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[Pattycakes]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

Fucking junior drive by post

 

[Mahonay]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.

So having easy access to 10 rifles is acceptable to you after 60 people died and hundreds wounded from the hands of one person?

Fuck off the tone of your post, honesty. Far left? Alright my dude.

Tell me about your thoughts on Sandy Hook while we're at it.

 

[cpp_is_king]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.

Given that the evidence (see: Australia) literally proves you wrong, and you have no evidence to support your own position - only opinions - I think you can safely GTFO

 

[Forearms]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.

It must be nice being an ignorant fuck. Might as well not try anything since it's just going to happen anyway, amirite?

 

[Azzanadra]

Can I ask why you think other countries don't have these issues, other than the fact that they have harsher gun control laws?

To play devil's advocate, and I say this as a Canadian and in favor of our hardcore gun control laws, in America the guns are already out there- not only do many people already have them but they will still be easy to obtain on the black market.

 

[Glass Shark]

Also the number of people in the US that need to hunt as a necessity is miniscule.

Compared to the number of people who claim they do, it might as well be zero. Fish and wildlife agencies artificially increase populations of animals to give people a reason to hunt.

 

[dark_quota]

I don’t remember suppressors being all that easy to get like that poster was implying. I remember looking into them way back and you had to set up a trust and pay a pretty high fee for the tax stamp. The effort required was probably enough to keep most people away. I think that method was on its way out at the time too because everything kept saying to do it before a loophole was closed.

Some in congress are trying to change this with the hearing protection act. I doubt it will go through, but I purchased my kidd 10/22 barrel with the threaded option just in case.

 

[perfectchaos007]

With 58 casualties it's now the deadliest shooting in US history.

 

[Peltz]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.

I think it's merely one measure that could help, but I would agree that it's not enough in a vacuum by itself to prevent something like this from happening. Still, I don't think it's a "lazy" or "simplistic" endeavor.

Combating mass shootings has to be a multi-layered approach. Controlling guns is merely one of those layers in the process.

 

[plagiarize]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.

Oh I'm sorry that our position this morning isn't nuanced enough for you.

Wait, no I'm fucking not. This 'logic' you're putting forwards is basically saying we shouldn't have bothered making murder illegal, since it'll still happen.

If it was harder to buy guns or bullets this would happen less.

That's a fucking fact. CF every country where it's harder to buy guns and bullets, where the attacks tend to use much less lethal weapons, and where the death tolls tend to be much much lower.

There's a reason no one is driving trucks into crowds of people in the US, and it's because it's really fucking easy to get guns.

 

[Ozigizo]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

This is actually bullshit. Let me know how many mass shootings Australia had after banning Assault Rifles.

 

[TACPhilly]

yep just like how laws limiting anything never work either, wait yeah they do.

we should abolish all laws since there will always be someone breaking them eh?

"far left" aka normal human beings without firearm fetishes

yeah because anyone who owns a gun has a firearm fettish. dude you just invalidated yourself by making a snide comment. and i didnt insult anyone, just pointed out a fact that its the far left that goes after guns every chance they get.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Fucking junior drive by post

So sad, people actually believe shit like this. How many more shooting do we need to put two and two together?

With 58 casualties it's now the deadliest shooting in US history.

I wonder why the numbers keep increasing, it's not like we haven't had these guns before.

 

[superdeluxe]

True. Hunting is like 90% recreation at this point.

Really? Most hunters I know hunt to get deer in their freezer. or a combination.

 

[Khaz]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

Why do you label your opposition "the left"? What is leftist about gun regulation?

 

[kamineko]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

Come on, man. You’re not even trying

 

[mjc]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

Get the fuck outta here with this trash. Have some decency.

 

[mackattk]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.

It is the only thing that will help prevent this shit from happening. Mental checks before allowing somebody to buy a gun? that is gun control. A waiting period before being able to buy a gun? gun control. gun registry list? gun control. Thoughts and prayers aren't doing shit.

So let's say it doesn't prevent mass casualty situations like this. It would at least help prevent random shootings from somebody getting pissed off without thinking.

 

[platocplx]

Maybe if all states take the same actions as CA and NY. Those states are regulated pretty heavily.

Yep. That’s the Crux of the issue. The laws vary so damn widely that stricter laws in other states are ineffective.

I honestly don’t mind or think it’s feasible currently to be able to ban all guns, but at minimum the baseline and ownership has to be a much higher standard and not just make it a right but also a privilege to own a firearm.

 

[Madridy]

It is crazy that these poor people were laying on the floor thinking the shooter was on their level, but instead they've become bigger targets from above.

Absolutely vile.

Never stop talking about gun control USA.

 

[Fliesen]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

* there's examples to the contrary

* And no, you literally cannot kill more than 50 people and wound 500 more with a car.

 

[Jeremy]

besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

are you a fucking psycho

 

[Fercho]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

Your logic is outstanding.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

Puh-fucking-lease. Pro gun-nuts immediately start talking about how more guns would have fixed the issue as well, which is naturally going to bring up counter gun control arguments from the "left"

 

[minor effort]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

Nobody has ever claimed that implementing stringent gun control today will prevent all mass shootings overnight. There's already too many guns in circulation resulting from years of lax gun laws and lax enforcement. But it's a start to an eventual future of fewer mass shootings and fewer gun deaths overall.

But gun advocates always disingenuously say "it won't magically fix everything immediately" as an excuse to do nothing.

 

[TACPhilly]

Oh I'm sorry that our position this morning isn't nuanced enough for you.

Wait, no I'm fucking not. This 'logic' you're putting forwards is basically saying we shouldn't have bothered making murder illegal, since it'll still happen.

If it was harder to buy guns or bullets this would happen less.

That's a fucking fact. CF every country where it's harder to buy guns and bullets, where the attacks tend to use much less lethal weapons, and where the death tolls tend to be much much lower.

There's a reason no one is driving trucks into crowds of people in the US, and it's because it's really fucking easy to get guns.

okay cool soooo you admit if he didnt have a gun he would have driven people over. so you admit that its not the guns to blame but the killer? so then youd have to admit that banning guns would not have prevented this crime from happening.

 

[MysteryQuesadilla]

yeah because anyone who owns a gun has a firearm fettish. dude you just invalidated yourself by making a snide comment. and i didnt insult anyone, just pointed out a fact that its the far left that goes after guns every chance they get.

The "far left"? Are you including the family of victims here as well?

 

[Ozigizo]

yeah because anyone who owns a gun has a firearm fettish. dude you just invalidated yourself by making a snide comment. and i didnt insult anyone, just pointed out a fact that its the far left that goes after guns every chance they get.

You're disgusting. We need to be talking about gun control, and this is why. Why don't you hop on your main account and we can discuss this.

 

[Gattsu25]

That's provably false. These events do not occur with such frequency and intensity outside of the USA, they can absolutely be prevented

You guys keep coming up with the same idea which is a sign of laziness. Nevermind that it's been repeatedly and demonstrably found to be effective, and nevermind that we've already enacted similar regulations to vehicle ownership (which also proved to be effective)

Instead, ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

 

[Obliterator]

With 58 casualties it's now the deadliest shooting in US history.

Jesus fuck.

This country has unbelievably serious problems. You don't see shootings like this anywhere else in the world

 

[FunkyMunkey]

yeah because anyone who owns a gun has a firearm fettish. dude you just invalidated yourself by making a snide comment. and i didnt insult anyone, just pointed out a fact that its the far left that goes after guns every chance they get.

what's with the persecution complex junior? did i strike a nerve?

and you invalidated your shit bigoted opinion the second you popped into this topic with your illogical and tired hot take. go shit somewhere else champ

 

[Screaming Meat]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.

It'd make this shit a damn sight less frequent.

 

[pooptest]

Really? Most hunters I know hunt to get deer in their freezer. or a combination.

Sorry, I meant "necessity" as more hunt-to-survive in a more country / limited shopping scenario. I was bundling "hunt to have deer in freezer" as recreation.

 

[Mahonay]

There is obviously a conversation about gun control in this thread you aren't understanding.

Illegal guns were likely not used in this mass shooting, so illegal guns on the streets of Chicago doesn't have much to do with this. Nothing at all, actually.

A majority of mass shootings are carried out with legally obtained firearms.

 

[How About No]

A woman my wife works with was in Vegas and no one has heard from her.

Scary I hope she's okay

I really hope so too

Does Facebook have a safety check in for this?

 

[diaspora]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

You mean the victims and their families too?

 

[big ander]

that guy doesn't really justify a response but anyway: no way it'd be possible to injure nearly 600 people with a car even in a populous urban area like Vegas. physics exist goddammit, when you hit a bunch of people with a car you slow down, and if you were driving on sidewalks you'd swiftly hit some planter or fountain or something. life isn't goddamn crazy taxi.

 

[guybrushfreeman]

okay cool soooo you admit if he didnt have a gun he would have driven people over. so you admit that its not the guns to blame but the killer? so then youd have to admit that banning guns would not have prevented this crime from happening.

There is literally no evidence at all this crime would've been committed in any other fashion

 

[Glass Shark]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.

You are absolutely right, people will always find ways to kill each other. They have since the beginning of time. If we banned guns to the degree that Australia did, or put major restrictions on them like Japan, the number of stabbings, beatings, and bombings would probably increase. But the number of violent deaths overall would decrease drastically. So why not fucking try?

Also, lol @ thinking this is a “far left” thing. The majority of people in the US believe in stronger gun restrictions.

 

[MIMIC]

God, just found out one of my friends was there. He's safe.

 

[Switch Back 9]

Jesus fuck.

This country has unbelievably serious problems. You don't see shootings like this anywhere else in the world

Sure you do.

In war zones.

 

[Forearms]

okay cool soooo you admit if he didnt have a gun he would have driven people over. so you admit that its not the guns to blame but the killer? so then youd have to admit that banning guns would not have prevented this crime from happening.

He wouldn't have been able to drive over 500+ people in a car. You're an absolute moron.

 

[Beartruck]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

Im sure he TOTALLY couldve run over 500 people without stopping or crashing. Totally possible. Mmhm yep.

Or y'know, maybe guns are the problem here. Cant run people over with a car from hundreds of feet away.

 

[Kusagari]

okay cool soooo you admit if he didnt have a gun he would have driven people over. so you admit that its not the guns to blame but the killer? so then youd have to admit that banning guns would not have prevented this crime from happening.

You know for sure that he would have driven people over if he had guns? Would Dylann Roof have driven a car through a church? Would Adam Lanza have driven a car through Sandy Hook elementary school?

Guess you've got all the answers.

 

[superdeluxe]

Sorry, I meant "necessity" as more hunt-to-survive in a more country / limited shopping scenario. I was bundling "hunt to have deer in freezer" as recreation.

Ahh I get ya now.

 

[Shadow Puppetry]

Yes, political, religious or ideological goals.







https://www.mi5.gov.uk/terrorism

Heck, Nevada's law:

 

[minor effort]

okay cool soooo you admit if he didnt have a gun he would have driven people over. so you admit that its not the guns to blame but the killer? so then youd have to admit that banning guns would not have prevented this crime from happening.

He probably wouldn't have injured nearly 600 people even with a car. You know this.

You're very transparent.

 

[Duxxy3]

i hate that the gun control thing is always the first thing the far left goes to. its the most simplistic route of logic possible. lazy even. if guns were illegal or even made "harder to get" with laws, it will not prevent things like this from happening.
besides, he could have just as easily killed as many by driving over people. probably more effective actually. anyone who has been to vegas before can tell you those sidewalks on the main strip or even the old vegas under that overhang are always packed with pedestrians.

More guns = more gun violence. Fewer guns = fewer gun violence. Plain and simple.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Really? Most hunters I know hunt to get deer in their freezer. or a combination.

We don't need to hunt for food anymore, therefore it's for recreation.

Get a bow if you want to be bad ass.

 

[niccoolnic]

okay cool soooo you admit if he didnt have a gun he would have driven people over. so you admit that its not the guns to blame but the killer? so then youd have to admit that banning guns would not have prevented this crime from happening.

Just to be clear, you have no intention of having an honest dialogue with anyone, right? Because that right there is some disingenuous bullshit. But keep deflecting.