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[Bionic]

All I'm saying is people just died and we need to pray for the victims. It doesn't have to be a prayer just send some positivity towards the victims and their families.

I don't mean to sound rude, but this sentiment feels as counterproductive as the recent news story about the parents who let their jaundiced kid die without medical treatment because they prayed and left it up to god to fix. That's abdicating the responsibility to do something that saves actual human lives for the sake of feeling like you are "sending positivity."

If something needs doing in the world right now, people should be encouraged to take action, not told that they should "send positivity". They should vote, they should demand change, they should hold people accountable for failures to act on known systemic problems. They can also pray if they want to, but that's not going to change a damn thing in the world except make themselves feel better for "doing something".

 

[CloudWolf]

It depends on your definition of mass shooting, if its 4+ deaths then there have been 35, if its random civilians then its closer to 14 or 15 this year in the USA. The 270 number widely quoted around includes a lot of gang violence shootings.

You're saying this as if the problem is not too bad. Yes, 14-15 is better than 270, but it's still a hell of a lot.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

Well, shit, just saw this. My condolences to the families of the victims and to the residents of Las Vegas. What a horrible and senseless tragedy.

The gun control standstill would drive me mad if I was American. I hope things will change eventually but every time something like this happens it's never enough apparently.

 

[LegendofJoe]

Schools, movie theaters, chuches, night clubs, and now open-air concerts, where countless individuals are getting absolutely mowed down by guns. It's only a matter of time before more venues get added to this ever-growing list.

A white supremacist group sent threatening letters to a preschool in the next town up from me earlier this year. All because there are educated people of color who send their children there.

My kids attend a copy of that school with many Asian, Middle Eastern, and Black children. The fact that a racial hate group thought it was okay to terroriize a preschool where I live keeps me up at night. The thought of well off people of color being able to spend money to educate their children fills them with anger. So like the despicable pieces of shit they are they threaten their damn children.

Fuck, why is there so much hate in this world?

 

[BattleMonkey]

How the hell did he get so many weapons and ammo up 32 floors without anyone getting suspicious of his activity?

Vegas hotels are huge, Mandalay Bay is massive, hundreds of people coming and going at all times. No one watches or checks what people take or bring into the hotel rooms except at late night when they post security, and security does not check private bags of guests.

The man was checked in since last Thursday, he could have slowly been taking in the stuff for days now

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

How the hell did he get so many weapons and ammo up 32 floors without anyone getting suspicious of his activity?

The weight amounts to roughly 300 pounds assuming M16 and 5.56 or equivalents.

Volume-wise you could fit it into two large suitcases, but they'd be prohibitively heavy.

 

[Croatoan]

Terrorism experts on Twitter who are reporting on the possible ISIS links of shooter:

http://twitter.com/Rita_Katz
http://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam
http://twitter.com/RymMomtaz
http://twitter.com/CruickshankPaul
http://twitter.com/siteintelgroup

This has no "current" signs of being ISIS related.

Its kind of baffling what his motivations were if they were not political though.

If he was a Nazi why would he shoot up a Country concert? That is something a left wing extremist would do. According to his brother he was neither, nor was he a shooting, or gun enthusiast. Could just be a mental break, voices in his head kind of thing.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

How the hell did he get so many weapons and ammo up 32 floors without anyone getting suspicious of his activity?

Could have made several trips with the same suitcase. Hotels aren't going to be suspicious of some white guy in his mid-60s walking around with their luggage.

 

[Dyle]

How the hell did he get so many weapons and ammo up 32 floors without anyone getting suspicious of his activity?

There's nothing suspicious about bringing luggage to your room. A hotel would need to spend an insane amount of time/money to check everything, and even if they did, guests would view it as an invasion of privacy. All you need are some big duffel bags, given that he was at the hotel for several days, he could have totally just done it with a single bag if he wanted to. He likely just kept things in the luggage or put the do not disturb sign on the door which would have kept housekeeping staff from finding them.

 

[Instro]

Would stricter gun laws have even stopped a case like this (besides barring all gun ownership)? Man had no criminal records nor had a history of mental disease.

I think it's reasonable to say that stronger laws and enforcement might have stopped him from obtaining fully automatic weapons.

 

[Briarios]

How the hell did he get so many weapons and ammo up 32 floors without anyone getting suspicious of his activity?

Suitcases in a hotel, maybe? No one would think twice.

 

[Occam]

https://gizmodo.com/this-trigger-happy-glove-lets-you-simulate-machine-gun-1797434487

That's insane.

 

[EviLore]

How the hell did he get so many weapons and ammo up 32 floors without anyone getting suspicious of his activity?

Cosmic teleportation spores

 

[adamantypants]

Right?

Not to mention it was illegal weaponry to begin with

The logistics are mind boggling.. especially when Vegas has pretty serious surveillance to prevent gambling cheats and the like

I suppose hotels are pretty lax though?

They're watching the pits, not the rooms.

 

[LiK]

Hotel security is pretty lax unless they have an important person staying in the same place. Smuggling guns isn't an issue.

 

[Majukun]

just reading some news about the whole thigg and...he had several rifles and guns in his hotel room? is that easy to get weapons inside an hotel in the us?

 

[cdyhybrid]

Soooo, there's a Gun Show / Convention next month in Vegas...
What happens?

Nothing

 

[NullPointer]

Hearing that fully automatic fire in the videos is horrifying.

 

[dark_quota]

Concert venues/stadiums already have large concrete pillars etc. The problem is going to be parades, blockparties, open air markets etc

Better security would help in all of those situations to limit damage. I'm not saying that its is the only thing we should do, but it is definitely something I feel would help.

 

[Bionic]

just reading some news about the whole thigg and...he had several rifles and guns in his hotel room? is that easy to get weapons inside an hotel in the us?

It's very easy to get suitcases into a hotel in the US.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

If only all that money spent on weapons manufacturing research and production went on space exploration and medical research.

 

[Sectorseven]

Is there one of those Reddit pages up with real time update?

 

[ChainedMaster]

As a gun owner, here's my take on the gun control debate.

1. Yes such death and destruction is possible without guns. Nice attack killed even more people and injured hundreds. Oklahoma City bombing killed over 150 and injured many more. though one could make the argument that it's easier to go to a gun shop, stock up on ammo than it is to carry out the other attacks.

2. Believe it or not, these weapons are legal in Canada. Yet they don't have so many shootings. I propose a system closer to the Canadian system. The main points of their system is they need a license in order to purchase such weapons. This includes needing references who will vouch that you are not a dangerous person. This will allow weapons such as ARs and handguns legal while making it much more difficult for the wrong people to get their hands on them.

3. Of course this will never happen. Unfortunately the NRA takes any regulation as an infringement on rights. But I wish a sensible approach could be taken.

 

[superdeluxe]

just reading some news about the whole thigg and...he had several rifles and guns in his hotel room? is that easy to get weapons inside an hotel in the us?

Yes

 

[MJLord]

I see the notion of the gentleman terrorist is still popular. Telegraphing his motives, leaving calling cards. If the act incites or exacerbates a culture of fear in the general population it's terrorism regardless if you know the actors motives or not. Are you more afraid of guns, crowds, music concerts now? Are there others of you like that? That counts as terror to me.

Is that not just being afraid of crime?

Don't Terror attacks have to have to be classed as such through the context that they aimed to spread fear? Not just caused it as a byproduct?

 

[RichiRamjag]

This has no "current" signs of being ISIS related.

Its kind of baffling what his motivations were if they were not political though.

If he was a Nazi why would he shoot up a Country concert? That is something a left wing extremist would do. According to his brother he was neither, nor was he a shooting, or gun enthusiast. Could just be a mental break, voices in his head kind of thing.

It’s like that Dave Chappelle hostage joke. They don’t take black people because no one would care.

 

[AJLma]

just reading some news about the whole thigg and...he had several rifles and guns in his hotel room? is that easy to get weapons inside an hotel in the us?

Where in the world are you patted down before entering a hotel?

 

[oatmeal]

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/1...aylists/president-trumps-address-to-congress/

Look at this drunken dumb fuck at 1:18 flipping off the gunman with a bud light in hand. A real bad ass! Get yourself and everyone around you shot. Can't believe people can be this stupid when something like this goes down.

He should be arrested for goading on this mass murderer.

 

[giancarlo123x]

just reading some news about the whole thigg and...he had several rifles and guns in his hotel room? is that easy to get weapons inside an hotel in the us?

This random Google image tells me it's pretty easy.

 

[FyreWulff]

Right?

Not to mention it was illegal weaponry to begin with

The logistics are mind boggling.. especially when Vegas has pretty serious surveillance to prevent gambling cheats and the like

I suppose hotels are pretty lax though?

A lot of hotels straight up have side doors to get back to your room faster, you just need your room card to open them. Don't even need to walk past the front desk.

That's probably going to change, now. At least one ones near or are hosting an event.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

just reading some news about the whole thigg and...he had several rifles and guns in his hotel room? is that easy to get weapons inside an hotel in the us?

It's not like he walked in like Rambo. He surely had them concealed in his luggage. Hotels don't check suitcases for weapons.

 

[zeemumu]

How the hell did he get so many weapons and ammo up 32 floors without anyone getting suspicious of his activity?

Hotel security doesn't check your bags when you go in. Unless he walked in with a suspiciously gun-shaped bag, no one's gonna be able to tell.

 

[Mahonay]

just reading some news about the whole thigg and...he had several rifles and guns in his hotel room? is that easy to get weapons inside an hotel in the us?

Extremely. But he did it over time in luggage. The bigger problem is how easy it is for a person to obtain that kind of fire power.

 

[GhaleonEB]

just reading some news about the whole thigg and...he had several rifles and guns in his hotel room? is that easy to get weapons inside an hotel in the us?

If they were hidden in luggage/baggage. I've only been to Vegas once (last year) but our hotel didn't have any kind of scanner/metal detector. It's entirely possible they just packed them up and carried them in.

 

[Temeculan3000]

I think it's reasonable to say that stronger laws and enforcement might have stopped him from obtaining fully automatic weapons.

I doubt he had true fully automatic weapons. He likely had a gat crank mod on an AR-15. The rate of fire in some of the videos was irregular. Seems very likely to be a semi-auto rifle that was modded.

Now some of these mods are legal now and may be banned. But a gat crank could be a DIY job if you have the skills and tools.

Another possibility is a bump stock mod.

 

[pompidu]

How can people live with this kind of paranoia and fear all day, all night, constantly ready to defend themselves, constantly in fear of intruders that are out there to murder you?

I mean, if mental health is an issue, most gun owners already sound mentally ill with all the paranoia, fear and probably schizophrenia when talking about how everyone is out to get them.

"I need my gun to protect my family from murderous intruders, it's the mentally ill that shouldn't have guns" - this line of thought (to me as european) sounds absolutely mentally ill already and so such a person shouldn't have a gun.

People are driven by fear.
Heck, that is the foundation of most religion, do something bad, get sent to a bad place. And people driven by fear are more likely to buy stuff that gives them a sense of comfort, such as a gun. If you have a strong message, you can brainwash tons of people in believing the craziest shit. NRA puts fear into people believing criminals are going to brake into their house or the government is gonna come a knocking and take all your shit.

These people don't have mental problems, it's years of propaganda and fear mongering being established with no basis on facts. A civil discussion with a gun nut will go nowhere, it's engrained in them the justification of having a gun, wether they are right or wrong. They must have a gun because they've been trained to believe they need it.

 

[SyenceLabb]

I would like to know how the police determined the shooters location as quick as they did. I know I heard about law enforcement being able to see the muzzle flashes from the building, but as far as floor and room; I'm interested in the order of events.

 

[JawzPause]

The thing that always irritates me to no end about these shootings is how at the end of it all, the killer takes his or her own life. It makes you question why the hell they did it and what the motive was even though chances are that we may never find out. Killing for the sake of killing literally accomplishes nothing. Hard to say how this will affect the future of Vegas (let alone what will be discovered from our killer that could try and sway the argument one way or another).

Condolences to those in Vegas affected by this and hope that those who did get injured make a full and speedy recovery.



That's what people said back during the other mass shootings sadly... It isn't to say "Don't be shocked that we'll see another mass shooting in our future," but rather it is upsetting to think of just how common this issues has become as of late. We shouldn't be looking at the Orlando Shooting and thinking, "Well... Hopefully, it can't get worse than this," only for this to overtake that as "The deadliest mass shooting of the modern era."

I just hope we never see another mass shooting that has as high of a count of deaths and injuries as we saw here (let alone never seeing any mass shootings at all period).

I think maybe some of these shooters want to make an impact before they go. They want to be all over the news and want to be down in history. So they go and kill as many people as possible in the hope that they've been cemented in history. Just a theory ofcourse

 

[rokkerkory]

RIP to all and praying for everyone else to recover. Just so sad.

 

[Jeff Freecss]

Wow, just learned about this. I feel terrible even though I am not a American. But to be honest, the first thought came to my mine after the news was "with crazy US gun owners like this, who needs ISIS?"

And what's with this rule of "thoughts and prayer?" before any gun discussion? I first saw this in the Bojack Horseman Season 4 and don't understand the joke. And now I can totally see the joke now.

 

[Swiggins]

just reading some news about the whole thigg and...he had several rifles and guns in his hotel room? is that easy to get weapons inside an hotel in the us?

Throw em in a suitcase and nobody would ever be the wiser.

Hell I read a report that a lot of illegal gun sales are performed in hotels for this exact reason.

 

[RangerX]

Its not even the gun laws that need to change, guns are a huge part of the political culture in the states. In my country people don't want guns. I quite literally don't know a single person who has a gun. They are so wrapped up in the American psyche that its going to be very difficult to change.

 

[superdeluxe]

I would like to know how the police determined the shooters location as quick as they did. I know I heard about law enforcement being able to see the muzzle flashes from the building, but as far as floor and room; I'm interested in the order of events in determining that.

KTNV said the amount of smoke coming from his guns set off the smoke alarm in the room

 

[RaidenZR]

There is a gun show almost every month in Vegas. Multiple per month across the state I reckon. Nothing is going to happen. They will continue business as usual.

Multiple per month? Fuck.
A good chunk of this country has a sickness.

 

[Pilgrimzero]

If they were hidden in luggage/baggage. I've only been to Vegas once (last year) but our hotel didn't have any kind of scanner/metal detector. It's entirely possible they just packed them up and carried them in.

Question is, will Vegas hotels have better security now?

I’m guessing not.

 

[Tagyhag]

just reading some news about the whole thigg and...he had several rifles and guns in his hotel room? is that easy to get weapons inside an hotel in the us?

Yeah, guns have their own valet in the fancier hotels. It's crazy I know.

 

[LiK]

I would like to know how the police determined the shooters location as quick as they did. I know I heard about law enforcement being able to see the muzzle flashes from the building, but as far as floor and room; I'm interested in the order of events.

I think the broken windows helped.

 

[BattleMonkey]

just reading some news about the whole thigg and...he had several rifles and guns in his hotel room? is that easy to get weapons inside an hotel in the us?

Hotels do no check bags in the US, I dunno I've traveled quite a bit and never has my luggage been inspected at any hotel anywhere in the world.

 

[H.Cornerstone]

As a gun owner, here's my take on the gun control debate.

1. Yes such death and destruction is possible without guns. Nice attack killed even more people and injured hundreds. Oklahoma City bombing killed over 150 and injured many more. though one could make the argument that it's easier to go to a gun shop, stock up on ammo than it is to carry out the other attacks.

2. Believe it or not, these weapons are legal in Canada. Yet they don't have so many shootings. I propose a system closer to the Canadian system. The main points of their system is they need a license in order to purchase such weapons. This includes needing references who will vouch that you are not a dangerous person. This will allow weapons such as ARs and handguns legal while making it much more difficult for the wrong people to get their hands on them.

3. Of course this will never happen. Unfortunately the NRA takes any regulation as an infringement on rights. But I wish a sensible approach could be taken.

After Oklahoma City bombing, we banned civilians from being able to purchase ammonium nitrate

 

[Majukun]

It's very easy to get suitcases into a hotel in the US.

the news site talks about dozens between rifles and guns..that's a lot of suitcases