Massive Duck. C.M.
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"I refuse to date race x" is not a preference lol
Is refusing to date people of certain races racist?
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"I refuse to date race x" is not a preference lol
Then to answer your initial question, no, I don't think that's racist.
Not that I'm the fucking arbiter of anything!
Drillary Clinton
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I will say that I think a lot of the reasons for white males being unattracted to black women to tend to be more racist than not, especially considering black women are one of the most marginalized groups.
This is going to lead to a whole other discussion about systematic racism in America in the context of white beauty standards, tho.
This is going to lead to a whole other discussion about systematic racism in America in the context of white beauty standards, tho.
TheCthultist
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Really thought you were joking the first time you said it but I guess not. Sorry man, but that one is just blatantly not true. Anyone, regardless of race, can be racist.
SuperStiltzkin
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We should frame this in a way the kids will understand.
You know how you guys get mad when people say they don't like anime cause of the looks? It's like that, but with people.
Find the the Cowboy Bebop of Black people and Asian men. - SuperStiltzkin, Gaffer, philosopher
You know how you guys get mad when people say they don't like anime cause of the looks? It's like that, but with people.
Find the the Cowboy Bebop of Black people and Asian men. - SuperStiltzkin, Gaffer, philosopher
Drillary Clinton
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The definition of racism as simply prejudice cuz of skin color is antiquated and reductionist. In America many now agree that it is in fact a system that is at the very foundation of the country, of which only few can benefit from while it marginalizes the rest.
Those characteristics aren't shared by every member of a race though. Even then, it's a mighty big coincidence that a lot of people just happen to not be attracted to a set of characteristics just happen to show up frequency in people of a specific race.
Can people stop talking about races? Races don't exist. Talking about races like they exist and separate us is the very basic definition of racism.
Then there's segregation/discrimination, ostracism, but racism isn't it, racism is categorizing/hierarchizing humanity in separate morphological/cultural groups falsely called "races".
Please. There's no races.
Then there's segregation/discrimination, ostracism, but racism isn't it, racism is categorizing/hierarchizing humanity in separate morphological/cultural groups falsely called "races".
Please. There's no races.
Drillary Clinton
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Just curious, where are you from?
Thornton Reed
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It all depends in context
if a friend says "I'm not dating a black person because i don't like black people" then thats obviously racist
if a friend says "I'm not dating a black person as i'm not generally attracted to black people" then thats not racist, not even close.
I wouldn't date a girl peroxide blond hair as i don't find it attractive. People have preference and taste. It's quite simple.
The first page of replies of this thread are exactly what i expect from this forum at the moment.
if a friend says "I'm not dating a black person because i don't like black people" then thats obviously racist
if a friend says "I'm not dating a black person as i'm not generally attracted to black people" then thats not racist, not even close.
I wouldn't date a girl peroxide blond hair as i don't find it attractive. People have preference and taste. It's quite simple.
The first page of replies of this thread are exactly what i expect from this forum at the moment.
Soapbox Killer
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What about choice of porn?
France.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)
Talking about races in my country is considered offensive. By political correctness, i mean. There's racist people here too.
2d>3d is all that matters
Prototype Viktor
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i'm not saying it is, but that sounds like a lie b/c of the part between the commas and factoring everything else you said
Drillary Clinton
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Race is a cultural construct with no real biological basis but unfortunately it is very real in society. Talking about race and race relations is very important as racism will not cease as a problem if we continue to try denying it and sweeping it under the rug.
A preference is preferring some quality that can usually be changed. You can prefer plus sized, tall, well dressed, or whatever people. You're racist if you say you won't dare certain races, because that's not something that can be changed.
Someone whose family has an immigrant background could be culturally similar. I know that affects my relationships a bit. Id just as easily date someone whos second generation Polish American or Nigerian American as I would someone of my ethnic background.
I would date anyone i like regardless of anything, but i'm married. So...
But that concept of discriminating people because you find them separate from you, as from another race (which doesn't exist but whatever), is indeed racism.
And even, if you say something like, "i don't date blonde because i don't like them", or "i don't date people woth glasses bc i don't like them", even if it is not really really racism (it is in fact, as races as a concept are arbitrary ones), is something you shouldn't be proud of. Stop categorizing people.
Stop thinking of people like groups of same people. Every individual is different. Even if some have the same beliefs or skin tones.
You are deeply wrong. People tends too often to fight racists but don't really fight the concept of racism.
Fight racism. Fight that concept. Explain to everyone why it is a bad and an absurd concept. This is where the argument should go.
By fighting racists you make them more real than ever.
But that concept of discriminating people because you find them separate from you, as from another race (which doesn't exist but whatever), is indeed racism.
And even, if you say something like, "i don't date blonde because i don't like them", or "i don't date people woth glasses bc i don't like them", even if it is not really really racism (it is in fact, as races as a concept are arbitrary ones), is something you shouldn't be proud of. Stop categorizing people.
Stop thinking of people like groups of same people. Every individual is different. Even if some have the same beliefs or skin tones.
You are deeply wrong. People tends too often to fight racists but don't really fight the concept of racism.
Fight racism. Fight that concept. Explain to everyone why it is a bad and an absurd concept. This is where the argument should go.
By fighting racists you make them more real than ever.
Acting like things that exist don't exist isn't that helpful. Especially when people are using its existence to hurt others all the time. Race is a social construct. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. After all how was it constructed if it doesn't exist? That just means it's a social category, like class or gender.
Talking about race is also not "the very basic definition of racism". The French approach is not the correct one.
Putting people into boxes like blonds might be just as arbitrary as putting them into boxes of racial category, but it is not the same thing at all. These things have a history. They have a context. This means something. Pretending like it doesn't merely shores up the existing power structures that perpetuate pain.
Zeyphersan
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No, it very very very much isnt
People with bad arguments really love the word "logic" don't they. Read the thread if you want to actually engage with the people that addressed this facile argument.
I mean that's just not how anyone understands that word. it is a preference, and that preference is racist.
Since dating is more about your own body chemistry, I would say no, it's not. However, the "refusing" part seems pretty rough: If you "click" with another person and you don't want to see her/him anyway, because of the color of the skin or the hair, it's something else.
But this constellation should be quite rare. People have their own tastes and choices with their companions and that is one area noone should interfere from the outside.
I like who I like. If anyone steps up and calls me racist, because I don't fulfill a equality race quota or something, I would shrug and move on.
But this constellation should be quite rare. People have their own tastes and choices with their companions and that is one area noone should interfere from the outside.
I like who I like. If anyone steps up and calls me racist, because I don't fulfill a equality race quota or something, I would shrug and move on.
GAF's not ready for this.
GAF is a social construct.
im not ready for threads about sandwiches
Is it? People are hammering this home over and over again, but they aren't providing any reasons. Dating is obviously intensely social.
Eh why? By the way people do this passively constantly. We could work on actively doing this for a good reason by changing cultural attitudes.
Sure, and you'd be worse for doing that.
Lol Im probably gonna be flamed by someone for being a critical theory hack
Camper Van Beethoven
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No more so than a gay man is sexist
People arent prejudiced because they prefer certain visual features. Maybe the foundation of their preference has some sort of societal influence in it, but people dont have to pretend to find anything attractive.
People arent prejudiced because they prefer certain visual features. Maybe the foundation of their preference has some sort of societal influence in it, but people dont have to pretend to find anything attractive.
Laieon
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...what? That's completely ridiculous. Racism is simply the belief that your race is superior to another. Whether or not you're benefiting from that belief is completely irrelevant.
too many racist babies
Drillary Clinton
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Ive already explained how this definition is outdated in the context of America
Via Purifico
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I feel like there needs to be bulletin board on how biological attraction is not the same as race and goes into detail why bringing that up is a logical fallacy.
Thornton Reed
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When did the definition of racism change?
its more simple than that. If you have prejudice based around someones ethnicity then that is racist. Superiority doesn't have to come into it
This post is hillarious considering that over the past decade or so there has been a very real change in the typical look of a "Pinup model" or the ideal sexualized beauty. From the past preference of blondes like Marilyn Monroe or Pamela Anderson to the present day where women with Ruby Blonde hair/Natural Hair and Dark Skin is very much en vogue. (Ie Twintelle, Beyonce, Rita Ora, Nikki Minaj, Kim Kardashian, Meghan Markle, Nathalie Emanuel ect)
SuperStiltzkin
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???
What's sexual orientation got to do with this? you implying gay men are gay cause they haven't had any good pussy?
Chuckie
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But there is a term for what you mean. It is called institutionalised racism. Also there are a lot of non-Americans on this board and in most countries the word racism still means what it meant a 100 years ago.
perfectchaos007
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rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/Submit
noun
1.
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
"the comments have led to her being called a racist"
And i think you are wrong. Sorry.
Race is indeed a social construct. And it has an history and people suffers from that. But i don't thing calling out people for not liking x races is the correct way to adress than pain.
So deconstruct it. Call them out for categorizing/hierarchizing people into races. The reality should be that all humans are equals even if they have morphological/cultural/whatever differences. So why referring to races, then?
Fight the words. Everytime you say that word you make it legit. Stop using that word. Fight racism, fight discrimination against people of color, it's indeed the same fight.
Fight why white people feels black people are inherently different than them or even inferiors to them. Fight the concept.
Drillary Clinton
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I.... what?
Only until recently have black women even began to wear their natural hair en masse due to white beauty standards. Even then there are still stigmas against hairstyles such as these being unprofessional in the work place. Black women cant even really wear their natural hair in the military because it is unprofessional
This is fine and dandy but for years the official definition of the N word was just someone who was shiftless and lazy and racists who used the epithet pointed to said definition in defense of their egregious use of the word, sometimes saying things like, and Im being anecdotal here, anyone can be one not just black people!. Even tho most rational people understand the word is used historically towards black people.
We now see this annotated in dictionaries decades later.
TheCthultist
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The second definition is also super applicable to the topic at hand.
But, again, these are the definitions I've been going with for typical racism for a while now. If there's a new one, by all means throw it in there with them.
Thornton Reed
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ah good to see it hasn't
Well, then I play my vegan card. How would you react if I came along to your home and called you a bigot monster for eating dead meat and causing global warming? That's assuming that you're not part of the 13%.
I don't think you would like that and I don't think you would even listen to any argument coming from such a person. So that approach won't work in 99%+ of the cases, because there are some very intimate issues with dietary choices or dating choices. It's hard-wired in our genes and brains and I don't think people should come from the outside and tell me that I *have to* date a person based on sex and gender. It's my choice and my body. I don't have to defend these choices. Ever.
On the contrary: The moment someone steps in and tells me that I have to date persons based on the color of their skin or gender, I would have met a racist/sexist. The pettiest even.
I say let it go. Educate people that people share the same pains, wishes and tastes. And then let them decide. The vast majority of people on this planet know this already, so we don't even have to work that hard on changing social norms. Time does it for us. If we push into this arena, it will work against us. People double down on false beliefs if pressed.
https://fr.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/racisme
racisme ʁa.sism masculin
Conviction quon peut catégoriser les êtres humains en une série de races en se basant sur des critères physiques scientifiques, surtout quand cela saccompagne dune hiérarchisation, consciente ou inconsciente, entre ces races.
Or:
http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/racisme/65932
"The belief that we can categorize/hierarchize humans into biological groups."
Go ahead.
And for the record, it answers OP by YES IT IS.
Drillary Clinton
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I believe we have already established that race is a social construct and I dont think anyone in this thread is saying race is biological.
Can we skip to the second last bit? K thanks xx
This always comes across like bullshit because there is a huge diversity to the "visual features" of black people.
It would be one thing if their preference is "I'm only attracted to white people" but for it to be "I'm attracted to everyone except black people" then I honestly can't see how it isn't societal.
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