I believe, it was the first time, where terrorist used a car to attack people in the west. So the police and the public wasn't prepared for it. It would be much harder to be as "effective" now.
Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.
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Doc Holliday
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So fucking true.
adamantypants
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Vegas native here.
Coworker called out today. Her friend got shot. My girlfriend's friend was at the concert. She was safe but her two friends were shot; one in the back, one in the foot.
I work on the Las Vegas strip, not last night tho. There is HEAVY police presence right now, all hotels have heavy security detail and are checking every vehicle entering their premises. Cops are stationed on every major street corner. Las Vegas blvd is locked down for about 2 miles (from Tropicana to Sunset). Pulling into work, I waited at a stoplight while 4 more police squad cars drove through with sirens on. Still hearing sirens from time to time.
Walking into work (near a hotel), I'm seeing a TON of people checking out and who can blame them. At least way more than I normally see on Monday morning.
This is surreal.
Lots of my Facebook friends are out donating blood today and it's good, my city is in need right now. There are pictures circulating on my Facebook feed; the hospitals look like a warzone.
Coworker called out today. Her friend got shot. My girlfriend's friend was at the concert. She was safe but her two friends were shot; one in the back, one in the foot.
I work on the Las Vegas strip, not last night tho. There is HEAVY police presence right now, all hotels have heavy security detail and are checking every vehicle entering their premises. Cops are stationed on every major street corner. Las Vegas blvd is locked down for about 2 miles (from Tropicana to Sunset). Pulling into work, I waited at a stoplight while 4 more police squad cars drove through with sirens on. Still hearing sirens from time to time.
Walking into work (near a hotel), I'm seeing a TON of people checking out and who can blame them. At least way more than I normally see on Monday morning.
This is surreal.
Lots of my Facebook friends are out donating blood today and it's good, my city is in need right now. There are pictures circulating on my Facebook feed; the hospitals look like a warzone.
BlackGoku03
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Edit: nevermind, he's banned. Got distracted at work. This thread is moving fast.
Not disagreeing with you guys but y'all have to understand this is the basis, almost word for word, people use in real life. I mean, almost word for word.
I hear it all the time here in SC. I think instead of hot takes thrown at that post, we could write something constructive like the below...
Very true. And well written.
For people who make that argument, it's an "all of nothing" kind of mentality. They also claim that gun control only hurts the honest gun owners. It does nothing for people who buy them illegally.
The question you have to ask them is "where are the illegal guns coming from?" Answer: from states that have lax gun laws. Example: Indiana bought guns travelling to Chi town.
Indiana's laws are so lax, you can legally saw off your shotgun. (You know, for those huge grizzly bear home invasions where you need a wide spread) They of course have the gun show loophole, so anyone can go to Indiana, buy assault rifles from a gun show (unchecked) and drive an hour into Chi town and sell them.
It happens in SC as well. A hand gun is relatively cheap here. I could technically buy 5 of them for a total of 2.5k and sell them in NYC for around 15k. It's a lucrative business for criminals and we need to attack it from that end as well. Not just gun control.
But we can't get there because the arguments stops before it begins. Because of the defeatist mentality citizens have and the lobby money paid to Republicans by the NRA and other gun manufacture interest groups.
Not disagreeing with you guys but y'all have to understand this is the basis, almost word for word, people use in real life. I mean, almost word for word.
I hear it all the time here in SC. I think instead of hot takes thrown at that post, we could write something constructive like the below...
Very true. And well written.
For people who make that argument, it's an "all of nothing" kind of mentality. They also claim that gun control only hurts the honest gun owners. It does nothing for people who buy them illegally.
The question you have to ask them is "where are the illegal guns coming from?" Answer: from states that have lax gun laws. Example: Indiana bought guns travelling to Chi town.
Indiana's laws are so lax, you can legally saw off your shotgun. (You know, for those huge grizzly bear home invasions where you need a wide spread) They of course have the gun show loophole, so anyone can go to Indiana, buy assault rifles from a gun show (unchecked) and drive an hour into Chi town and sell them.
It happens in SC as well. A hand gun is relatively cheap here. I could technically buy 5 of them for a total of 2.5k and sell them in NYC for around 15k. It's a lucrative business for criminals and we need to attack it from that end as well. Not just gun control.
But we can't get there because the arguments stops before it begins. Because of the defeatist mentality citizens have and the lobby money paid to Republicans by the NRA and other gun manufacture interest groups.
Screaming Meat
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I don't think there is one.
They just make it more and more obvious that they value their previous little bang bang toys than saving future human lives.
Warm Machine
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I can see Vegas disallowing firearms into the hotels and casinos. I can see Nevada cracking down in a state level in terms of ownership. This is going to hurt the economy of Vegas (and already has) and since Vegas runs on outside money they have the power and incentive to do something to project a safe environment to their clients.
Mengy
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It's a good question. I simply can't comprehend how someone can do this, it just doesn't register to me.
What a terrible tragedy.
America needs more gun control, how much death needs to be dealt like this before people are convinced?
Raven117
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We are through the looking glass when it comes to politics nowadays in the U.S. There used to be a day or two before the politics of these things came into play. Now, its immediate.
I've noticed that at least in Dallas, they now set up barricades so cars don't have access to the space where large gatherings are.
But this 'let's ban cars too' argument is still stupid. Cars, kitchen knives, etc -- these are utilitarian items that have uses that make them worth having, despite the dangers. Guns are just killing machines -- society operates just fine without 'shooting stuff' being a popular hobby, just look at most other modern countries.
Man Called Aerodynamics
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Yep, let's just keep on doing what we're doing, never dealing with the problem because that would "make it political." So nothing will ever change. Funny how it's the side of the debate that wants to keep the status quo that is always so concerned and offended at the timing of these discussions.
andythinkpad
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What it's coming down to is that, IMO, if this kind of random shooting happen a few more times in Vegas and it actually impact the bottom line of Vegas business. Then maybe, just maybe Vegas will get tougher gun laws. And I don't see anything happen in other gun states.
markofhavoc
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A "mass shooting" is defined as an event where for 4 or more individuals are injured or killed by a firearm. They do NOT necessarily all have to be fatalities.
dark_quota
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One could argue that an attack like this will be far less effective in the future as concert venues and nearby hotels/buildings with clear line of sight increase and improve security measures.
Golden_Pigeon
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About the ISIS claim:
I think it's a pretty big sign of their desperation that they are claiming more and more unlikely attacks.
I think it's a pretty big sign of their desperation that they are claiming more and more unlikely attacks.
Ya that's what I said, I need a mass shooting everyday. Bro.
So not everyday. Still crazy to think there's that many people getting shot.
Seems likely <> Is fact.
How About No
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Because US law makes it easy for it to happen
But yeah lets not politicize this tragedy tho, think about the victims but not the countless victims there will be afterward if we continue to ignore this
tearsintherain
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Guns are not allowed on any hotel in Las Vegas, there are clearly signs that say firearms are not allowed on property. It should not be a real shock that someone who wants to murder a ton of people doesn't follow the laws. With 10k+ people going in and out of most hotels each day its hard to actively police everyone, especially with elevators that go straight to rooms and people walking in with giant golf bags and the like. Security was really tight for a few years after 9/11, then got lax in the last few years. I imagine it'll get tighter again - for example they would search cars going into parking lots, blocked off the parking spots closest to the elvators (car bombs), etc and a lot of that got rolled back in the last few years.
There is a gun show every weekend in Vegas, its pretty small and mostly hobby stuff and mostly knives/ammo/etc. All guns sold in Nevada require a background check, even gun shows and private party sales - it was a citizen law passed in 2016.
adamantypants
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Already is. But hotel security isn't gonna run every person through a metal detector before they walk in. Not a good look for a tourist city. We're slowly becoming a blue state (thanks Clark County) and getting tougher on guns.
Still won't stop any psychopath from getting a cache of guns.
Dunedain_Ranger
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To get off politics for a second Is there a place I can donate in my area like a link. Im in California
While your heart is probably in the right place, this is an ongoing problem that isn't going to be solved by thoughts and prayers.
Glass Shark
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Not being able to find a motive would be far scarier than finding an easy one. What it means is that because of our culture of guns and violence in the US, literally anyone you think is normal or nice can become a mass killer with ease.
ronaldthump
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Dumb lazy logic always ruining everything
Im quite surprised that switzerland is so high up on that graph. But man, America is hurting itself by not implementing gun proper gun control. It can still be legal, but make the people who want one, really work for it.
Yes, when a mentally unstable person kills dozens of people, months after Trump made access to guns for mentally unstable persons easier, is obviously the wrong time to talk.
How fucking irresponsible of me.
And_Gignac
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ISIS literally using Fake News about themselves to stay relevant. Desperate fucks.
ChainedMaster
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Because it wouldn't make a difference? You seriously think if they ban guns and someone wants to hurt a bunch of people, they won't sneak to in anyway? If people bring their firearm to a hotel, it's for self-defense.
Warm Machine
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Of course. The system doesnt work if there is a loophole. Chicago is evidence enough of that. That is why there needs to be a state level start to this. The concept is a clearer projection of what is and is not allowed in the city. I was just in Vegas and I saw no indication of firearm laws and in a place like the US where many are packing it is oddly invisible.
Always-honest
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The Swiss all keep their army gun, if i remember correctly.
So many homes have a gun.
Lol, Iceland is amazing. There is basically no crime there, it seems.
https://twitter.com/mediumbuyingllc/status/914876972102189057
A week sounds about right for the NRA.
A week sounds about right for the NRA.
Other than secret service level security, I don't know how you reliably prevent something like this if there are buildings that overlook these venues. Not without these businesses taking extreme screening measures that no one is going to like. I'm not sure what else you'd do beside provide some kind of preventative covering, but you may as well just host the event indoors at that point.
Possibly but that would require people understanding this from an economic perspective rather than a 'DONT TOUCH MY GUNS" point of view in order for the people to support any statute that prevents that kind of ownership. Needless to say, i don't have the most faith that will happen.
Precisely. Vehicles, knives etc have certain functions that are integral to all societies around the world.
Guns are designed to destroy whatever's in their way. That's it.
It's amazing that we're still debating gun control and not acting. Meanwhile, incidents like these will continue to happen on the massive scale, and the NRA will continue to put the politicians in bed with them.
Ignatz Mouse
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Just amend his statement to "nearly every day." You're completely missing the point with this bullshit, it's just a dodge.
plagiarize
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Stuggernaut
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Damn up to 58 dead now and 500+ injured (Per CNN). That is scary.
I have a Vegas trip planned for December, which includes a concert... makes you really think.
I have a Vegas trip planned for December, which includes a concert... makes you really think.
markofhavoc
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I should clarify, someone stated that guns were allowed and I was wondering why. I know rules wouldn't stop them, we need stronger regulation as a whole
giant_frying_pan
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14 or 15 is just about one a month! That's practically NO murder at all!https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/914853632083877888
It depends on your definition of mass shooting, if its 4+ deaths then there have been 35, if its random civilians then its closer to 14 or 15 this year in the USA. The 270 number widely quoted around includes a lot of gang violence shootings.
I feel a lot better now that I know multiple people aren't being shot dead on a daily basis in the US. Thanks!!
Warm Machine
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Last thing I want at a hotel or anywhere is security like this. A heathy society shouldnt need it. Vegas especially doesnt want it because it pretty well prides itself on its moral freedom.
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