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Is refusing to date people of certain races racist?
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Trump really has ruined that colour, but lets fight to restore the glory of orange after he fades back to oblivion.
LookAtMeGo
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You strike me as a brunette type of guy.
This logic allows for the statements:
"Lmao at people saying its racist... we all have our economic preferences how the fuck does that make you racist."
"Lmao at people saying its racist... we all have our labor preferences how the fuck does that make you racist."
"Lmao at people saying its racist... we all have our neighborly preferences how the fuck does that make you racist."
That might be indicative of a problem in your thinking.
Frankly I just don't understand how someone could take a statement like "I don't date black women" and not see it as racist. The only thing going on in the statement is racism.
People can have preferences, sure, but outright refusing to date people of a certain race is obviously racist.
Frozenprince
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Critical mistake being made here.
You're assuming these folks care about silly things like "logical thinking".
Came to say this exact thing.
Via Purifico
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I wonder where down the line preferences became synonymous with outright exclusion.
I think there's a big difference between having preferences and outright refusing to date someone because of their race.
Poor GRIMES
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Racial preferences are synonymous to outright exclusion to me honestly. Having a racial hierarchy of those you deem most to least attractive sounds muddy and ugly, because at that point you're basing all of your potential attraction on the race rather than the individual features that the person possesses.
Via Purifico
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Yes, that certainly is a very messy thing but it's just that I see the word preference used in the wrong context a lot.
Even though you're right, I feel saying outright no is just not the same as liking one type of person more than another even though that too can be messy on its own.
Gunna need to see the receipts for this. Sexual attraction is an incredibly personal topic which is completely unique to each individual.
I can agree that beauty standards are influenced/set by the media and society, however, I'd argue that these beauty standards are an averaging of what people find attractive. Ie: people's sexual attractions influence what's considered beautiful by society, however, I can't the see the reverse being true.
Drillary Clinton
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This isnt so much a response to the threat just a related question. Im a white dude and I could never see myself dating a person of my own race. Am I a racist?
SciencePilot
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I think it is racist and bad to say "I won't date people of X race."
A big problem with that way of thinking is that you are writing off individuals without even giving them a chance. Each individual of X race is unique. Maybe there are some individuals of X race that you would find attractive and dateable if you kept an open mind and spent the effort to get to know them.
When you say "I won't date people of X race," what you're saying is that you're judging people on the basis of race and won't even consider judging them on a more personal, individual level. That's racist and bad.
A big problem with that way of thinking is that you are writing off individuals without even giving them a chance. Each individual of X race is unique. Maybe there are some individuals of X race that you would find attractive and dateable if you kept an open mind and spent the effort to get to know them.
When you say "I won't date people of X race," what you're saying is that you're judging people on the basis of race and won't even consider judging them on a more personal, individual level. That's racist and bad.
Via Purifico
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If that's the case then why is it for many people including POC that it often tends to be whiteness?. There has to be a line somewhere where society does shape our beauty perceptions not just the other way around.
Not saying you can't genuinely feel a certain attraction but there are definitely cases where it's molded by outer forces.
Why can you not see yourself with another white person.
Drillary Clinton
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I rarely have an initial attraction that leads me to pursue said attraction
LookAtMeGo
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Twas beaten
Stare-Bear
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Dated a black guy who would only date white guys...is he racist?
(Also complained about white guys not being interested in black guys on apps like grindr... he didnt see the irony in his own actions)
(Also complained about white guys not being interested in black guys on apps like grindr... he didnt see the irony in his own actions)
Drillary Clinton
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Black people cant be racist so, Id say no.
Have you pursued anyone / been in a relationship with anyone?
Do you think you may have 'white guilt'?
Oh for fucks sake.
I am not sure actually, you don't really choose who you are attracted to, if you don't feel attracted to black girls for example I don't think you are necessarily racist, it's not like you made a choice based on race, you just don't feel attraction, period.
It may be more likely that people who don't feel attracted to people based on skin color are racist, but if you really think about it it's not that different from not being attracted to a certain eye color or hair color.
Maybe said people just haven't met a person of the race they never felt attraction to yet that they find attractive.
It may be more likely that people who don't feel attracted to people based on skin color are racist, but if you really think about it it's not that different from not being attracted to a certain eye color or hair color.
Maybe said people just haven't met a person of the race they never felt attraction to yet that they find attractive.
Androidsleeps
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Well, yes.
Now everyone has preferences sure, but saying you wouldn't date a (insert race here) is racist, I don't see how it isn't.
Although, "hookups" or one night stands could be a bit different? Since that is pretty much a meaningless interaction and one may be specifically searching for a specific "thing" or something. I'm basically giving the benefit of the doubt to all these "No (certain races/nationalities) plz" profiles on those hookup apps.
Now everyone has preferences sure, but saying you wouldn't date a (insert race here) is racist, I don't see how it isn't.
Although, "hookups" or one night stands could be a bit different? Since that is pretty much a meaningless interaction and one may be specifically searching for a specific "thing" or something. I'm basically giving the benefit of the doubt to all these "No (certain races/nationalities) plz" profiles on those hookup apps.
Poor GRIMES
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I'll post one journal article, it's one that hits home, considering my identity.
Is Sexual Racism Really Racism? Distinguishing Attitudes Toward Sexual Racism and Generic Racism Among Gay and Bisexual Men
Authors: Denton Callander Christy E. Newman Martin Holt
Also, if I'm misinterpreting what you're saying: yes, society deems what is unattractive as well. White men have the highest response rates on average compared to non-White men on online dating platforms. This is because White men are overly represented in the media. Furthermore, Asian women, the most exoticized women in the media, have the highest response rates. Whereas, Black women and Asian men have the lowest response rates because the media masculinizes and portrays Black women as "strong and independent" while Asian men are desexualized as emasculate, non-sexual beings.
TheCthultist
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Sounds like it.
Drillary Clinton
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Without getting too personal yes Ive had many relationships. Theyve all been with black women. I dont believe I have white guilt but all of my friends outside of my internet ones are black and always have been.
Racism is a system of which black people do not benefit from. Ergo, they cannot be racist. They can be prejudice, but their prejudice has no negative implications on a grand scale against white people.
Via Purifico
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I've seen you pull this same type of question in another thread, not sure what your angle is but yes.
It's possible to be racist/prejudice towards your own race and with how the gay community hammers home how it's white men who are the most attractive...
LookAtMeGo
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Haha wot mate? You dont find them attractive but you find some attractive? What do you mean by "that way"? You think they can be hot but you just wouldnt want to date them because??
I agree, the former is still almost always going to be racist though.
Via Purifico
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Right? like wtf either you are or you're not.
Your post above about how black people can't be racist leads me to believe (armchair psychology here) you idealize if not outright fetishize black people if all of your relationships and friendships only involve them.
And for your edit, it only holds water if you are specifically speaking to the American experience. And even then, it's pretty fucking leaky.
Poor GRIMES
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Well, I don't know about you, but I, for one, have never considered not dating someone because they aren't the perfect template of what I consider to be my "dream significant other." If the point of contention for you is their skin color when considering whether someone is dateable or not, then that is highly questionable and you should immediately reflect on where your preferences come from and how your implicit biases play a role in your life.
In addition, I'm certain that many claiming that they are incapable of feeling sexual attraction towards a person of color is more than willing to make an exception for a gorgeous, White, brunette woman over their idealized blonde or red-haired woman.
nekkid
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Theres the possibility that this was a poorly-articulated comment on preference.
You cant help what type youre attracted to, so not wanting to date a black girl because youre not attracted to them isnt racist.
But if you take the comments as given, which sounds a lot like I couldnt date a black girl on principle, then yes, thats racist.
You cant help what type youre attracted to, so not wanting to date a black girl because youre not attracted to them isnt racist.
But if you take the comments as given, which sounds a lot like I couldnt date a black girl on principle, then yes, thats racist.
SciencePilot
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I recommend to keep an open mind, and meet many people. There are lots of unique individuals out there, maybe someone will surprise you.
Drillary Clinton
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I grew up in a majority black city. I didnt make my friend selections based on their race, they happened based on the proximity and forming natural bonds with them. Im honestly a little offended by your post.
I do have an open mind and have tried to go outside of my usual comfort zone a few times. Just didnt work out well.
I talked about this earlier, consider how much more being what we would call fat was considered attractive in the 18th century than it is today.
Meanwhile do you have any argument for why society plays no role in this sort of thinking when it clearly plays a role in literally every other form of thinking?
Wait so you agree society has an influence?
What? What mechanism would make this happen? Moreover why would this change over time then? Clearly some sort of historical forces are involved.
Why? Literally every other part of your thinking is socially and culturally informed.
If you think about it a little bit more you'll realize that traits associated with specific racial groups have a long and problematic history quite likely in play that eye color and hair color do not have to the same extent.
Mate, you're the one stating he couldn't see himself in a relationship with a person of his own colour, dunno what you expected from that.
For the record, I wasn't trying to be insulting - I'm straight up when it comes to that.
Drillary Clinton
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Are you from the states?
White Australian. Me in my avatar.
Drillary Clinton
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I live in the US South. Most of the times I do try and befriend other white guys they turn out to be racists. The few exceptions, we live too far apart to see each other on a regular basis.
Your avatar is dope.
Fair enough, re-reading your initial post I guess you're saying you would still be open to a relationship with someone of your own race if the stars happened to align?
Or has your past experience coloured your views so much that your default opinion of white southerners is 'racist'. Because I think we might be having an entirely different conversation to the topic at hand if that's the case.
As for the avatar, that's a Prax job (thanks again) you can always try your luck in the free portrait thread.
I posted a link to one Tence, but its like black culture, I'm not going to tell you where it is, you'll just have to look it up yourself.
Conor_Fool
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Nope. Having preferences is not racist. I've dated black women that only date white men...so be it.
The idea can be racially charged for sure. But most people with a "type" will quickly adapt once they meet someone they truly like, regardless of race or ethnicity.
The idea can be racially charged for sure. But most people with a "type" will quickly adapt once they meet someone they truly like, regardless of race or ethnicity.
There's a lot of racist then. 95% of the girls i've attempted to speak with, before meeting with my wife, told me they wouldn't even talk with me because i have red hair.
I have been offended my all life about this but people don't seem to think it is discrimination or racism.
Redhead are discriminated/mocked everytime and it is apparently totally fine. So fine people doesn't even try to hide it.
I have been offended my all life about this but people don't seem to think it is discrimination or racism.
Redhead are discriminated/mocked everytime and it is apparently totally fine. So fine people doesn't even try to hide it.
Sad Affleck
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If you are attracted to an individual of a certain race but refuse to date him or her because of that race then yes, it is racist. If you don't find the shared characteristics of a race attractive then no, I don't think it's racist.
Drillary Clinton
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My experiences have definitely colored my perception of people of my own race, at least where I live and reinforced it.
I would be open, and Ive tried. But I dont think its going to be something I actively pursue anymore. Like you said, if the stars align then they do. I just dont see it being very likely.
Absolutely. Pretty much textbook definition. "I don't swim with black people" is pretty racist. "I don't date with black people" is racist too.
The interesting question, to me, is if racism is a social construct and our internal preferences are defined by our social factors, can people ever change from their internalized racism? Considering modern academics have come to a soft conclusion that homosexuality is not a choice due to the complex nature of genetic, endocrine, and - for our purposes, most importantly - social factors, is sexual racism. for lack of a more specific term, also not a choice? A problem that can't be easily fixed until the institutional issues that cause it are dealt with? And following that logical line, probably the most difficult question, how should sexual racists be viewed by society if this is the case?
Probably not the right venue for this discussion, but I would be interested in people's opinions regardless.
The interesting question, to me, is if racism is a social construct and our internal preferences are defined by our social factors, can people ever change from their internalized racism? Considering modern academics have come to a soft conclusion that homosexuality is not a choice due to the complex nature of genetic, endocrine, and - for our purposes, most importantly - social factors, is sexual racism. for lack of a more specific term, also not a choice? A problem that can't be easily fixed until the institutional issues that cause it are dealt with? And following that logical line, probably the most difficult question, how should sexual racists be viewed by society if this is the case?
Probably not the right venue for this discussion, but I would be interested in people's opinions regardless.
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