DraconisNav
Banned
I said reasonable people.
Anyone who thinks "rap music rapes my ears" is worth a 6 month ban is not reasonable and falls in the category of over-zealous and self-destructive SJW that sabotages progress for perfectionist exclusion.
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I said reasonable people.
Anyone who thinks "rap music rapes my ears" is worth a 6 month ban is not reasonable and falls in the category of over-zealous and self-destructive SJW that sabotages progress for perfectionist exclusion.
Kamina
Golden Boy
That happened? 0_O
Via Purifico
Banned
Progress of what? what progress was to be made going into a thread to just shit on something you already didn't like and compare it to rape?.
I mean even if you disagree with a 6 month ban it shouldn't have gone without consequence.
I would say it was a learning experience for 6 months that using the word "rape" as a joke is probably not the best choice of words.
Elegant Weapon
Member
exactly what thread was this "rap is rape to my ears" comment posted?
in a rap thread or...?
How is that comment supposed to make decent conversation?
"oh well, you should listen to Ivan Ave, he'll make sweet love to your ears
but if your ears don't consent, what's the point of suggesting any artists? where is discussion supposed to go based on that comment, which also makes light of rape?
in a rap thread or...?
How is that comment supposed to make decent conversation?
"oh well, you should listen to Ivan Ave, he'll make sweet love to your ears
but if your ears don't consent, what's the point of suggesting any artists? where is discussion supposed to go based on that comment, which also makes light of rape?
Naked Snake
Member
We can say "SJW" without getting banned now? Progress.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
This happened, but people need to stop pretending like it was a universal and constant thing.
I was having a discussion with a person who made a bunch of islamophobic posts last week.
He wasn't banned.
He just stopped posting once it became clear that the reason why he couldn't back up any of his "it's because of the economy" posts was because his post history showed that he actually meant to say "it's because of the muslims".
He tried the same "this is why we can't debate on this site" when someone suggested his convictionless, thin arguments about economies made it seem like he was hiding his true feelings.
Till someone posted his views on muslims and immigrants.
In this "new gaf", people are saying that pointing out people's bullshit is something that needs to change for some reason.
Like the problem wasn't islamophobia that's the issue, but the fact that they were called out?
Towards what?
This is what this place is now huh.
Via Purifico
Banned
It was and he came in with insincere attempts at discourse and was shitting it up. His mind was already made up about the genre so he was thread shitting.
p_xavier
Authorized Fister
Yup, if people can't understand the difference and meaning between this and actual rape, they're the ones who should get banned...
metalslimer
Member
Yeah I feel this is ultimately the problem. I think we over-corrected post gamergate. We sorted out the blatant trolls and bigots, but in the process we shifted the bar a bit on who gets banned. It became less about quality of the post, and more so about being in line with an ideology. And that worked at first. It got us through the worst of the "Just asking questions", new juniors, and shitpost storm that littered every gg thread. But low quality posters who happened to fall in line with progressive politics slipped through the ban cracks. We were rightfully on guard for what we saw as the much bigger threat to our community. But trolls and idiots are the same on both sides of the spectrum, and ruin discourse no matter what ideology they subscribe to. If you stopped in to any social issue thread in the past year, there was just a handful of meaningful posts on each page, and just a few people actually having a discussion. It was mostly low bar hot takes, catch phrases, or recycled jokes from another thread. There's a whole class of progressive poster who just regurgitates whatever they heard on last night's episode of Last Week Tonight in every thread. It just became hard to navigate.
So basically we have alt right trolls being banned, decent right/not as left wing posters being banned, and any decent poster regardless of politics who wasn't banned had to face a gauntlet of trolls in every thread they tried to discuss any controversial opinion. It scared everyone off liberal or conservative, until we just had a small collection of great progressive posters making interesting posts, and the plebs who frantically scrambled to take notes and regurgitate a mutilated version of that post into another semi-relevant thread. I'm as sjw as they come, its the area I work in, its what I spend a good amount of my time reading about. But there was just no nuance in a lot of OT. I'm not sure if I'll be staying on GAF (dont ban me plz) but I'm going to keep watching it the next few weeks. Its nice that the nature of this event will purge the forum of the worst knee jerk culprits. The problem is that a lot of good quality posters are leaving too, and who can blame em? It'll be interesting to see who's left and what kind of community we can have.
Shout out to the OT community threads tho, there was a lot of greatness in those communities and that where the heart of GAF's OT community shifted to.
Naked Snake
Member
Sanity.
I dont think a 6 month ban for shit posting with casual rape references is unreasonable. Use that time to learn how to make constructive posts or go shitpost on Reddit.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
torre_avenue
Banned
seeing the phrase SJW rapes my eyes.
Do I get 2x multiplier for using NüGAF speak.
Do I get 2x multiplier for using NüGAF speak.
Oh dear...
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Could you elaborate?
Whatever progress you get on here won't make up for the lack of progress going on in that skull of yours.
Via Purifico
Banned
Video gamez
Poltergust
Member
As one gay person to another, I expected better of you.
Via Purifico
Banned
I'm not surprised by this at all, he made an ignorant comment in letters and didn't like the response and didn't return.
Elegant Weapon
Member
the hell is the point of coming into a topic to leave a stupid non constructive comment besides trolling?
and people actually think a 6 month ban for trolling is too long? who would want a forum full of trolls?
DraconisNav
Banned
I'm not railing on SJWs. I am a SJW. I'm also a progressive, a liberal, a Democrat, a resident of New Jersey, a male, and a graduate degree holder.
Believe it or not, there are shitty progressives out there. Shitty liberals, shitty Democrats, shitty folks in New Jersey, shitty males, and shitty degree holders.
Anyone who thinks a 6 month ban for saying "rap music rapes my ears" is productive or useful is a shitty SJW who makes all of us look bad.
I will fight red-pill and alt-right losers every day of the week. I will fight self-destructive and misguided SJWs every day of the week.
Shit people are shit, fuck getting a free pass just because you wear a title.
Naked Snake
Member
You can absolutely stand for social justice but still be against delusional beliefs and misguided lynch mobs.
Clockwork5
Member
Shhhhh. Guys, we're not supposed to talk about this stuff. You're gonna get us in trouble.
This is unreal.
This is unreal.
There's always going to be racists and trolls, and moderation and the community have and will need to continue to weed them out. The problem is that none of us had the same eye for progressive trolls. I've done it; read a stupid post that barely understood what liberal catchphrase they chose to regurgitate, rolled my eyes and kept scrolling. I've ignored dumb people dog-piling on decent posters. We need to moderate better. Its not that Islamophobia isn't the issue. Your story shows the better parts of the forum at work. Its that the unmoderated brigade of reactionaries in every thread are also an issue in trying to have a nice community.
prag16
Banned
Again, exhibit A representing one of gaf's major problems.
Apparently criticizing one extreme automatically means full endorsement of the other extreme. Good job.
17 Seconds
Banned
if you think that condemning his actions (the proven ones, you don't even have to believe the shower accusation) is "delusional" and "misguided", then you are morally bankrupt.
DraconisNav
Banned
We're not defending evilore. Fuck evilore and fuck the spineless, morally bankrupt mods who stick with him, and anyone who continues supporting this site.
We're talking about how sometimes SJW zealotry went overboard and banned people for unproductive and self-destructive reasons.
GeordieMark
Member
I dont believe for a second that GAF has had a dramatic about turn and is now a right-wing GG site. The mods are overwhelmed right now and people are getting away with dumb shit. Ill be very surprised if that continues. Just give them time to get the show back on the road.
The constant ban me histrionics and snide comments from the posters who seemingly came back to shit up threads with their bitching arent exactly helping the signal-to-noise ratio. Itd be nice and respectful to the people who are sticking around if you guys could stop the trolling and shit posts and move on with your lives.
The constant ban me histrionics and snide comments from the posters who seemingly came back to shit up threads with their bitching arent exactly helping the signal-to-noise ratio. Itd be nice and respectful to the people who are sticking around if you guys could stop the trolling and shit posts and move on with your lives.
Z..
Member
What he means is that it should've had appropriate consequences, going overboard because something is a hot button issue actually impedes progress rather than forwarding it.
1/2 month ban. Completely deserved a ban for such shitty posting, but 6 months is ridiculous. Reminds me of possession sentences in the US.
PflargBlarg
Member
Look and see people. This is the kind of thing you're fighting for when you continue supporting shitbags like Tyler. I'm about 50/50 that this forum is now going to turn into some KotakuInAction shit.
You're falling for spin. The ban wasn't because of what he said specifically. It's a ban for thread shitting. It serves no purpose and I'm glad he was banned for trolling. Hopefully he would have been banned just as much for saying "rap music is all utter shit".
DraconisNav
Banned
And yet all it does is give red-pill morons an absolutely valid example of SJWs being intolerant assholes, thus further dividing everyone and pushing progress farther back.
Well done. *golfclap*
Elegant Weapon
Member
It saved the rap thread from a blatant troll? You're strangely hung up on the red pill perspective while ignoring the benefit to this community having one less troll to deal with
DraconisNav
Banned
You can correct a troll by calling him out and giving him a 3 day ban.
You can provide aid and comfort to red-pill, alt-right losers by being an over-zealous, intolerant shithead of a SJW and banning people for 6 months for saying "rap music rapes my ears".
kitchenmotors
Banned
Not fucking surprised.
That's intentional. They are ignoring the real reason for the ban (intentionally trolling a thread with zero interest in discourse) even though its been explained on the last 3 pages on purpose. It's not an accident, and they aren't missing those posts, they just have an agenda and recognizing that thread shitting was the reason for the ban doesnt fit within that.
Are you failing to register that it was already stated he wasn't banned for saying that?
It's also amazing how many 20 post alt troll accounts have activated today.
Elegant Weapon
Member
a 3 day ban huh? wow, I don't really think a slap on the wrist ban would deter trolling much
thing is, alt right fuckers already going to say all the things you've said about us. I don't really care about their opinions unlike you. I just want a community that isn't filled with their trolls
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Remember kids: always appease trolls!
Naked Snake
Member
My post about the term SJW has nothing to do with Evilore or his actions. I haven't made any comments on that matter and don't care to, as it has nothing to do with why I value this website and why I would like it to continue existing. I don't think a single person's actions should destroy a community that has endured for two decades with little input from said person.
I was just referring to the way this forum was moderated in recent times, and how the mere attempt to discuss certain issues led to immediate banning, which I believe hurt the discourse here in recent years and led to a sort of groupthink/hivemind mob mentality and echo chamber. I don't know if that's going to change going forward, but I would like it to.
Elegant Weapon
Member
Yeah, I really hope this isn't the level of discourse we can expect going forward, just saying something enough and ignoring good posts that explain the situation but it's hard to be optimistic about that right now
dude is just repeating the same thing over and over hoping to control the narrative
edit: and this is what I was saying about dog piling. Plenty of people would explain very reasonably a point but that doesn't matter to someone who feels ganged up on by the "shitty SJWs" and just wants to shitpost without getting shit
WhiskeyKnight
Member
The thing about "SJW" is that, like most words that stick, it serves an unfulfilled niche. People immediately know what you mean when you use it. I realize liberals don't like it, but I'm not sure what censoring it accomplishes. Personally, I don't see what's so offensive about it. If you believe in social justice, what's wrong with being called a warrior for the cause?
There are undertones to saying that a primarily black form of music "rapes" your ears. People aren't as stupid as you may believe.
OG Shaka Zulu
Member
I really liked the political and Black/minority news and history posted here. Are there any messageboards that are similar? No hotep shit, just real history.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
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Not allowing users to call others a slur SOLELY used by diet GG/alt right at the best of times isn't censorship. As it's a catch all term that constantly tries to demonize the idea of openly respecting women, minorities, and people who're LBGT. Being an SJW basically boils down to being a decent human being, stop trying to demonize that.
Seductivpancakes
Member
SJW is a term thats equivalent as snowflake. Just less overt about its intended use.
Its coming back I don't want to imagine what the shit posters would have done to threads we've had actual discussions in. Keeping this infestation down to gaming ends up preserving the political social justice threads.
I know that didn't answer your question but I hope you stick around its crazy but gaf did cater to minorities more than most sites. I took that for granted.