Dragon Ball FighterZ - Characters, Specials, and Stages Discussion
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Guys, I don't think people hate the U6 Saiyans cause they're females. They don't like how they made the SSJ transformation piss easy, and they're probably the same people who hate Super.
And no, it's different than Trunks/Goten because their dads reached SSJ when they were conceived (or something like that I dunno).
And no, it's different than Trunks/Goten because their dads reached SSJ when they were conceived (or something like that I dunno).
AlphaDragoon
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Cauli is dope as fuck. Ribrianne I don't have any particular feelings about other than she's kinda goofy (but that's the point). It's just Kale that's trash.
The Silver
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Jiren should be the secret final boss, and you can't face him as Beerus. He just stands there for a few seconds tanking your blows, then says get lost and proceeds to beat the dogshit out of you, go the distance to make him virtually unbeatable.
Star Orpheus
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Vegeta wasn't a Super Saiyan when Trunks was conceived and by that logic Bulla should be freaking stronger then Cell.
While it's not the only reason people dislike Kale and Caulifla, it is absolutely a factor for some people. Again see the reactions to Caulifla and Jiren meeting Goku and how they differ.
If you're someone who was bothered by how easily Caulifa/Kale got Super Sayian but AREN'T bothered by how easily Goten/Trunks got Super Sayian then I think there is a problem. A "tingly back" is about as stupid as "my dad's sperm had more muscles". The only sensical thing is to hate both or give both a pass.One reason not to do so is nostalgia but then you have to admit there is no "logical" reason why you hate how easily Caulifa/Kale got SS. I struggle to think of any others that aren't bullshit or problematic but maybe you can enlighten me.
It'd be really nice if they added the ToP stage in the game
Doubtful, though I'll take fighting above Earth itself, where Goku and Beerus did battle.
All I know is, the gendered language that tends to be used against female characters people really don't like is... eye-opening. It's not and never will be this narrative where people are saying that no one should be allowed to hate or criticize them (So fear not, no one needs to insinuate that), but simply noticing some of the words that people use to criticize them as opposed to male characters can at times "differ", to put it lightly.
Like Caulifla and 17 for example. Both prominent examples of people taking issue with how Super addresses the power levels or whatever. Yet in 17's case, I saw endless poacher jokes, or people just straight up say Super is a trash show, but I honestly don't really recall many, if any, instances of people insulting 17 specifically, much less involving his gender. Whereas while yes, people also make/made jokes about tingly backs and also criticize Super overall in Caulifla's case, there's also this segment of the fanbase that had no qualms targeting the character itself in an unnecessarily ugly way.
Obviously this does not apply to everyone that dislikes the characters, but they're out there nonetheless.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
PLEASE
So how about that Tapion guy
Star Orpheus
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Well I've been meaning to watch Fusion Reborn.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
One of the best looking movies.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Those types of people will always exist, but let's not let them take away from the real issue, which is that they're the most poorly written characters in the show and they shit on the Super Saiyan transformation even more than Goten and Trunks, who at least had a lineage factor. You don't see the same negative reaction to 18 because 18 is actually being awesome this arc without any contrivances. The stupid "sister" dynamic is really irksome as well.
Kale is meant to be AU Broly, and Broly was the most poorly written character in DBZ, so it at least fits in that regard. At least their attacks are cool. I won't deny that the idea of a FemBroly is conceptually interesting, and that her "mastered" form is a neat idea, but again, the writing justifying their transformations is just not good. I think it has to do with how the transformation was originally revealed - Super is such a tonally different show from Z in that its power ups feel like they're given more freely, so when its liberal treatment of transformations/power-ups is applied to the iconic SS transformation, it feels like it's stepping on its sanctity.
I love Super btw.
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
The only one I actively dislike is Kale, and that's because of the character she was based on.
Her Japanese voice actor doesn't help either.
TheRealTalker
Banned
were is your avatar character from?
I know I saw her somewhere but now it is annoying me that I can't remember where
it is a indie game right? or one started at kickstarter or is it a fighter
BabyFaceKillah
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When you gotta talk down about the previous series to defend the newer one then your arguement is garbage.
TheRealTalker
Banned
oh yeah lol they fused the anime with something akin to skull girls (edit well maybe not skull girls since I didn't play that and assumed maybe the art style was similar) and Shantaei (more so this)
now I know why my brain was so confused
Star Orpheus
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The "sanctity of Super Saiyan" will never not make me laugh.
You mean the ancient prophecy of legend that literally three more characters learn in the very next arc? The transformation that was rendered obsolete in that arc? That to quote one of the shows own characters became "a child's plaything."
That the sacred transformation your going on about. That this character ruined despite still being like 5 levels bellow our heroes.
I also love how people bend over backwards to justify their hatered. No Goten and Trunks totally don't count because there dads were super strong. Let's ignore that we have no idea what the average strength of a Universe 6 Saiyan is nor do we even now if that's how genetics work in Dragon Ball.
Not really. Why does the original series get a free pass. Why didn't Goten or heck even Gohan ruin the series if Suoer Saiyan is that special?
I just don't like how often the explanation boils down to "it's ok because it was in Z so it doesn't count."
You mean the ancient prophecy of legend that literally three more characters learn in the very next arc? The transformation that was rendered obsolete in that arc? That to quote one of the shows own characters became "a child's plaything."
That the sacred transformation your going on about. That this character ruined despite still being like 5 levels bellow our heroes.
I also love how people bend over backwards to justify their hatered. No Goten and Trunks totally don't count because there dads were super strong. Let's ignore that we have no idea what the average strength of a Universe 6 Saiyan is nor do we even now if that's how genetics work in Dragon Ball.
Not really. Why does the original series get a free pass. Why didn't Goten or heck even Gohan ruin the series if Suoer Saiyan is that special?
I just don't like how often the explanation boils down to "it's ok because it was in Z so it doesn't count."
I'm sorry, I just can't get upset over them achieving Super Saiyan for reasons that have already been stated, I really just can't, so y'all do you. Especially when Cabba did it "normally", yet no one seemed to have nearly as much of an issue with that. Yet people are flat-out told that Cauli is a prodigy, so she circumvents how one normally does it, but apparently that's crossing the line. Or the fact that they're from a different universe so it's not even like they're playing by "U7 rules" to begin with. Kale also did it "normally" through rage, though the jealously aspect of it is certainly fair to criticize I guess.
As for stuff like their dynamic being irksome, to each their own
See, again, this is where y'all lose me every single time lol, let's just agree to disagree.
More like, why y'all so mad about the new show for shitting on something the old show shit on in the first place lol
Yea I'm not a fan of her voice either
Actually we know that Toriyama has said that genetics don't mean shit for Super Saiyan transformations.
It's all about each individual's talent or something
AlphaDragoon
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I'm fine with how quickly Cauli and Kale achieved SSJ considering everyone and their mother can do SSJ these days. They got it as easily as Goten did. I don't like Kale because she's the clingy Hinata from Naruto-esque version of a character that already sucked.
Again, Cauli is cool though. She just likes fighting, same as Goku.
Again, Cauli is cool though. She just likes fighting, same as Goku.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
That's oversimplifying the argument by a lot. It's not "ok because it was in Z," there are plenty of transformations and techniques in Super that are great too.
The transformation was portrayed, in Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, and F. Trunks' case to be extremely hard to achieve, achieved under extreme duress, a massive milestone in their development, and a product of trauma and anger, an answer for a call to justice. The more recent transformations are just like "oh hey I powered up lol." The call for justice element, the sense of breaking through one's absolute limit - it's not there anymore. (I know the movies aren't canon, but the attempt to paint Broly as the actual Legendary Super Saiyan was a cool way to fit that legend into the lore despite more Saiyans gaining the transformation since. I'm digressing a bit, though)
DB has ALWAYS "de-sanctified" its power gains in the next arc to an extent, so yes, the problem has always been there. It didn't become truly egregious until Goten and Trunks. And their transformation explanation is not ok either, but it's easier to handwave away. Caulifla and Kale are just continuing that awful trend. Cabba's is not great either, but that has more to do with how it was paced - it just happened way too quickly.
To say there is NO difference between the first four characters to achieve it and how it was treated from then on requires an immense level of denial or blindness. It has most definitely been de-sanctified. The tone of the show has changed, though, so it is what it is, I suppose.
Vados is amazing.
BabyFaceKillah
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I just think that if you have to bring up the previous series flaws to defend the newest one then you have a weak argument...and vice versa.
I Used to shit on súper but now I'm just enjoying dragonball period
Dragon ball is dragon ball
Z is Z
Súper is super
GT is GT
Can't expect them to all be the same or stick to the same script when they have all changed it
royox
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It's exactly the same as with Goten and Trunks. SSJ needs a certain power level to be unlocked and Goten&Trunks were strong as hell as kids. The most powerfull you are the easier it becomes. Cabba and Caulifla were at least as strong as Goku and Vegeta in base form, U6 saiyans are pure beasts and seems to have a bigger potential than ours. They only lack the knowledge and the reasons to reach other SSj states.
What's the status on the ToP arc? I stopped watching right before the actual tournament started. At the time I was only behind by a couple of episodes so I decided to catch up on One Piece in hopes the ToP would be over by the time I was done. I'm still a good 40+ episodes behind in One Piece, but ToP seems to be getting super hype so I'm thinking about picking it back up sooner than expected.
Is it starting to wind down or does it look like we still have a lot of episodes left in the arc?
Is it starting to wind down or does it look like we still have a lot of episodes left in the arc?
A basically halfway on a pure time scale, but who knows how long that'll take? It's not quite 5 minutes of Namek time, but it's close. It is definitely in a new stage though.
N30RYU
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Special guests...
Bardock
Bardock SS
Turles
Goten
Goten SS
I would like to see a Teen Goku (piccolo tourney) instead of a base goku cell arc.
How did you skip Heart Virus Goku.
papertoonz
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fusion reborn is probably my favorite dragon ball movie besides battle of gods
like i pretty much love every thing about that movie
Star Orpheus
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The funny thing I found about buying Fusion Reborn is that I got it from a movie collection pack. So I got Fusion Reborn and Wrath of the Dragon. But you also get Broly Second Comming and Bio Broly.
Talk about taking the bad with the good.
Also Walmart had a Broly trilogy collection for sale at the same time. You know just incase you only wanted Broly.
Undead Fantasy
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It'd be really nice if they added the ToP stage in the game
I'm pretty sure the sequel will.
Super Dragon Ball Fighterz.
It just makes too much sense.
It'd be really nice if they added the ToP stage in the game
I personally kind of don't. I like the current arc in Super but the battle arena itself just looks super drab.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
I played this at NYCC, it is shockingly easy to pick up and start learning the ropes within a game or two. Sort of like skiing, easy to learn, hard to master.
NoSkillz187
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Are we getting a new GI article today?
Anyone arguing that it is even possible to ruin the Super Saiyan form any more than it already has been are absolutely insane. It became completely banal by the end of DBZ. It basically lost all its significance the second Trunks arrived and set the ball in motion for every Saiyan being able to attain the state.
God this series is stupid. We need this game so it can all have meant something. More importantly, we need more info about the game so that we can stop killing time by talking about the anime.
Considering the context is the alleged "sanctity of the Super Saiyan transformation", I disagree lol
ya,
Dragon Ball FighterZs Seven Nerdiest Details
It not much but it just goes over references from the anime. Nothing really new.
Seems like characters with original movesets is likely less now besides Android 21. Every normal and specials is a reference to something. its cool and everything but I still want to see any non-fighters as playable characters.
I agree. Arguing that there is some form of sanctity to the Super Saiyan transformation is just blatantly wrong. It is like arguing that mastering a Ki blast is a substantial accomplishment. Sure it meant a lot in Dragon Ball, but it has LONG since lost any element of importance.
I know Toriyama built it up, but he then made it shockingly insignificant. It is what he does. Don't take it personally, people.
Haha that would be sick.
NoctisVsStar
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Yeah, which is why characters like bulma, ChiChi and Mr Satan can't hang and asking them for is a waste of time.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Same with certain Super characters....
LordKasual
Banned
Bulma could have an entire moveset in an instant. This isn't even a discussion lol
NoctisVsStar
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Made up for sure (taking mad liberties) we talking about source material which is the source of inspiration.
certain super characters need more eps to develop a nice moveset.
Yes, we all know this
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
I dislike Kale, Caulifla and the little loser dude because their designs are just plain bad. They look like throaways and are usually drawn like shit on top of that.
Plus I am sick to death of the character trope of character does nothing but cry and be annoying only to secretly be super strong
Plus I am sick to death of the character trope of character does nothing but cry and be annoying only to secretly be super strong