The state of NeoGAF

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blanchot said:
sounds mild compared to some of the stuff posted on the [actually not going post the subreddit name unless you ask] subreddit
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Someone referenced the image at 10:41 PM last night, so it was posted (and subsequently removed) around then:

NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Good stuff, lawman.

And now, with that picture of a gaping butthole, I'm done for the night. I'm gonna like... go to the gym or something.
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It was the sickest image that I've ever seen
 
well, if the admin really cared about the community he created, he would see that these allegations, even if untrue, mean that his presence and attachment are doing more harm than good to Gaf. Step down, EvilLore.

If that's not going to happen, please do ban me. Gotta side with the accusers, not the potential sexual harassers.
 
HStallion said:
I had proper discussions all the time and amazingly enough never got banned even when things got heated on all sorts of subjects. Amazing I know. This forum attracted people because of the discussion but not everything is worth discussing and this forum was great and weeding that crap out.
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ohhh, right. So the person who has a ready defense for apparently progressive posters here, and who apparently holds progressive values himself, for some strange reason never was banned for engaging in discussion or debate in favor of non-progressive positions. Which is, you know, the whole point of that issue. So the person in the position for favored treatment for progressives and enjoyed a progressively favored echo chamber bubble of protection, uses that to try anecdotally disprove people with entirely dissimilar opinions, and so thusly, dissimilar responses to them.

Go figure. Genius logic.
 
Kimawolf said:
Well sometimes its deserved (Like Weinstein's case), and othertimes it just ruins people's lives (like Rolling Stones hit piece,) and in this case he didn't help himself with the hyperbole, but the core of their stories actually mesh, and with the relationship coming into play and them still hanging out afterwards, it just seems like it's premature to use THIS INSTANCE as something to destroy the guy over.

Now if you have an issue with his other actions? totally understandable. And good luck to you, I just prefer to not jump immediately to a conclusion on this case due to the information beyond the hyperbole and nonsense.

I also happen to think people just "making new forums" have no clue what goes into an actual forum not hosted by Vbulletin/shitvr etc. You have to pay for servers, networking stuff, all kinds of shit, and you have to manage it as most forums never REALLY take off. GAF was a rare thing which happened at just the right time, all thse other forums will have a hard time i predict, and combined won't match the activity of GAF even in its weakest moment.

I also think, people should give it a week or so, things will settle down, new faces will replace old ones, new Sales people will make new threads etc. and hopefully those who left are happy and know I personally have no hard feelings either way. I just prefer to stay here, for now.
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I have no issue with him, his personal business is not my business. he has denied the allegations and I believe him. It ends there. The issue is, I shouldn't be nailed to the cross because im not jumping the suicide bandwagon. I love this board and will stick with it till the end of time and that's my right.
 
cicero said:
ohhh, right. So the person who has a ready defense for apparently progressive posters here, and who apparently holds progressive values himself, for some strange reason never was banned for engaging in discussion or debate in favor of non-progressive positions. Which is, you know, the whole point of that issue. So the person in the position for favored treatment for progressives and enjoyed a progressively favored echo chamber bubble of protection, uses that to try anecdotally disprove people with entirely dissimilar opinions, and so thusly, dissimilar responses to them.

Go figure. Genius logic.
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You could have moderate or even right wing values and wouldn't be banned. You just had to be able to defend yourself if you came big dicking into a thread trying to lay down the truth. Lot of right-wing GAF couldn't because - *IS SHOCKED* - a lot of right wing / moderate / libertarian / etc has a lot of hate. That hate wasn't allowed. If you believe you were being oppressed either by mods directly or a chilling effect then you are wrong. You simply couldn't realize your opinions were terrible and were most likely hateful.
 
Shabutaro said:
This, i think, exemplifies the issue. If you hadn't noticed the mob then you've ignored it or you're a part of it tbh.
Its a really easy tell. They come in swarms. They use buzzwords, insults and the last thing they heard John Oliver say to derail the thread and paint the opposing opinion into a corner they deem too tight to counter. They don't add anything to the discussion and they don't respond meaningfully to any sort of argument.
GAF leans very hard left. The issue is that because of it, we tend to overlook low quality posters and trolls who happen to agree with our ideology. If you've ever read a shitty truncated attack version of a nuanced progressive argument, rolled your eyes and just scrolled on, you're part of the problem. If you've never done that, you've undoubtedly posted one.
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I've never been part of any mob and I think you're grossly overstating the issue, like that other weirdo who seems hell-bent on taking one or two incidents he might have come across and ballooning it into a full-blown retrospective narrative of a neogaf that never was. Above all, the only low quality posters I see are the ones who've inundated this board the past two days and gleefully pitched their flags on all this open space caused by the departing members all the while co-signing that nutjob's hyperbolical analysis of community persecution as gospel.
 
cicero said:
ohhh, right. So the person who has a ready defense for apparently progressive posters here, and who apparently holds progressive values himself, for some strange reason never was banned for engaging in discussion or debate in favor of non-progressive positions. Which is, you know, the whole point of that issue. So the person in the position for favored treatment for progressives and enjoyed a progressively favored echo chamber bubble of protection, uses that to try anecdotally disprove people with entirely dissimilar opinions, and so thusly, dissimilar responses to them.

Go figure. Genius logic.
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A progressive forum where... progressive views were fostered... let progressive posters continue posting. My god. I think you're onto something.
 
Subpar Spatula said:
You could have moderate or even right wing values and wouldn't be banned. You just had to be able to defend yourself if you came big dicking into a thread trying to lay down the truth. Lot of right-wing GAF couldn't because - *IS SHOCKED* - a lot of right wing / moderate / libertarian / etc has a lot of hate. That hate wasn't allowed. If you believe you were being oppressed either by mods directly or a chilling effect then you are wrong. You simply couldn't realize your opinions were terrible and were most likely hateful.
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Yet we have screecaps of mods targeting certain posters to look for excuses to ban them.

https://imgur.com/a/mWYq8#YgguFL

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And here is the thread where Evilore acknowledges these PM's and his (non)response.

https://web.archive.org/web/2015030...gaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1003990&page=2
 
Subpar Spatula said:
You could have moderate or even right wing values and wouldn't be banned. You just had to be able to defend yourself if you came big dicking into a thread trying to lay down the truth. Lot of right-wing GAF couldn't because - *IS SHOCKED* - a lot of right wing / moderate / libertarian / etc has a lot of hate. That hate wasn't allowed. If you believe you were being oppressed either by mods directly or a chilling effect then you are wrong. You simply couldn't realize your opinions were terrible and were most likely hateful.
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I took a 90 day ban for simply stating that I wasn’t a fan of either candidate last September. That ban was followed by a nasty latter from a moderator saying something among the lines of “ spare us the middle ground bullshit. We can see right through it” That line was directed at me even though I’ve been quite anti Trump in the past.

So tell me this what section of the TOS was I not adhering to? How do I defend myself from that? Tell me the problem with expressing my opinion of being disappointed in our electoral selection?

I’m sorry but if people can’t see that this was a large problem here then I don’t what to tell you.
 
I think you should've left off topic closed longer than just a day. You had the right idea of keeping it closed for a while, but a while should be a lot longer than just a day. Give it like a month before putting it back. Otherwise GAF might just return to how it was before rather than becoming a truly hobby focused site.
 
Battlechili1 said:
I think you should've left off topic closed longer than just a day. You had the right idea of keeping it closed for a while, but a while should be a lot longer than just a day. Give it like a month before putting it back.
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It was seeping into the gaming forum all day. Let it come back online. Everything will stabilize in a few weeks. Maybe...
 
Subpar Spatula said:
You could have moderate or even right wing values and wouldn't be banned. You just had to be able to defend yourself if you came big dicking into a thread trying to lay down the truth. Lot of right-wing GAF couldn't because - *IS SHOCKED* - a lot of right wing / moderate / libertarian / etc has a lot of hate. That hate wasn't allowed. If you believe you were being oppressed either by mods directly or a chilling effect then you are wrong. You simply couldn't realize your opinions were terrible and were most likely hateful.
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Bullshit

You're part of that brigade so it's not surprising you believe that.
 
So. OT Community returns.

Question: What happens when these communities talk about politics or social issues? Or are they not allowed to? Like:

NFL community not allowed to talk about Kaepernick? Or only in terms of not playing? But not playing is related to BLM, which is politics/social issue. Or for others, it's 1st Amendment issues.

LGBTQIA not allowed to talk about Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission?

Star Wars community not allowed to talk about analogies to nazis and dictatorships? Same with Comics?

Politics is pervasive.

Come at me bitches.

Or just delete my account, yeah?
 
Battlechili1 said:
I think you should've left off topic closed longer than just a day. You had the right idea of keeping it closed for a while, but a while should be a lot longer than just a day. Give it like a month before putting it back. Otherwise GAF might just return to how it was before rather than becoming a truly hobby focused site.
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he should at least quit rate limiting PMs to 1 per 10 minutes so I can get PoliGAF out of here

(because, for one, i'm literally making it easier to enforce that dumb-as-hell rule)
 
Subpar Spatula said:
You could have moderate or even right wing values and wouldn't be banned. You just had to be able to defend yourself if you came big dicking into a thread trying to lay down the truth.
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This is true, at least in my experience. I was able to post in OT without getting banned, partly because I could defend myself, and partly because I didn't go in "big dicking" it.

That said, folks on the other side could big-dick away without any apparent repercussions. That's the sort of inconsistent moderation that I'm hoping will change. I am cool with extensive moderation applied even-handedly, and I am also cool with loose moderation applied even-handedly. I am not cool with no moderation, and I am not cool with biased moderation. The previous team had serious problems with regard to bias.
 
Battlechili1 said:
I think you should've left off topic closed longer than just a day. You had the right idea of keeping it closed for a while, but a while should be a lot longer than just a day. Give it like a month before putting it back. Otherwise GAF might just return to how it was before rather than becoming a truly hobby focused site.
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As far as I can tell, off-topic is still nuked. Only OT Community was opened up.
 
Pixieking said:
So. OT Community returns.

Question: What happens when these communities talk about politics? Or are they not allowed to? Like:

NFL community not allowed to talk about Kaepernick? Or only in terms of not playing? But not playing is related to BLM, which is politics. Or for others, it's 1st Amendment issues.

LGBTQIA not allowed to talk about Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission?

Star Wars community not allowed to talk about analogies to nazis and dictatorships? Same with Comics?

Politics is pervasive.

Come at me bitches.

Or just delete my account, yeah?
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We shall see I guess. I read the stated intention for OT, but like you bring up, how can this be regulated?

P.S. Don't delete your account plz.
 
xenoncrash said:
It was seeping into the gaming forum all day. Let it come back online. Everything will stabilize in a few weeks. Maybe...
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I'm sure it will. Again some folks will leave, old faces will vanish, new ones will take their place. No one is irreplaceable. That was a major issue imo. We had "celebrity posters" who had basic followings and people would go wild over these people. Then because these "celebrity posters" left, people are going wild.

Again give it a week or so, it'll settle down, new people will fill the holes of the old folks and things will continue. Hopefully those who left can fully enjoy themselves now if they couldn't before.

As for community threads ? I imagine if politics comes up within THOSE COMMUNITIES, it'll be fine. but just having general politic threads seems to be the problem? Maybe?
 
Get all of off topic back and moderate it like any other site would do, it wasn't too left wing it was sometimes too heated.
 
Fluffernutter Pancake said:
OK, about 22-24 hours ago, there was some really sick image posted on here in this thread, and then fortunately removed by mods. I was (foolishly) trying to make out exactly what it was and whether it was real.

Please don't post the image again, but can anyone tell me if what I saw was actually:

a bent over dead woman with head crushed and with shit spewing like a volcano from her rear ,
like the aftermath of a serial killer claiming a victim. I could see no head, but only what looked like blood and gore where there should be a head
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Definitely was the sickest image that I have ever seen. Mind-blowingly disturbing and almost a crime posting that on here for people to view without warning or censoring.

Is my description above accurate? Did anyone else see this? Are you as disturbed by this as I am? Do you know the source of the image and whether it is real?

EDIT: Here's someone who references the post:

Posted at 10:41 PM EST
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Was she in a tub? Sounds like tub girl. A famous picture of a woman getting an enema. The results splash on to her face, leaving it obscured. Could maybe look like her head was smashed in if the pic was low res enough.
 
remist said:
Yet we have screecaps of mods targeting certain posters to look for excuses to ban them.

https://imgur.com/a/mWYq8#YgguFL

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And here is the thread where Evilore acknowledges these PM's and his (non)response.

https://web.archive.org/web/2015030...gaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1003990&page=2
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Hey, somebody has to protect everyone from differences of opinion! Unless you are protected, and thirteen bans means nothing. What a shit show. Please stop fully quoting Spatula, it bypasses vBoard stupidity filters.
 
Anyone calling GAF left-wing doesn't know the actual American left. This place is centrist or neoliberal at best. I'm constantly confounded at some of the capitalist justifications by "left-leaning" posters.
 
Subpar Spatula said:
You could have moderate or even right wing values and wouldn't be banned. You just had to be able to defend yourself if you came big dicking into a thread trying to lay down the truth. Lot of right-wing GAF couldn't because - *IS SHOCKED* - a lot of right wing / moderate / libertarian / etc has a lot of hate. That hate wasn't allowed. If you believe you were being oppressed either by mods directly or a chilling effect then you are wrong. You simply couldn't realize your opinions were terrible and were most likely hateful.
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I once got threatened by a ban by duckroll for having a different view about abortion. If im not mistaken he said "your views are not welcome here. Leave."


There was this other time I questioned if this forum was american or international, because a few posters were banned over ignorance of american culture. Bishoptl banned me for a month.

Ban reason: USA CANADA USA CANADA USA CANADA USA CANADA


But sure dude, keep believing the moderation was great.
 
There is such a witch hunt right now online it’s quite unbelievable. I am not saying people are making accusations up and I am not victim blaming- quite the opposite. But everyone online who goes completely crazy over a sentence from a post show how fucking rediculously illogical people can be.

I can say one thing though- I came to NeoGAF for the gaming news and that’s what I will stay for until something pops up that does it better. What I won’t do is just assume people are guilty without due process.

Also thank christ the OT is getting a makeover. It was literally a shit on Trump forum. I hate the guy as much as the next reasonable human being but there is more to talk about in this world than his Twitter tirades.

This is my last post on the subject. Time to move on to gaming stuff.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Anyone calling GAF left-wing doesn't know the actual American left. This place is centrist or neoliberal at best.
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I am super-familiar with the actual American left. I work a research university. Almost all of my friends and colleagues are folks of the liberal or left persuasion. The previous incarnation of Gaf was a funhouse mirror of that worldview.
 
remist said:
Yet we have screecaps of mods targeting certain posters to look for excuses to ban them.

https://imgur.com/a/mWYq8#YgguFL

YgguFLe.gif


And here is the thread where Evilore acknowledges these PM's and his (non)response.

https://web.archive.org/web/2015030...gaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1003990&page=2
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I think one of the craziest things is that Evilore acknowledged the problem of mods on this forum and yet still let them run free.

And then they ditch him as he ironically makes arguments that would easily get another poster banned.

This is a case study through and through.I can only hope in the end something positive is gained.
 
Meaty said:
I once got threatened by a ban by duckroll for having a different view about abortion. If im not mistaken he said "your views are not welcome here. Leave."


There was this other time I questioned if this forum was american or international, because a few posters were banned over ignorance of american culture. Bishoptl banned me for a month.

Ban reason: USA CANADA USA CANADA USA CANADA USA CANADA


But sure dude, keep believing the moderation was great.
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And what was it you said about Abortion and American Culture?
 
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