You can easy turn this around. Just banning weapons for criminals and people with mental disease would not be enough.
Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.
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Alcotholic
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You set yourself up.
But I generally agree with your the cars wont replace guns if we had gun control laws.
Palette Swap
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Hell, if people really want to push the analogy with Nice, they should acknowledge that ever since, barriers have been progressively added around the biggest public places and concrete blocks are used around every French festival Ive been to over the past year.
So I assume theyll be fine with adding preventive measures against gun attacks, and not just scratch their heads.
Croatoan
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Has this been posted? Go to 5:50.
https://youtu.be/JSq9T8Nuya0?t=5m43s
Witness says a women warned people were going to die but was escorted out by event staff.
https://youtu.be/JSq9T8Nuya0?t=5m43s
Witness says a women warned people were going to die but was escorted out by event staff.
So you're just going to go ahead and ignore those other countless mass shootings then. Guns. Guns were used in all of them.
Mass ventricular murder is not the issue we are dealing with in the US.
Lets stop all of this gun debate arguing. We all know that shit is never going to change in today's world. The killings will keep happening. There is nothing that will happen that will change the laws of this country. Free speech and gun ownership are protected for everyone's lifetime no matter how much we go back and forth about it.
May all of these innocent souls Rest In Peace and may all the injured heal. Thoughts and prayers to those that lost someone they cared for to this senseless act of terror.
May all of these innocent souls Rest In Peace and may all the injured heal. Thoughts and prayers to those that lost someone they cared for to this senseless act of terror.
That actually had consequences
All I'm saying is people just died and we need to pray for the victims. It doesn't have to be a prayer just send some positivity towards the victims and their families.
Is he confirmed to be mentally unstable or is this another deflection that distracts from the main point no one wants to address?
I'm not wading into the gun control argument because the gun lobby is too powerful and Republicans are too entrenched in the first amendment do anything about it. All I can express is fear because no one cares about my safety. I refuse to walk around with firearms scared some disaffected ______ male will target the venue I'm in for no reason.
This hit a little too close to home for me as far as waking up this amount of tragedy. Now children are growing up without their mothers and fathers. Grandchildren won't have the chance to speak to their grandparents. Husbands won't have a chance to see their wives. Wives won't have a chance to see their husbands and have to hold down the family without support. Pray for those injured that may recover from this and overcome this trauma.
This was pre-mediated.
You don't start shooting out of the blue with the arsenal he had in that hotel room.
TheRagnCajun
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No idea. I think if anything this is another example of how gun ownership and the overabundance of guns is a liability and not an asset.
superdeluxe
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I brought it up because people we're using it as a point that you can't do that with a vehicle. I absolutely disagree with his point about 'let's ban cars'
Chezzymann
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Holy shit every couple minutes theres another person that donates $50,000
They weren't ISIS and were of Pakistani origin... Both important differences to Western attackers
The Jazz Cabbage Master
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Yeah I should have been more specific especially with the reality of Nice. I just dont agree that normal cars are gonna be weapons that can kill and destroy like this. Nice was an enormous transport vehicle with more mass than civilians are using as their daily vehicles.
Saw a post on FB that says to consider donating blood at
7135 W. Sahara, Las Vegas, NV at the Labor Health and Welfare Clinic.
Isnt the woman he was with in custody? Hopefully she provides insight into the motive.
The man is white, over 60, watches Fox News, believe the south will rise again, a virgin, and rural hick redneck who pulls horses for a hobby. The man has always believed this shit and always will. I've called him and others of my family out and I've been called everything under the sun for it. Believe me, it's better to ignore them and let others know that racism is still at large. Of course, if you wanna come to rural Kentucky to argue with him then by all means go ahead.
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/1...aylists/president-trumps-address-to-congress/
Look at this drunken dumb fuck at 1:18 flipping off the gunman with a bud light in hand. A real bad ass! Get yourself and everyone around you shot. Can't believe people can be this stupid when something like this goes down.
Look at this drunken dumb fuck at 1:18 flipping off the gunman with a bud light in hand. A real bad ass! Get yourself and everyone around you shot. Can't believe people can be this stupid when something like this goes down.
Terrorism experts on Twitter who are reporting on the possible ISIS links of shooter:
http://twitter.com/Rita_Katz
http://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam
http://twitter.com/RymMomtaz
http://twitter.com/CruickshankPaul
http://twitter.com/siteintelgroup
http://twitter.com/Rita_Katz
http://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam
http://twitter.com/RymMomtaz
http://twitter.com/CruickshankPaul
http://twitter.com/siteintelgroup
While he was clearly misinformed, the overall point is that there is a gun problem in America and we would have LESS deaths with gun control.
ElectricBlanketFire
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If you can't yell fire in a crowded theater, you shouldn't be able to shoot them with a gun either.
Its creepy, but without knowing full details how do we know its actually related?
guybrushfreeman
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I agree completely but the post was factually incorrect.
The evidence suggests that these attacks are both more frequent and more deadly in the USA than in any other country (outside of warzones). The prevalence of firearms in the USA amplifies these events horrifically and inaction on firearm control continues to lead to an increased number and intensity of these attacks. It's truly horrifying to watch this keep happening over and over.
All these points don't mean the Nice attack should be forgotten or ignored however
LiquidSword
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There is a gun show almost every month in Vegas. Multiple per month across the state I reckon. Nothing is going to happen. They will continue business as usual.
Record sales.
The facts are, we need to stop listening to the apologists, and ban these types of guns.
Yes, you can use other things to commit mass killings.
But let's start with the most obvious thing first, we can take care of the other ones later.
When a patient has cancer, you don't bring up the argument that he could also have heart attack, so we should let them die. You remove the cancer first.
Yes, you can use other things to commit mass killings.
But let's start with the most obvious thing first, we can take care of the other ones later.
When a patient has cancer, you don't bring up the argument that he could also have heart attack, so we should let them die. You remove the cancer first.
See these are the areas conversations about gun control fall apart. Its gone from, "title II weapons should be illegal." I nod my head. "There is really no need for semi automatic weapons." Lift my shoulders and nod my head. "Fuck hunting, no need for it." Wait, what? I feel terrible for the victims. They just wanted to have a goodnight out and some nut destroyed lives instead, but lets not pretend for a second an over and under shotgun is the same thing as a title II weapon.
I can't believe I'm in a thread about something devastating and now people are attacking hunting. wtf
Yea but if there's an established pattern it might be easier to see if there are any irregularities.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Trump praises it.
Guarantee a lot more guns than normal will be sold. And that's a problem.
kamineko
Does his best thinking in the flying car
What do you suppose is the minimum acceptable effort when responding to an information-free concern troll from an alt account? I presume the poster was banned for good reason. I've offered a more thoughtful opinion elsewhere in the thread & feel that this thread is large enough for both approaches. I live in Arkansas, btw, people say all kinds of stuff in real life here, too.
Still investigating.
Honestly, sales through the roof. Lines out the door. Stocks are already up, it comes down to money.
And if it's anything like some of the shows I've seen or went to in the past, sales for confederate flag memorabilia will also through the roof. Strange how those are so easy to get at a one-stop shop...
The thing that always irritates me to no end about these shootings is how at the end of it all, the killer takes his or her own life. It makes you question why the hell they did it and what the motive was even though chances are that we may never find out. Killing for the sake of killing literally accomplishes nothing. Hard to say how this will affect the future of Vegas (let alone what will be discovered from our killer that could try and sway the argument one way or another).
Condolences to those in Vegas affected by this and hope that those who did get injured make a full and speedy recovery.
That's what people said back during the other mass shootings sadly... It isn't to say "Don't be shocked that we'll see another mass shooting in our future," but rather it is upsetting to think of just how common this issues has become as of late. We shouldn't be looking at the Orlando Shooting and thinking, "Well... Hopefully, it can't get worse than this," only for this to overtake that as "The deadliest mass shooting of the modern era."
I just hope we never see another mass shooting that has as high of a count of deaths and injuries as we saw here (let alone never seeing any mass shootings at all period).
Condolences to those in Vegas affected by this and hope that those who did get injured make a full and speedy recovery.
That's what people said back during the other mass shootings sadly... It isn't to say "Don't be shocked that we'll see another mass shooting in our future," but rather it is upsetting to think of just how common this issues has become as of late. We shouldn't be looking at the Orlando Shooting and thinking, "Well... Hopefully, it can't get worse than this," only for this to overtake that as "The deadliest mass shooting of the modern era."
I just hope we never see another mass shooting that has as high of a count of deaths and injuries as we saw here (let alone never seeing any mass shootings at all period).
perfectchaos007
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I get that, and agree with that, but at the same time its important for everyone to have their facts straight.
superdeluxe
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None of the 'car defense force' want to ban cars, outside of the original troll. People were filling the gaps for factual accuracy to the discussion
efyu_lemonardo
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None yet. But I find it hard to believe there wasn't one.
I see the notion of the gentleman terrorist is still popular. Telegraphing his motives, leaving calling cards. If the act incites or exacerbates a culture of fear in the general population it's terrorism regardless if you know the actors motives or not. Are you more afraid of guns, crowds, music concerts now? Are there others of you like that? That counts as terror to me.
everyday math
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Suitcases?
giancarlo123x
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He's been checked in since Saturday and it really isn't difficult to pack 10 guns in one suitcase as someone posted a pic of an example earlier.
This isnt a serious situation that requires presidential action, such as a guy kneeling for a couple seconds before a football game.
DrROBschiz
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Right?
Not to mention it was illegal weaponry to begin with
The logistics are mind boggling.. especially when Vegas has pretty serious surveillance to prevent gambling cheats and the like
I suppose hotels are pretty lax though?
hydragonwarrior
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If he smuggled them then there's likely a trail and it should be traced. None of what he had on him seemed like it was homemade.
Disassembled weapons in duffel bags wouldn't draw attention.
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