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[Protein]

What scares me is that nothing will be done. We’ll hear the usual “thoughts and prayers” bullshit we usually hear from politicians and they’ll go right back to business as usual after a couple of weeks/months. This country is fucked up.

Republicans haven't even put any ideas on the table to solve this issue aside from "we need more guns."

 

[Eidan]

Yeah and it's also rumored that the two broken windows were from two different rooms.

I'll take this with a grain of salt but that is a wide area between the two windows. How big are these rooms?

Washington Post still has the prevailing theory that he shot from two rooms.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...-1220pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.c899fd94cf89

 

[mackattk]

The sad part is there doesn't need to be that many bots to make that deluge of nonsense

Get on reddit... make a comment on a racist/controversial/delusional sub like T_D.. get a bunch of comments and your fake news is successful. That is literally all it takes these days.

 

[Aurongel]

I heard someone say that they was someone in the crowd an hour before saying you all are about to die. Sounds like a typical bullshit rumor. Any truth to it?

Unsubstantiated hysteria at this point.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Sorry, probably poor phrasing. His motives were bad - which flavor of bad is irrelevant - so running these pieces that have an effect of humanizing him is irresponsible at best.

I donno, I think people project their own naive emotions into this type of reporting see him as more "humanized"

What he did is beyond evil and beyond words, and beyond barbaric ,.. I donno,.. I have no words... More the reason why I am interested to learn more about what makes a human being with two arms and a pair of legs and a brain to cause such horrific act.

I honestly want to know what drove this guy to do this? Learning that he lived in a retirement community and owned two boats is not making me understand his despicable action any more or even "humanize"ing him.. It's just giving me information about his living arrangement, etc.

 

[NullPointer]

Unsubstantiated hysteria at this point.

Hysteria seems like a bit much, but its certainly unsubstantiated. Its one witness after a traumatic situation that shouldn't be taken as fact.

 

[Palette Swap]

Unsubstantiated hysteria at this point.

I read a good Twitter thread about how the usual keyboard Nazis manufactured all that bullshit in real time :
https://twitter.com/broderick/status/914801273584709632

 

[plagiarize]

What scares me is that nothing will be done. We’ll hear the usual “thoughts and prayers” bullshit we usually hear from politicians and they’ll go right back to business as usual after a couple of weeks/months. This country is fucked up.

If people really want to talk about mental health, then YES. We should be doing more for people with mental health issues. Write the bill. Fund it. I'd happily pay more in taxes to know that mental health was finally being treated fairly.

But it won't. Because these people are also against healthcare.

So what the fuck?

 

[BattleMonkey]

Yeah and it's also rumored that the two broken windows were from two different rooms.

I'll take this with a grain of salt but that is a wide area between the two windows. How big are these rooms?

Breaking the windows and just all the gunfire alone could have damaged windows. Also the police breach could have damaged the windows more. For all we know the 2nd window was just damaged from something else. It also could be a suite, a large hotel room or connected rooms.

 

[iJack]

My point was more, if you were at the Strip either as a cop or civilian and you see a civilian with a gun during an active shooter situation, especially one where there's reports all over about gun fire and no one knows if this is a coordinated attack with multiple shooters, what would you do? I would probably run or fight. I'm not going to wait to see if he's a shooter or playing hero.

But only a white man could do this and not think the police would kill him on site, even when the shooter is white.

Oh, that I completely agree with. It was dumb from him to comeback. But there are other images of him with the cops and he is not carrying any weapon on his hands. So he either lied about going back with guns, gave up on carrying them or was hiding it. There were reports of an armed civilian that fits his description running around the Strip helping evacuate clubs though, so yes, white privilege would probably play a big part on him not getting gunned down if he was openly carrying a weapon in the crowd.

With that said, that's one situation that obviously shows that gun control IS needed in the US and it needs to happen fast. This is an obvious situation where "good guys having guns" is completely and utterly pointless. What would they do? Shoot at the building and kill more people? Stricter gun control is obviously needed in the US. This madness needs to stop.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

Republicans haven't even put any ideas on the table to solve this issue aside from "we need more guns."

🤦🏽 Fucking hell.

 

[Pkaz01]

Yeah and it's also rumored that the two broken windows were from two different rooms.

I'll take this with a grain of salt but that is a wide area between the two windows. How big are these rooms?

Nope he had a corner suite, those rooms are huge

 

[Miggytronz]

Yeah and it's also rumored that the two broken windows were from two different rooms.

I'll take this with a grain of salt but that is a wide area between the two windows. How big are these rooms?

When I stayed at Mandalay Bay years ago we got a King Suite and it had several panes of glass on the window side, about 4-6 per room. Guessing here. So looking at the photo he shot from two rooms.

 

[Foffy]

So, when do we get to the "not the time to talk about guns and the near-exclusive American problem of civilian gun violence" arc in this story?

I'm thinking around 5PM EST.

I feel numb learning of this story. Once again, we have another issue of shootings in America. Would the fact this being the greatest loss of civilian life since 9/11 change a single thing here? Probably not..

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Hysteria seems like a bit much, but its certainly unsubstantiated. Its one witness after a traumatic situation that shouldn't be taken as fact.

Psssshhhhh.... Alex Jones is about to make that chick famous.

So, when do we get to the "not the time to talk about guns and the near-exclusive American problem of civilian gun violence" arc in this story?

I'm thinking around 5PM EST.

Really? You think it takes that long?

 

[3rdman]

Man...a client of mine (who is married to one my coworkers) was there last night working the event. His tool-case was shot and he has a graze on his arm which thought was from a hot, expelled cartridge...this is of course impossible so the mark must have cone from a bullet inches away from killing him...sooooo lucky. Crazy!

 

[Ernest]

Great post from John Pavlovitz...

If you’re an American gun lover, I’m not going to argue with you today.

I’m not going to exchange news articles and opinion pieces and stat graphics.

I’m not going to absorb lazy, tired platitudes about people killing people or about heart problems.

I’m not going to respond to personal attacks or allegations of my disregard for your individual freedoms.

I’m not going to debate which acts of terrorism are worth decrying and which worth justifying.

I’m not going to compare body counts and skin colors and shooter’s names.

I’m not going to trade snarky insults or angry tirades or verbal jousts.

I’m not going to play one religion against another in ascribing culpability.

I’m not going to listen to critiques that I’ve become “too political” over something that to me is far greater than politics.

I’m not going to engage in violence with you as a way of protesting violence.

I am going to spend today trying to create a more peaceful world in whatever way that I can.

I am going to spend it practicing the compassion and benevolence and kindness that I preach, as much as I am able.

I am going to spend it fully grieving the loss of all innocent life.

I am going to spend it lamenting the fact that no amount of bloodshed seems to merit any other action than fiercely retaining the horrible status quo.

I am going to spend it mourning the fact that Sandy Hook wasn’t enough, that Charleston wasn’t, that Colorado Springs wasn’t, that Orlando wasn’t enough, that more mass shootings than days of the year aren’t enough to move you.

I am going to spend it praying for those who devalue life—and those who do nothing when it is squandered.

I am going to spend it knowing that for as long as I live, I will always represent one less gun in the world.

I am going to spend it trusting that a “bleeding heart” is always better than a dead one.

I am going to spend it being a person of life, surrounded by so much unnecessary death.

I am going to spend it living out my personal faith convictions, that tell me I cannot repay evil for evil, that I must turn the other cheek, that I must pray for my enemies, that I don’t get to take an eye for an eye.

And I am going to do it all armed solely with the belief that Love is the only worthy weapon worth advocating for.

I will not engage in another shootout today.

I will lay down my guns.

I will not return fire.

Peace.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

If people really want to talk about mental health, then YES. We should be doing more for people with mental health issues. Write the bill. Fund it. I'd happily pay more in taxes to know that mental health was finally being treated fairly.

But it won't. Because these people are also against healthcare.

So what the fuck?

We are all screwed. Democrats really need to get their shit together. I don’t know how long this country can last under Republicans.

 

[Plasma]

Republicans haven't even put any ideas on the table to solve this issue aside from "we need more guns."

Boggles my mind that some people actually believe that this is the way to solve this problem.

 

[TheContact]

Been at work all day, is there a motive yet ?

 

[mr stroke]

Yeah and it's also rumored that the two broken windows were from two different rooms.

I'll take this with a grain of salt but that is a wide area between the two windows. How big are these rooms?

The Mandalay Bay suites are huge and can fill multiple windows like that. Or you could book 2 adjoining rooms and run back and forth

 

[Apharmd]

Pretty sure the AnimEVO suite was a corner suite like this? Could easily cover both of those windows.

 

[kmax]

 

[NullPointer]

I read a good Twitter thread about how the usual keyboard Nazis manufactured all that bullshit in real time :
https://twitter.com/broderick/status/914801273584709632

Here is a direct link to the Las Vegas KSNV news segment:
[url]http://news3lv.com/news/local/reports-of-multiple-people-shot-at-music-festival-on-las-vegas-strip[/URL]

The video is embedded in the body of the article.

UPDATE AT 10:30 a.m. | One woman at the music festival, Brianna, reported that about 45 minutes before the shooting, she saw a woman pushing her way forward into the front row of the concert venue.

"She started messing with another lady and told us that we were all going to die tonight," Brianna said.

Brianna claims that the woman was then escorted out by security.

Again, this is an unsubstantiated report, but its not manufactured.

 

[parrotbeak]

Oh, that I completely agree with. It was dumb from him to comeback. But there are other images of him with the cops and he is not carrying any weapon on his hands. So he either lied about going back with guns, gave up on carrying them or was hiding it. There were reports of an armed civilian that fits his description running around the Strip helping evacuate clubs though, so yes, white privilege would probably play a big part on him not getting gunned down if he was openly carrying a weapon in the crowd.

With that said, that's one situation that obviously shows that gun control IS needed in the US and it needs to happen fast. This is an obvious situation where "good guys having guns" is completely and utterly pointless. What would they do? Shoot at the building and kill more people? Stricter gun control is obviously needed in the US. This madness needs to stop.

Right, it's not like the police don't have enough guns themselves. They need to coordinate the response among their own teams, secure areas and figure out where the threats are. I don't know of any situation where they needed more fire power and could have used civilians with guns.

 

[Foffy]

Psssshhhhh.... Alex Jones is about to make that chick famous.



Really? You think it takes that long?

I just woke up, so I'm giving the country a deep, deep benefit.

I'm sure that people pulled that card at 6AM when I first heard of the story.

 

[Snaku]

I hope Alex Jones' dick turns black and falls in the crapper.

 

[Croatoan]

That's one of things that bugs me when a killer just commits suicide. It's the easy way out. There is little understanding, no trial, no punishment, no feeling of justice. All that is left to do is mop up and grieve.

Usually these types leave a manifesto or something. Also, killing from such a distance is odd in these cases. I can tell you right now that this will be a case studied by criminologists for a long time if his motives remain so ambiguous. Also, conspiracy theorists are going to have a field day.

I mean a rich white dude that was supposedly known to some staff in vegas as a complete dick, but a regular, just decides to shoot up a country music concert for no reason? I mean the dude had cameras set up but offed himself even though he could have used them to get the drop on cops?

 

[M52B28]

I hope Alex Jones' dick turns black and falls in the crapper.

What's wrong with black dick?

 

[Calion]

Unsubstantiated hysteria at this point.

There was an interview about it.

Link

 

[Vital Tundra]

Here we go. Got people arguing with me about gun control and trash. How is "bad people will still get guns" a valid argument? Another good one is "other crimes will rise because of gun control". And then you have people just getting made that I even entertain the idea of stronger gun control. Like damn I just want less people to die.

 

[Erv]

I'm sure if he didn't leave a note behind the trail he left on social media and the internet will provide a motive

 

[kaiju]

Thanks to all that responded about the rooms/windows.

This is a Mandalay Bay vista suite with several windows:

 

[Snaku]

What's wrong with black dick?

Nothing if you're black. If a white guys dick turns black...well

 

[Lieutenant Shinysides]

I'll take this with a grain of salt but that is a wide area between the two windows. How big are these rooms?

I've stayed there before. The rooms are huge and it may have been the biggest/nicest room I've ever stayed in.

 

[linkboy]

I hope Alex Jones' dick turns black and falls in the crapper.

I'd rather he just cease to exist, would make the world an infinitely better place.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I think it's just some bitter old dude deciding to kill himself and take as many as he can with him. Don't see why there has to be some political motive behind it. Some people are fucked up and if he was going to kill himself anyway then he had nothing to lose.

 

[WesternHeretic]

Number gonna probably go up too. My cousin who works at the hospital there told me they just air lifted a bunch of surgeon from ULCA over. There still quite a few ongoing surgeries in process.

Shit is fucking nuts.

This shit happens way too often.

 

[mr stroke]

and nothing will ever change in America

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

What's remarkable is all the events that aren't on the list. Aurora Colorado being a major one.

 

[chromatic9]

NBC News are reporting that the shooter lost a lot of money on gambling the days prior to the shooting - possibly tens of thousands of dollars.

Such a bizarre case.

How many days? I read he checked in on the 28th Sep.

Is it a response to losing before or is just blowing his money before his planned attack. He wouldn't be carry all those guns normally and even in America I doubt this guy could amass all this that quickly. Sounds like he had this plan weeks or months ahead.

 

[NullPointer]

ABC : At least 19 weapons found in Las Vegas shooter's room: Sources

Police have found at least 19 weapons in the hotel room that was used by the suspected Las Vegas concert shooter Stephen Paddock.

Two sources familiar with the investigation said that there were a combination of rifles and handguns at the scene, and one of those sources said there were 19 weapons in the room.

Earlier, Clark County sheriff Joseph Lombardo said that there were at least 10 rifles in the room but noted the investigation was still underway.

No further details about the specific nature of the weapons have been confirmed by police.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

I think it's just some bitter old dude deciding to kill himself and take as many as he can with him. Don't see why there has to be some political motive behind it.

It's possible, but an attack like this isn't something you just decide to do without serious consideration.

 

[TheCthultist]

Right, it's not like the police don't have enough guns themselves. They need to coordinate the response among their own teams, secure areas and figure out where the threats are. I don't know of any situation where they needed more fire power and could have used civilians with guns.

The only one I can think of was the University of Texas shooting back in the 60's. A bunch of citizens with guns shot back at the shooter in the tower while the police stormed it. Mind you, I don't think they were specifically asked to do so; so even that doesn't really set a precedent. The whole concept of trying to "help" the situation by grabbing a gun and coming back into a dangerous situation, essentially making yourself another target and putting even more people in danger, is just baffling to me. Let the police do their job.

 

[Swiggins]

What's remarkable is all the events that aren't on the list. Aurora Colorado being a major one.

Or fucking Columbine.

 

[Garlador]

What's remarkable is all the events that aren't on the list. Aurora Colorado being a major one.

Charleston sprang to my mind, given how racially motivated it was.

Doesn't even crack the top 10.

 

[jwhit28]

Is there some science behind bringing up the heroism of the first responders and people in the crowd, as well as patting all the public officials on the back for making sure they put out a message and help when asked? Is it shown to keep people calm or something? I've never lost a family member or friend to this sort of thing, but watching that Las Vegas police conference and seeing the officials give shoutouts to each other and making sure all their names are brought up to prove they did something would make me much more angry. "Here are all your politicians that did such a wonderful job doing their job and making a prepared statement", but what about gun violence "please don't politicize this sir".

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

Jesus. I somehow am just now hearing about this at 11 am pst. RIP to all the victims and fuck this piece of shit for doing this. Just horrible.

and nothing will ever change in America

Sad but true. Guns are more important than human lives here.

 

[Swiggins]

The only one I can think of was the University of Texas shooting back in the 60's. A bunch of citizens with guns shot back at the shooter in the tower while the police stormed it. Mind you, I don't think they were specifically asked to do so; so even that doesn't really set a precedent. The whole concept of trying to "help" the situation by grabbing a gun and coming back into a dangerous situation, essentially making yourself another target and putting even more people in danger, is just baffling to me. Let the police do their job.

The UT Tower shooter was actually the event that spurred the formation of SWAT units.

 

[UnObtainium17]

and nothing will ever change in America

It’s hard to not fall into despair after witnessing one after the other happen but I still got hope we will do the right thing eventually...