or throne room?

Last night i was in the other dimension, left side. And after a few deaths due to the "jump" bomb from psions i managed to stay alive to the very end. But people just kept dying both inside and outside.
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I would say both sides are hard just because of the half a dozen mechanics in play in each room.

Throne room is easier if you use your rocket ammo on adds especially the orange bars enemies. People try to save up their ammo for the boss but if you arent even getting to that damage phase then wtf is the point.

the inside is more challenging because you have to call out the stupid symbols while quickly taking out psions AND projections all the while repositioning yourself to make sure you dont hit a slope and fly off. if you dont take out psions in a second or two they will get that jump grenade off and launch you.
 
void666 said:
Which is harder? Sucky dimension or throne room?

Last night i was in the other dimension, left side. And after a few deaths due to the "jump" bomb from psions i managed to stay alive to the very end. But people just kept dying both inside and outside.
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Throne room without a doubt. Dimension room is where you put the weakest players in your team :P

Pro tip: have left and right side players shoot the regular psions across, not in front of them. Better line of sight. You can basically kill them in their spawn animation.

Throne room team has the hardest job - killing ads, avoiding boss AOE, killing the correct psion in time to keep the dimension team alive, prepping the boss shield, dealing with major (yellow bar) enemies.
 
SlimySnake said:
I would say both sides are hard just because of the half a dozen mechanics in play in each room.
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Agree with this. I wouldn't say the Throne room is 'easier' it's more traditional in it's challenge. Your primary concern playing in the Throne room is just add management, burning down majors, not dying, and occasionally punching the right Psion so the Shadow team doesn't die.

Where as the Shadow team only has a few things to kill, relative to the throne room team, but along with several other mechanics, and if you don't kill the Psions in the Shadow realm it almost certainly spells death for a fire team member.
 
Sitting at 297 on my Titan, still haven’t done the raid so by Friday there was nothing left for me to do that would raise PL so I started up a Hunter. Hoping this weeks reset can get me over the 300 hump, then I’ll keep the grind up on my Hunter. There’s a few Titan armor sets I would really like (EDZ and Vangaurd) so ultimately I see October being a month of grinding out rep tokens. Even w/ ‘nothing’ to do, I just enjoy the gameplay so much that it’s worth grinding just for cosmetic upgrades.
 
atpbx said:
I see we are not yet at the point where scrubs are high enough level to have the raid handed to them on a plate so groups dissolve as soon as it gets a bit tough.

Callus is literally the only challenging thing in the Raid, and that is simply due to the fact he is overly mechanical AND a DPS check.

A couple of failed attempts and all of a sudden it’s dinner time for people from all four corners of the globe at once.
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Yeah, just yesterday I felt bad for a guy that was first to join a LFG request but he was new to the raid and the team scooped up the guy that posted right after him with experience. I started a Noob raid this weekend and we got about half way through it in about 4-5 hours. Nobody complained. This kinda happened in Destiny 1 until the sharpa parties started happening. Hopefully we can get more people to sharpa this time around.
 
void666 said:
Which is harder? Sucky dimension or throne room?

Last night i was in the other dimension, left side. And after a few deaths due to the "jump" bomb from psions i managed to stay alive to the very end. But people just kept dying both inside and outside.
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I think the throne room;
you have to have people skilled enough to take down a good amount of enemies...and it get somewhat difficult when the legionaries and centurions come out, that plus Claus's beam, that grasp move, and if you can't 2-phase him hell have the large aoe move which make it more difficult to hit the correct psion while dealing with all the adds.

found the "shadow" world to be easy...all you did wast shoot psions and just avoid the ramps and wholes on the floor, sure a psion whould get you evey now and then but it was nothing compared to what goes inside the throne room.
 
Ruthless_Barbarian said:
Throne room without a doubt. Dimension room is where you put the weakest players in your team :P

Pro tip: have left and right side players shoot the regular psions across, not in front of them. Better line of sight. You can basically kill them in their spawn animation.

Throne room team has the hardest job - killing ads, avoiding boss AOE, killing the correct psion in time to keep the dimension team alive, prepping the boss shield, dealing with major (yellow bar) enemies.
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boredJonathan said:
Agree with this. I wouldn't say the Throne room is 'easier' it's more traditional in it's challenge. Your primary concern playing in the Throne room is just add management, burning down majors, not dying, and occasionally punching the right Psion so the Shadow team doesn't die.

Where as the Shadow team only has a few things to kill, relative to the throne room team, but along with several other mechanics, and if you don't kill the Psions in the Shadow realm it almost certainly spells death for a fire team member.
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I don't know. I've done everything but Calus so far and watched the video ofcmy clan taking him out on their first try yesterday in 5 mins..

I can't figure out which is harder, lol

Here is the vid of them taking him down:
https://youtu.be/2dI5KAe71To
(JJShadow, MrMikeh, Zombiepoleon, Palintiri, firehawk12 and shotandrun)
 
Kaiken said:
Yeah, just yesterday I felt bad for a guy that was first to join a LFG request but he was new to the raid and the team scooped up the guy that posted right after him with experience. I started a Noob raid this weekend and we got about half way through it in about 4-5 hours. Nobody complained. This kinda happened in Destiny 1 until the sharpa parties started happening. Hopefully we can get more people to sharpa this time around.
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Like all raids, we are kinda at the point where the "harder core" players have all run the raid and know what to do, but the more casual folks are now "raid ready."

Also, like all raids, the learning curve is steep and you really can't carry weaker players this go around. Thus, everyone has to get on the same page regarding the mechanics. That takes hours.

Hours that the first raiders have just spent....In other words, at this point in raid cycle...everyone is a little tired, but will be back to it in a few weeks to help out the newbies.
 
MythicReclaimer said:
To get all the gear/weapons is the incentive to replay Raids and they are in general usually some of the best content with a cool atmosphere, etc.

All content in Destiny is expected to be replayed over and over, whether you think it is designed (added gameplay mechanics, modifiers, etc) to be is for another discussion.

That being said, this is the first time I couldn't care less (concerning a raid) if I ever touch The Leviathan again as I pretty much despise it and it's overall setting and tone. Most of the armor is ugly (especially the Titan, yeesh) and I already have all the weapons from it I want sans the sword (I'm not a collector per se but rather someone who acquires gear/weapons they will actually wear/use).
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Yea, I miss having to run raids for the best gear possible a la VoG where all the best gear was tied to running normal and then later hard mode. They changed that philosophy post TTK expansion however. Raids nowadays just feel like a one and done, or like the other person had mentioned, running to help your friends. Outside of that there isn't any incentive.
 
atpbx said:
I see we are not yet at the point where scrubs are high enough level to have the raid handed to them on a plate so groups dissolve as soon as it gets a bit tough.

Callus is literally the only challenging thing in the Raid, and that is simply due to the fact he is overly mechanical AND a DPS check.

A couple of failed attempts and all of a sudden it’s dinner time for people from all four corners of the globe at once.
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I think Calus is one of the easiest parts of the raid.

Also it is somewhat of a DPS check, but if you get enough skulls, or you have at least 1-2 300+ members, it's still a breeze. I watched a video of a team 2-manning it lol.
 
Ruthless_Barbarian said:
Throne room without a doubt. Dimension room is where you put the weakest players in your team :P

Pro tip: have left and right side players shoot the regular psions across, not in front of them. Better line of sight. You can basically kill them in their spawn animation.

Throne room team has the hardest job - killing ads, avoiding boss AOE, killing the correct psion in time to keep the dimension team alive, prepping the boss shield, dealing with major (yellow bar) enemies.
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Throne room team can literally chill in a psion bubble to avoid all damage and wait for a call out
 
Kadey said:
Ads aren't going to kill themselves. And they add up. Pun intended.
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true, although I didn't know of this strat. Might be good for those moments where you need to heal.

disclaimer: I have never done throne room position, so I actually have no idea what I'm talking about.

#shadowrealmboyz
 
Guys, thanks for all the responses.

Our team usually has 3 skilled members and 3 not so skilled. I was wondering how to mix them up to make it work.

I think we just need to keep trying until it clicks.
 
Well, another flawless with my hunter. Now i hace the full armor set. The End and Judgement are really solid weapons and paired with a shotgun, a devastating combo. And now i have every weapon. Time to make a titan
 
DyZ said:
Yea, I miss having to run raids for the best gear possible a la VoG where all the best gear was tied to running normal and then later hard mode. They changed that philosophy post TTK expansion however. Raids nowadays just feel like a one and done, or like the other person had mentioned, running to help your friends. Outside of that there isn't any incentive.
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Well, it's a bit of a weird dynamic for me that I was never expecting or saw coming.

I simply don't have the drive in me to say I have to complete the raid 3 times every week (like I had in the past especially with CE and KF, I lost the desire a bit too after acquiring everything I wanted in WotM, the original VoG I ran the least due to grouping up and whatnot). The main reason for this as I've said many times is I really dislike the setting and tone of the Leviathan and it's structure as a "Raid." I was expecting the setting to be basically a Cabal Military War Fortess of sorts (similar in style to the last part of the campaign) with multiple Boss Battles that had both mechanics and DPS checks. At the end of the day though this is fine as I don't expect to love everything that comes in Destiny and know other players will feel differently/have opposite opinions.

Combine that with getting Clan rewards from other Raid groups added to what I've earned myself in the Raid and I really lose the desire to return to it that often. With no random or interesting fixed perks on Raid armor this becomes even more magnified.

Without the Clan rewards I would power through more often even though I dislike the content.
 
End of raid spoiler period?

I've only done throne room once and thought it was a cakewalk. I used my rockets to kill majors and since majors drop heavy it was self-sustaining. Now that I have Winter's Guile for my Warlock I'm going Devourwalker Throne Room every time I get the chance. Seems to me the best strat would be to camp out in a psion bubble then everybody pop roaming supers to clear enemies in preparation to take down his shield.

Suck space can be very hard at first. You have to get a feel for the pace of the 4 different things you have to do within a very tight timeframe. You need to be positioned, call out the symbol (the quicker this happens the better ->), kill psions (if you call symbols quickly a new bumper can save you when bumped) then kill projections. After you get used to that you learn how to strafe to avoid grenades and strafe to save a run if you have been launched.

Open Every Calus Chest Through The Walls!
Looks messy, but this actually may be the fastest way to get some of the chests. Picked up Conduit very easily.
 
DyZ said:
Also it is somewhat of a DPS check, but if you get enough skulls, or you have at least 1-2 300+ members, it's still a breeze. I watched a video of a team 2-manning it lol.
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Pretty sure everyone is scaled down to the level of the encounter if they're over. It was two-manned using skill, the buff mechanic, and a cheese spot. Also: skill.

I think Calus is significantly harder than the other three encounters. The
throne room team
sees far more opposition than anyone during any other encounter. Managed to two-man it to allow an extra in the
shadow realm for safety/skull shooting
and it is pretty butt-clenchy while we fend off bad guys
before/during taking down the shield
.
 
atpbx said:
I see we are not yet at the point where scrubs are high enough level to have the raid handed to them on a plate so groups dissolve as soon as it gets a bit tough.

Callus is literally the only challenging thing in the Raid, and that is simply due to the fact he is overly mechanical AND a DPS check.

A couple of failed attempts and all of a sudden it’s dinner time for people from all four corners of the globe at once.
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Calus isn’t even the worst raid boss if you’ve been doing raids since d1 which makes your post even more depressing. 😔
 
after completing the raid for the first time this weekend, abysmal rewards aside, I actually really liked it (despite seeing it for the last month and thinking I would hate it).

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I should know this already but concerning mods if you put say a "Class abilities recharge faster when using a Void subclass" mod on both your Helmet and Chest pieces do they stack?
 
MythicReclaimer said:
I should know this already but concerning mods if you put say a "Class abilities recharge faster when using a Void subclass" mod on both your Helmet and Chest pieces do they stack?
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Yes they do

But dont expect miracles

I suppose stacking those bonuses with the right exotic would produce decent results? But we only have numbers for Mod stacking
 
Despite not beating the raid yet, I love my team lol. We're so damn close to finishing it. Everyone is cool and nice to each other and my enjoyment of this game is more reliant on being friends with teammates than it is winning easily.

That said, seems like everyone is at work and man I still haven't finished nightfall :(.
 
Kojirospath said:
What, really? That's a gamechanger!
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Eh, it's not really. It's great for talking a quick breather, but if you don't have a Super to quickly kill all the ads waiting for you, you'll have a big problem.
I like just chilling on either the back left or right stairs, close to the entrance. Calus can't laserbeam you and most ads don't go that far down.
 
void666 said:
Which is harder? Sucky dimension or throne room?

Last night i was in the other dimension, left side. And after a few deaths due to the "jump" bomb from psions i managed to stay alive to the very end. But people just kept dying both inside and outside.
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The dimension has a lot of things to pay attention to, but so long as you stick to the order of things (the order in which people call out, everyone kills their psion instantly, simply paying attention), it can be easy. I'm usually in the dimension and it goes rather smoothly. It's in the throne room where deaths are more common because you're in a constant hectic fight. At least, in my experience. However, there is more room for mistakes to be made in the throne room, whereas there are none in the dimension.

Overall, I'd say it depends on strengths of the individuals on the fire team. If you're good at killing and surviving, stay in the throne room (although at least one guy has to be paying attention to the call outs). If you're attentive, aware and are able to comprehend the mechanics, go into the dimension.
 
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