Off-site Community Discussion (Reset, etc.) -- READ OP. Stay civil. Don't make it personal. Keep it in here.
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James T. Kirk
Member
Is this really the most active thread? On the whole site? That's sad.
JORMBO
Darkness no more
Most threads don't have a source of endless content.
themagicalkitsune
Member
*MODERATION: To the forum members offended by this post... please stop reporting it. Either engage
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themagicalkitsune
through civil discussion or just disagree with the stance and move on. Thank you for cooperating.
It's kind of expected though, is it not? This place died and the void was filled with the sewage that used to populate voat and other hateful hubs, but there's not much to discuss since mostly everyone agrees with each other. Nothing more interesting than to laugh at and bully previous gaf members at the new site behind their backs now, you can't become more of a coward than that.
It's kind of expected though, is it not? This place died and the void was filled with the sewage that used to populate voat and other hateful hubs, but there's not much to discuss since mostly everyone agrees with each other. Nothing more interesting than to laugh at and bully previous gaf members at the new site behind their backs now, you can't become more of a coward than that.
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Boss Mog
Member
Um... yeah. Isn't this what this topic is about?
Wheeljack539
Member
Somewhat expected. A thread like this would honestly be petty if Era was just another board without all the issues it has. Due to its own eccentricities though it's caught a lot of attention it otherwise wouldn't have (not just on GAF) had and thus provides a source of constant things to talk about.
It's primarily about Era simply due to it's history with GAF and how its currently run but there but the thread is not solely specified to be about it.
James T. Kirk
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Boss Mog
Member
Yeah except Reset is specifically indicated in the title and it's the only off-site community specified by name in fact, so I don't even understand why you want to argue about this, seems really petty.
James T. Kirk
Member
Oh for christ's sake. I myself was asking about OTHER SITES APART from ResetEra, and other sites were being mentioned and talked about, so how was I to know ya weren't referring to one of those?!
Windom Earle
Member
Yeah, it's a big surprise that there is a lot of discussion about an integral part of this site's history. It's great to see GAF getting healthy again and at the same time laugh at the degenerates that used to make it a living hell. You know what a real "coward" would do? Hide in his protected echo chamber where only one opinion is allowed. So gtfo with that shit.
Jamesways
Member
Discovering this thread is exactly why I don't post in any political or heated threads on Era or here.
I still chime in on a game thread here and there but mostly reading these two sites makes me want to just lurk even more.
It's just not worth it. Arguing with people online doesn't add anything of value to my life, but that's just me.
I still chime in on a game thread here and there but mostly reading these two sites makes me want to just lurk even more.
It's just not worth it. Arguing with people online doesn't add anything of value to my life, but that's just me.
michaelius
Banned
They are free to come here and debate - if you tried arguing anything against the one and only corrent progressive truth on Era you would be banned on the spot. Kinda makes hard debating there.
dolabla
Member
Isn't it a little ironic to mention bullying considering that's exactly what these same (previous) posters did to their fellow posters who went against their echo chamber? And they're still continuing to do it at their new echo chamber? And it's why they're so disliked? Because they nearly destroy every board they touch because of their antics?
Between calling people Nazis, racists, bigots, the ban baitings, the dog pilings and just the overall chasing off of fellow posters with mod approval, I'm not sure we really want to go down this path of talking about bullying posters. I think the "old" posters that have found their new bullying ground have that on lock down.
Oh, and let's not forget all the porn spam they left on their way out.
I think those devs said it best. They are terrified of posting there because of how unwelcoming it is.
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NickFire
Member
The people there laugh at and ridicule people they disagree with endlessly. They also advocate for bullying people they disagree with, whether it is at political rallies, internet forums, twitter, etc. How many "punch a nazi" and "they should be fired" posts do you need to see before you recognize who the real bullies are? And as for cowardice, they are welcome to come laugh at anyone they want. They choose not to because they are afraid of discourse with opposing views, which is why they refuse to allow different views on the site on numerous topics. Try labeling as sewage the people expressing the majority opinion on a social issue over there and see what happens. Cowards will ban you in a heart beat before letting you speak further.
Here's an entire thread dedicated, from the OP on, to how someone is a good samaritan for vandalizing the property of someone they disagree with politically. 6 Pages, no bans for advocating the destruction of property owned by someone the majority dislikes. https://www.resetera.com/threads/betsy-devos-yacht-vandalised-left-to-go-adrift.57998/
And you're going to call people poking fun at them the bullies?
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Hey I remember you. Welcome back.
JordanN
Banned
Yeah "bullies" and "cowards".
This was the corrupt moderation we once had to deal with, and now they made an entire site that resolves around it.
Don't think for a second they're all innocent, especially when they were the same users who posted explicit/graphic porn when Neogaf came back online.
That's actually my reason why I never moved to the new site despite originally being interested.
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Adry9
Member
This is mind-bending.You just can't make this shit up.
Cauliflower of Love
Banned
/\ That's sounds like the era ethos bth. (talking about besada post)
damnit adry.
damnit adry.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
cpp_is_king
Member
Yeah "bullies" and "cowards".
This was the corrupt moderation we once had to deal with, and now they made an entire site that resolves around it.
Don't think for a second they're all innocent, especially when they were the same users who posted explicit/graphic porn when Neogaf came back online.
That's actually my reason why I never moved to the new site despite originally being interested.
Wow.
Papa
Banned
Show evidence or fuck off.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
/VoteBan Adry
Dr. Claus
Banned
This. They also have a history of antagonistic "hot takes" that don't provide any actual discussion. Oh well.
Honestly, I know there are some people who are on that site to troll - but when you cannot differentiate the trolls from the actual forum-goers, you fucked up big time. The promotion of criminal activities just because of a political difference is absolutely abhorrent. I really hope those kids get a wake up call soon.
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James T. Kirk
Member
The more I read about ResetEra, the more I just want it to die.
NickFire
Member
I disagree with that. The mods did the right thing. If this forum is allowed a thread to discuss the other site in this manner (which I agree with), we should be prepared to hear the other side's view on the topic of this thread, and no matter how nasty or incorrect we find it. At least until it becomes so personal that the rules are broken, and his post was not,
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Avasarala
Emoji Emperor
Good afternoon, Matt404au. As I am the moderator that disposed of more than one report similar to yours, I feel it's important for me to explain my reasoning in doing so.
My emotional reaction to the post you (and others) quoted is similar in that I do not think it's necessary, desirable, nor productive to refer widely to a group of people in such a negative and lazy fashion. It's not a difference of opinion, and is distasteful.
However, it did also spur further discussion that did stay relatively progressive towards the topic. Additionally, this topic in particular IS heated. I personally don't agree with the way "Show evidence or fuck off. " is phrased, but then it's relatively on topic still; and I've been monitoring the thread for the last several hours. The more the community can self guide to stay on topic, the more productive the environment is.
Lastly, I would certainly prefer to err on the side of prudence before overreacting. If I can avoid doing so, I would rather not stifle discussion, nor take more extreme measures until it is apparent that they are absolutely necessary. Since moderation of the forum is a team effort, other moderators would automatically review the actions I chose to make or not make, and could certainly take a stricter action than I chose to.
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Papa
Banned
The difference is we are discussing specific posts and moderation standards rather than vague generalisations.
Papa
Banned
Fair enough. My response was blunt because I'm tired of the vague generalisations with no supporting evidence. I believe the kids these days are saying "show me the receipts".
I'd like to note that this is only the second time I've used the report tool as I generally try to talk it out. Since the reset, anyway, since I can't remember if I submitted any years ago when I was active.
I was ticked off with the mod edit of the post because it seemingly (to me, anyway) handwaved it away as an innocent difference of opinion when it clearly wasn't. You acknowledge this and I accept your explanation so I'm happy to move on.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I have to say, the transparency these new Moda provide is so damn refreshing.
themagicalkitsune
Member
Integral part of the site's history? They're a bunch of people who left. GAF's frequenting users have been continuously changing ever since the site's conception so it's not like it had a fixed character, no matter how many of you like to think literally everything in it was a hivemind. So do you think it's a sign gaf is becoming "healthy" again when you refer to a bunch of people you don't know as "degenerates"? When giant bomb branched off of the gamespot userbase, did you see gamespot having a thread dedicated to taking the piss out of giant bomb? (Hint: no.) Maybe don't throw stones if you live in a glass house and can't take some of your criticism back at you.
If you have any particular issue with my post history (since you took the time to check it out), feel free to engage with me specifically in the relevant thread(s) instead of making vague remarks here. I thought most of you did not want to repeat the so-called "bad habits" of old gaf.
Are we looking at different sites? Calling out someone for being intolerant is not the same thing as bullying them. Or you'd rather everyone be tolerant to intolerant people, as long as discourse was kept civil? Yeah no thanks. If a racist gets called out by multiple people for being a racist (aka the notorious dogpile everyone keeps referring to), I really will not care whether their feelings were hurt in the process. If you do care and you end up siding with the racist, you are making your stance clear. Resetera have made their stance clear on this as well. It's obvious that you are not compatible with them, so why are you fixated on giving them the time of day here?
Which comes back to my initial post, I don't see the point in antagonizing people from another site behind their backs (because everyone should face it, this thread really is about resetera and not any other site, as anything else hardly gets talked about). If you think this site is 'developing healthily' while its most popular thread is about shitting on another site, you have an interesting definition of 'healthily'.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
You did ask this before, and i answered you. If you want, ill digg up that post
Well, people like to point things out and chuckle. Not my kind of way to go for it, but there you go. The same happens there, but all i notice is how.. outdated their views are. Clearly they haven't read up on recent developments like this thread does or they would know that there are a lot of things differently here.
Hi there Magical! Welcome that you went into this thread.
I gotta say, i am not entirely appreciate of the term sewage, but that is mostly on a personal level - Clearly what you tried to do is make a generic descriptor of the users here. Now, i won't comment on others, but do you consider that a fair thing to make?
Different is the term that most people agree with eachother. I believe that is true. But the same can be said the other way around - I geniunely think The Little Helpers agree and believe that GAF users today are just condoning a leader that yes, did say things in the past that deserve criticism, but also believe that these users condone his shower story. The difference in this is that nothing of that ever has materialized into anything substantial - it remains an allegation. Unless there is behind-the-scenes work done (And we really dont have to know, i reckon), it should remain as is.
But i get it. That story was just the cherry on the topping. Its not hard to see why people bailed because of it - That and OldGAF's moderation being geniunely quite terrifying. The reason why most of us are agreeing with eachother here, is because we see the same thing happening again over at ERA - And its a thing its community does not deserve to have.
Regardless of the reasoning behind it, the community split off and formed their own base. Now, do you really want a breathing and living community operating on (most of) the same policies as OldGAF, or do you really want a breathing and living community by the way ERA was originally presented as? Because that's the ERA id love to see return.
Now, just speaking personally, i dont think my postings are bullying, but more providing critical notes about these members. I feel this is needed, because i can't safely say that the users mentioned post in good spirits or with proper intent. What i observe, is these users operating from a default posting principle: Assume that the other party is not posting in good faith, threatens the health of the community, or is a danger to you or others. The result of that principle is that baiting is a big time high and The Names (The small group of moderators ruining it for all the other members and the other staff) and The Little Helpers (The members who get protected by The Names and help them out) action anyone that even so slightly as flinch against this principle. That to me creates a toxic community, one that is more and more getting a negative image by the actioning that is performed.
If you want more info of me not bullying users but nuancing and criticizing them, see the following, just from this thread alone. I hope this proves my intent and approachability as a user here. Thank you for your comment by the way, and i look forward to your answer!
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253330465
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253334802
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253335675
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253337203
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253344502
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253353842
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253354364
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253337275
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253338089
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253343986
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253344220
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253354096
EDIT: And i agree, we should cover other places aswell, and be more positive whilst we do it. As it stands, and i directly contributed through this myself with my posts, the critique on Reset, whether extensively or casually, is been really one-sided.
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Papa
Banned
If you don't understand how it's an integral part of GAF's history, you're playing dumb. I should give you the benefit of the doubt though: maybe you're not playing.
As I've said, the key difference is that we are linking to and discussing specific posts and moderation standards. It serves a purpose because discussing these things helps ward off the slow creep of authoritarianism. It's a sanity check. You coming in and throwing around vague insults without evidence is entirely different. Then you have the temerity to accuse Claus of doing that when his evidence was your post history, which is not hidden or vague at all.
I suspect you're just here to shit up the thread in the hopes of getting it locked. I hope that doesn't happen because, as I said, this thread serves an important purpose.
Edit: Forgot to address your "I don't tolerate the intolerant" rhetoric. The fact you subscribe to this view unironically without understanding how it can blind you says it all.
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Windom Earle
Member
Stop being so upset about us bantering about Era. No matter how much you wanna downplay things, there is no doubt that the creation of ResetEra was a big cut for GAF and things were looking bleak for a while afterwards. It's fine to talk about and it doesn't make us sewage. Believe it or not, there were people who actually cared about this site and hated the way how toxic their former "internet home" got when it was handed on a silver platter to SJWs. Yes, it's natural to see change in things and in life. But it's not always for the better. Just looking at the way mods are handling this topic on this very page paints a positive picture on how things could turn out for "NuGAF". Transparency and freedom of opinion are a great thing. See how you can talk to us without having to pass purity tests and being in constant fear of accidentally stepping out of line?
Sorry, I don't follow Giant Bomb, just not autistic enough to idolize a weird group of bitter "game journalists".
Pro tip: If things antagonize you or others, you are not forced to read.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
Oh, you mean like when Daniel Vavre was called out for being 'racist' - despite the fact that he wasn't racist? How about Colin Moriarty who was called out for being 'intolerant' - despite the fact that (again), no such intolerance was found, except to the overzealous community that you seem to subscribe to. The community *looks* for any mild non-issue they have and tries to make it an issue. They have a long history of these pathetic witch hunts, something that has been proven to cause industry veterans to hide/shy from communication (as can be seen by the Skyrim poster). What about the multiple bans for daring to suggest that Jessica Price deserved to be fired or calling out the false narratives that people like Jason Schreier or Austin Walker tried to push? Nah, they were just the ones pushing false narratives and demonizing the press they so desperately wish to get notoriety from. The moderation team was on the "right side of history."
You consider this "antagonizing" people, but the vast majority of the posts is looking at the actions of other sites to hopefully prevent such poor moderation and community interaction from taking hold here once more. Most of the "antagonizing" comes from people like you and your posts that refer to everyone as "sewage", blatantly false claims of "alt-right/neo-nazis", and sad attempts at trying to play the moral high ground. Also, this isn't the most popular thread. Nice try with the disingenuous bull.
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James T. Kirk
Member
Did I? Sorry, forgot.You did ask this before, and i answered you. If you want, ill digg up that post
What is?
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
If gaf was as bad as you claim, you would be enjoying a permanent vacation at this point.
But you know, don't let that get in the way of your special reality
Active by what metric? There are other faster moving threads elsewhere but due to the lack of new developments they die off and get replaced over time.
This thread, while not particularly active has a constant stream of new content to discuss hence making it appear to be the most active to someone stuck in their confirmation bias loop.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
We have the Brave Exvius OT thread which has just as much activity as here, not to mention the various gamer gate threads which grew a more sizable amount of pages in shorter time frame than this thread has in its three months of existence. We also have a thread on the front of Gaming that has over 20 pages in just under a couple of weeks talking about Naughty Dog. There are more, but those are just a few examples off the top of my head. Assuming we are talking about popularity with the most pages and unique posters in the shortest amount of time.
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James T. Kirk
Member
lol Just checked that thread out. Not being a gamer, it felt like I was reading German. lol Thanks anyway.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Yea, I don't really play the game either - however it has had steady participation for over a year now, even after the death of most OT threads.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
One day you'll realise that all you've done by crying racist at every single transgression because "you're on the right side of history" is make the word meaningless if you haven't already. Racist, bigot, misogynist, ---phobe, facist etc are used so flippantly and errantly that they are already well on their way to becoming meaningless.
And that isn't even looking into the fact that almost every one of them is used in a hypocritical manner.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
Wasn't that MagicalKitsune who said that? Not Fantomena?
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Indeed, might have been an error due to saved text fields and cutting down quotes.
Fixed
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Corrik
Member
I was looking at the wrong link. It wasn't your post.
dolabla
Member
The thing is, their definition of Nazi, fascist, racist, bigot, sexist, whateverphobic is usually way the hell out of line. Read this thread and other places that read with their content (kiwi, etc) and look at the ridiculous bans of "downplaying racism", "transphobia", etc. They toss those demonizing words around like candy to anybody who doesn't 100% think like them. Moderates, Republicans, people just not Progressive enough are pretty much the epitome of evil according to them.
Let's say what they're saying is true when they ban these ridiculous amounts of posters. That's a lot of dang racist, bigot or (insert other demonizing word) hanging out on their forum. How the heck did they attract so many of these people?
I saw first hand when they were here just how destructive they were to a forum with their dogpiles to get people banned, etc. They are not interested in real discussion, but mostly interested in tossing around labels to demonize anybody who is not in line.
Like others have said though, these certain types used to be a big part of this forum to the point to where they had taken it over. That's why their continued actions are still discussed here.
It's Jeff
Banned
Oh no, I don't want it to die. If it dies, the members have to go somewhere. I'm perfectly happy to keep observing from a safe distance.
James T. Kirk
Member
Fair enough.
JORMBO
Darkness no more
A lot of places didn't want Gaffers after things exploded last year. Reset is the only place that will put up with a lot of the more extreme posters. I agree it's best to keep things contained there.
Papa
Banned
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
I see this argument a lot on Reset, but no one can dismantle it there without getting perma banned, so allow me to do it here:
Calling out someone for being intolerant is fine. Calling out everyone who does not agree with your opinion for being intolerant simply because they do not agree with your opinion is not fine. It's pure dictatorship behaviour. Most of the people being accused of racism over that side aren't even being racist. Most of the people being accused of sexism aren't even being sexist. And let's not even talk about extreme labels like "nazi".
As someone else said here, the constant misuse of those labels ultimately makes them meaningless.
Jessica Price's thread is an excellent example. She accused a fan of mansplaining her for giving her feedback then and proceeded to call him an asshat, in addition to being very aggressive towards another user. She (and a male co-worker who defended her actions) got booted by the company the next morning. But simply pointing this out on the resetera thread was worth a ban for, guess what, "pushing a false narrative"! The tweets were there for everyone to see, but apparently, according to the mods, they are fake news and a product of our imagination. The gaming press took this story and called the fan in question the harasser and Price the victim, even though it was blatantly not the case. But simply pointing this out was worth a ban as well, for "villifying game journalism"! Guild Wars 2 community, which is one of the nicest and most SJW-friendly out there (far more than ResetEra itself, which are not friendly nor welcoming) were accused for being an "angry mob of Gamegators!" by reseters. But you couldn't dare to point out how ignorant tht was, if you didn't want to get silenced by the mods and labeled a "far-right troll".
Ultimately, the community's hypocrisy and false labeling is all over the place. They were willing to defend a bully just because she was a woman. Where's the morality in that? That's sexism. Why weren't they banned? Why weren't they labeled nazis too? Because doing so would require some sort of self-conscious about their own hypocrisy, which they don't have any. In their limited view of the world, their opinion is 100% right and everyone who does not agrees with them is 100% wrong.
So, no, reseters are't having people banned for being intolerant. They are having people banned for being "perceived" as intolerant, according to their own incredibly broad, vague standards of what makes someone intolerant or not. The moment something like "I don't like you" equals "you are intolerant", then that label has lost any meaning behind it.
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