Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.

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Puff pieces? The point of those interviews seem to be pretty clearly about how no one saw it coming, not to somehow make the shooter look sympathetic.

Well, in essence, they do nothing but that since no one ever thinks these things are coming. There'd be no such thing as mass shootings in the first place if we could always predict it so talking about how "nice" someone was before they kill dozens doesn't mean much.
 
I read an interesting stat on the Guardian that 70% of gun deaths in America come courtesy of handguns, and less than 4% from rifles, so any attempt at gun control would have to take that dynamic into account. Sure, make it harder for people to get hold of handguns, but to make any serious dent in the numbers, the only way is with a blanket ban, which will never happen.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/21/gun-control-debate-mass-shootings-gun-violence

Given the amount of handguns in circulation, I would say that is reasonable. However, everyone in this thread knows guns will not be banned. So, what are realistic boundaries?
 
Has anyone done further research on Dan Bilzerian returning to the Strip with a gun? I know he posted that and while the active shooter status was still ongoing, the police scanner had reports of a white man with a gun entering a club, possibly to clear it out?

I just think it's absolutely maddening that we had a white shooter and possibly an armed white man walking around trying to save people. What would have happened if a black or brown civilian did that?

I don't agree with Bilzerian's stance on guns. Even worse his stance on Trump. But he did lead people to safety and acted like a great human being in this circumstance:

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/914854003963555840

He might think he's Rambo and that guns solve everything, but he obviously did more than Trump for this people. I actually think that he COULD reevaluate his stance on gun control after this event he could be a positive voice for change. America needs heroes more than ever right now. I don't know if he would go there, but it's obvious he should. Experiencing something like that where it's obvious that having a gun wouldn't solve literally anything and not push for gun control sounds like complete insanity to me.
 
What part of "He's a gambler and he's trusting" gives insight into his motivation though?
Again, they're going to report anything they can find. They're going to interview anybody who can provide a sense of who the shooter was. The only real narrative to this story so far is that nobody knows why this happened, so expect all kinds of details to emerge, large and small.
 
From that title of the TMZ tweet, I would assume they're caping for him? Why?
I would click the article but nah, not trying to give them a click.
 
Watching this guy's brother talk about how he seemed so normal is just so... disturbing. It seems like he was just a normal guy who did no wrong. Clearly his brother (and mother it sounds like) had no idea what he was thinking.
 
The idea that it's not a race issue when white men commit shooting crimes is just completly dishonest. It's been a few hours, and here are two articles specifically dealing with race and white shooters. More will come. If you honestly don't think race is brought up when white's commit shootings, you are either admitting you don't actually read the news, or are just ignoring the articles that do exist.

Wow two articles !
Please search the term "islamic terrorism" and "violent muslim" now.

I think you are severely deluded if you think that brown/black/muslimness is treated as whiteness on those kind of case.

I mean, Breivik was largely considered a madman while he wrote a 1000+ manifesto of white supremacism and christian fundamentalism.
 
I’m hearing from multiple people a woman yelled you are all going to die tonight 40 mins before shooting. Apparently from witnesses.
 
Thanks for the replies. When I hear 10+ rifiles, a boatload of ammo.. I'm thinking the weight alone would be difficult to transport, let alone the size of it. I wasn't trying to say it couldn't be easily done, just that it SEEMED really difficult to do.

I didn't realize you can pack that much shit into a suitcase

Even if he had a few flight cases on wheels, it would not be unusual to see people bringing cases with lighting or musical equipment to a Vegas hotel.
 
How do you think Obama or Trump wrapped/wrap their heads around these things when they find out about them? I know, I know, Trump sucks, but as the Commander in Chief, what is circling through your mind?

" I should have saved that trophy dedication. Wasted it on lazy Puerto Rico. "
 
His motives are irrelevant. He killed dozens of people. Why are we running puff pieces on him from his friends?
Because the media are a bunch a fucking drug dealers and the starving vultures need to be fed so they go around and dive in on information, any information...

Even if it is false.

Or they harass the family until they break down on camera.

For the juicy clicks.

Fuck them.
 
I’m hearing from multiple people a woman yelled you are all going to die tonight 40 mins before shooting. Apparently from witnesses.
I've only seen the one girl who was interviewed on camera state this, did any other witnesses confirm and say this as well?
 
How do you think Obama or Trump wrapped/wrap their heads around these things when they find out about them? I know, I know, Trump sucks, but as the Commander in Chief, what is circling through your mind?
My highly biased guess

Obama: how do I use this to get more public support for gun control

Trump: I get to go to Vegas!
 
Because everything in America is most of the time about a race issue and you damn well know it. You already got people trying to deflect the shit.

https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/status/914883179378393089

I am with you on that, and I get the "deflecting" but how is trying to figure out this guy's motives and intentions, history and background, is whitewashing?

they are reporting what they know about the guy as more shit unravels. Why do we have to interpret that as media whitewashing? I am not saying media doesn't do some despicable shit 60% of the time...But how is this particular reporting whitewashing?
 
I'm hearing from multiple people a woman yelled you are all going to die tonight 40 mins before shooting. Apparently from witnesses.
Yeah, I saw that video. The witness said a woman forced her way to the front of the crowd and was taken away by security ~40 minutes before the shooting started. At some point before or during this the woman screamed to the crowd that they were all going to die.

Here, it was from earlier in this thread:

Has this been posted? Go to 5:50.

https://youtu.be/JSq9T8Nuya0?t=5m43s

Witness says a women warned people were going to die but was escorted out by event staff.
 
I’m hearing from multiple people a woman yelled you are all going to die tonight 40 mins before shooting. Apparently from witnesses.

Yeah, an concert-goer was being interviewed about that. Someone posted a Youtube link to the interview. I'd wait until law enforcement responds before any more stock is put into it.
 
I have a feeling we will never know why this happened.

The constant barrage of news betrays the complexities of these situations. Real details and hard facts are hard to come by. Proper investigations realistically take weeks to get to the heart of horrible situations like this.

Frighteningly though by the time we have the facts the media has already moved on from the story and the initial misinformation stages are what gets remembered by the public
 
I just spent a week looking at posts about kneeling during the anthem. These same people not today just post. well can't fix crazy.

and move on.

what world do they live in?
 
What scares me is that nothing will be done. We’ll hear the usual “thoughts and prayers” bullshit we usually hear from politicians and they’ll go right back to business as usual after a couple of weeks/months. This country is fucked up.
 
His motives aren't irrelevant to trying to discover what would cause someone to do this and potentially stop the next time.

I do agree though, that it just seems like in these situations color does absolutely change the discussion.

White people = oh no poor guy he went crazy
POC = these animals, we should have known!

Please show me one example of anyone who has said "poor guy".
Get this garbage out of this thread.
 
Huh!? They are reporting what they know so far! He was basically a typical white American that gambled, owned two boats, had no priors...They are also reporting that ISis is trying to claim that he converted to islam recently, but mostly a hoax...

What else do you want to hear from them? What did they miss?

So if this was a PoC, and also had no priors, are you saying media would lie and say he had priors? What are you guys getting at?

They are reporting what they know so far, and they just learned that he was a son of a FBI 10 most wanted criminal from the 60's, who was diagnosed as a psychopath and had suicidal tendencies ... How is this new revelation connected with Whitewashing? Please entertain me some more with your hysteria!




Why?

His motives aren't irrelevant to trying to discover what would cause someone to do this and potentially stop the next time.

I do agree though, that it just seems like in these situations color does absolutely change the discussion.

White people = oh no poor guy he went crazy
POC = these animals, we should have known!
Sorry, probably poor phrasing. His motives were bad - which flavor of bad is irrelevant - so running these pieces that have an effect of humanizing him is irresponsible at best.
 
If he had shot up a concert of mostly black concert-goers of course people would be linking him to white supremacist groups, and no one would feel bad about such speculation.

I agree with your point though. Brown people get linked with ISIS, white people get the benefit of the doubt.

I'm pretty sure that many mainstream commentators would point out he had a tough past or mental issues. My point is that whites going rampages is treated as an anomaly so you have to find some individual reasons to fit the narrative.
 
I have a feeling we will never know why this happened.
That's one of things that bugs me when a killer just commits suicide. It's the easy way out. There is little understanding, no trial, no punishment, no feeling of justice. All that is left to do is mop up and grieve.
 
I heard someone say that they was someone in the crowd an hour before saying you all are about to die. Sounds like a typical bullshit rumor. Any truth to it?
 
I just spent a week looking at posts about kneeling during the anthem. These same people not today just post. well can't fix crazy.

and move on.

what world do they live in?

One where they believe there are only certain types of people, depending on race, gender, religion etc. are deserving of empathy
 
I don't agree with Bilzerian's stance on guns. Even worse his stance on Trump. But he did lead people to safety and acted like a great human being in this circumstance:

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/914854003963555840

He might think he's Rambo and that guns solve everything, but he obviously did more than Trump for this people. I actually think that he COULD reevaluate his stance on gun control after this event he could be a positive voice for change. America needs heroes more than ever right now. I don't know if he would go there, but it's obvious he should. Experiencing something like that where it's obvious that having a gun wouldn't solve literally anything and not push for gun control sounds like complete insanity to me.
My point was more, if you were at the Strip either as a cop or civilian and you see a civilian with a gun during an active shooter situation, especially one where there's reports all over about gun fire and no one knows if this is a coordinated attack with multiple shooters, what would you do? I would probably run or fight. I'm not going to wait to see if he's a shooter or playing hero.

But only a white man could do this and not think the police would kill him on sight, even when the shooter is white.
 
Stay away from twitter, the amount of toxic and misleading shit is staggering.

First he's from ISIS
Then He's from Antifa
Then He's a Hillary Supporter
Then he's a Trump Protestor
Now he's a feminist
Now they're photoshopping his face onto random left wing protestors

All these things have thousands of retweets.

Think this is the bots at work?
 
NBC News are reporting that the shooter lost a lot of money on gambling the days prior to the shooting - possibly tens of thousands of dollars.

Such a bizarre case.
 
Because everything in America is most of the time about a race issue and you damn well know it. You already got people trying to deflect the shit.

https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/status/914883179378393089
Why call them "thugs", bro? Just say what you really mean! This is already a shitty enough tweet, just say the actual word you wanna say.

God, I hate this country
NBC News are reporting that the shooter lost a lot of money on gambling the days prior to the shooting - possibly tens of thousands of dollars.

Such a bizarre case.
Lost, or blew? People have a habit of blowing thousands if they know they're about to spend their last day on earth
 
Sigh, just horrible. All I want to do is drive/fly to Vegas and just spend some time there -- living in LA, it's my absolute favorite place to go on a free weekend.

RIP to the victims and their families.
 
I’m hearing from multiple people a woman yelled you are all going to die tonight 40 mins before shooting. Apparently from witnesses.

Yeah and it's also rumored that the two broken windows were from two different rooms.

I'll take this with a grain of salt but that is a wide area between the two windows. How big are these rooms?

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