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[Papa]

I understand them just fine thanks. I maintain my position if he's that scared of America no longer being a white majority he can always move to a country that is. Much more feasible than getting 13% of your nation to pack up and move to Libya.

But I don't think he's scared of America no longer being a white majority...?

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

I maintain my position if he's that scared of America no longer being a white majority he can always move to a country that is

He's not even from here.

 

[Ke0]

But I don't think he's scared of America no longer being a white majority...?

Maybe it's you who can't parse his posts then?

The complete opposite.
I don't want slaves or dictatorships. I want white people to remain the majority in their countries.

And people wonder why whites are scared of losing their majority status in their home countries.

They're going to be hunted down and slowly massacred. An actual genocide.

Yes I did. Every other [non-white] country does it. I want white countries to be the same.
And I care because it will create further division and ethnic conflict if whites become minorities in their own countries.
We already have ethnic issues with a 62% white majority in America. Whites being further underrepresented will spell chaos and unrest.

There's nothing to own up to. I want white countries to maintain a white demographic.

If it was non-stop brawling, America wouldn't have made it past the first 13 colonies and built wonders like the Empire State Building.

And America wont unite, when the white majority lose their status. It didn't happen in Haiti. And it didn't happen in South Africa.

Seems pretty scared to me mate.

And he hasn't been arguing in good faith at all. The Liberals wanted to keep slavery and the Conservatives wanted to free the slaves? Come on, I'm not even from your country and I know that's a load of shite.

He's not even from here.

Ah Brampton, Canada. Brampton an area in east GTA that's 73% visible minorities. 43% being South Asian, 13% being Black. Sounds like he should move but maybe he can't afford to so he just complains on forums all day.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Eh Jordan does the same song in dance in pretty much every thread. Oh noes America will no longer be white majority! Ethnostate! Black crime! I wouldn't let it bother you honestly. He kinda just says a lot of nothing. Differences in opinion can be racist. I'm not American so I can't say but I can easily see why a black-American would be offended with his statements.

You can see why a black American (or any decent person for that matter) would be offended by someone insinuating that certain races are inherently more violent and prone to crime? Gee, I sure hope so.

Crazy that this shit is just "opinions" around here now.

 

[TheMikado]

Y'all just don't understand his arguments as far as I can tell. Disagreeing is another thing altogether.

No, this is simple kindergarten reasoning which I've already explained why his arguments failed. He can come to conclusion all he wants about it being racial, but I'm not going to give him an easy ticket to a poorly and frankly idiotic means of thesis testing.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

I read decades. My bad.

At least it could counts as an example that American society was really wrong not less fifty years ago.

I was talking about the prior decade, the years 2000 to 2010, you totally misread my post.

But thanks for giving me a good laugh because at first I thought that you thought those photos were from the 2000s.

If you have to ask then you probably have no idea what you are talking about. For LGBT in particular only the recent years actually started to get really better. It's not like religious nuts, people who oppose gay marriage and conservatives that want LGBT hidden and unheard all went way or stopped trying to make their life hard. Just look at places like The Donald or /pol/ or how any same-sex intimacy in media is meet with groans and complain of "muh gay agenda" (And before you say media don't matter, media and art largely reflect society).


I have to ask, how is the life worse for a non-minority in 2018 than it was years ago?

Ok, I'll concede there's been great strides in acceptance of LGBT people, that's good!

I'm not trying to downplay it, seriously, it's good.

But racial and gender relations have taken a nosedive and that's bad.

I dunno man, I just feel like the country was far less racist pre-Obama. And I'm not pinning all this on him by any means, I'm just saying I feel like that's when the line between "racist" and "normal" became fuzzy. Now people get accused of racist for daring to treat minorities the same way they treat other white people, the fringe groups are in the forefront of the media, the president is blamed for their very existance because he doesn't like terrorism... the whole country is in some weird shit right now...

You are absolutely correct.

I don't know how much of the blame you can really lay at Obama's feet, certainly not all of it but certainly none of it either, but either way it was an unfortunate unforeseen consequence of his Presidency, that while people thought it would usher in a "post-racial" America it did the literal exact opposite, American is the most racialized it's ever been in 50 years.

 

[Ulysses 31]

You can see why a black American (or any decent person for that matter) would be offended by someone insinuating that certain races are inherently more violent and prone to crime? Gee, I sure hope so.

Crazy that this shit is just "opinions" around here now.

Are you under the impression that differences between races are purely cosmetic? Studies have shown that on average, IQ of black people is lower than white people, have higher serum testosterone levels and have a lesser ability to defer gratification. The combination of lower IQ and higher testosterone makes someone more likely to commit crimes, also the lesser ability to defer gratification lends itself to a smash and grab mentality.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

Are you under the impression that differences between races are purely cosmetic? Studies have shown that on average, IQ of black people is lower than white people, have higher serum testosterone levels and have a lesser ability to defer gratification. The combination of lower IQ and higher testosterone makes someone more likely to commit crimes, also the lesser ability to defer gratification lends itself to a smash and grab mentality.

 

[TheMikado]

All right. I think I'm going to bail for a while.


Crazy that the post is still there. Something as blatant as that wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes even back in 2007 when I first registered here and things were much more 'colorful' than they were in recent years before the exodus. I think I'm out for a while too if that kind of InfoWarrior nonsense is seriously considered OK these days.

At a certain point we all have to decide what we want to be.

We decided if we want to be engaged in this type of debate and whether we will spend our time here.

This forum will have to decide want it wants to be.

 

[Ke0]

Those kind of posts are definitely not doing the forums any kind of favors, definitely paints the forum in a certain light that I don't think the owner wants.

You can see why a black American (or any decent person for that matter) would be offended by someone insinuating that certain races are inherently more violent and prone to crime? Gee, I sure hope so.

Crazy that this shit is just "opinions" around here now.

I'm not arguing that he is just speaking a different opinion, I'm arguing that even under the nonsense guise of "different of opinion" it's still racist, instead of the idea "difference of opinion" can excuse racism.

 

[SatansReverence]

All right. I think I'm going to bail for a while.


Crazy that the post is still there. Something as blatant as that wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes even back in 2007 when I first registered here and things were much more 'colorful' than they were in recent years before the exodus. I think I'm out for a while too if that kind of InfoWarrior nonsense is seriously considered OK these days.

Oh no, facts and statistics! Better run away and hide behind my feelings

 

[Darkking2001]

White people have more privilege on average bro...it's a fact don't get mad!

 

[Chairman Tickles]

All right. I think I'm going to bail for a while.


Crazy that the post is still there. Something as blatant as that wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes even back in 2007 when I first registered here and things were much more 'colorful' than they were in recent years before the exodus. I think I'm out for a while too if that kind of InfoWarrior nonsense is seriously considered OK these days.

I finished my biology degree (animal science-humans included) back in 2008 so I'm a bit rusty, but current research backs up him statement. He should have provided some recent sources though. Maybe focus on arguing/countering him by stating why IQ (formalized by the US military during ww1) is not that useful in all situations. One meta example would be the Republic of Botswana in southern Africa, which has one of the lowest average IQ rates in the world (65), and yet has per capita real GDP equivalent to Croatia ( Av. IQ 95) and is as peaceful and ordered.

However hormone composition and its effects is much harder to argue against.

Anecdotal example but backed up by current science; I've been going to Gym for 6 months now, also on daily Creatine supplementation, 10 grams. My DHT levels have increased considerably, by ~at least 15-20%; lo and behold I lose my shit sometimes in ways and for reasons I never used to before. Aggression has clearly increased. I know it has because I am not close to being normally this twitchy.

 

[Papa]

Maybe it's you who can't parse his posts then?











Seems pretty scared to me mate.

And he hasn't been arguing in good faith at all. The Liberals wanted to keep slavery and the Conservatives wanted to free the slaves? Come on, I'm not even from your country and I know that's a load of shite.



Ah Brampton, Canada. Brampton an area in east GTA that's 73% visible minorities. 43% being South Asian, 13% being Black. Sounds like he should move but maybe he can't afford to so he just complains on forums all day.

In white countries. His main point, at least as I interpret it, is that non-white homogeneous countries are not held to the same standard as white homogeneous countries. America is not a white homogeneous country and I don't think Jordan ever claimed that it is or should be. He used the statistic that whites are a 62% ethnic majority to support one of his many points and you have all gone outside the lines to connect the dots in your mind that make you believe he is saying that America should be a white ethnostate.

Ethnic majority and ethnic homogeneity are different things. A 51% white country would be a majority white country but not a homogeneous white country. He noted that there is currently a white majority in America, which is factually correct, and he would be concerned for the welfare of whites if they became a minority in America, presumably because of the effect it would have on voting demographics and the flow-on effects to policy. Moreover, I believe that he is speaking on cultural rather than ethnic terms, which is a critical distinction. Based on my observations of social justice rhetoric and the corruption of humanities departments in universities, I think he has a valid point. The sub-culture of victimhood that has developed in many minority communities echoes the most murderous totalitarian regimes in history. Hitler's platform was based on perceived oppression by an ethnic group and look what happened when he gained the power he sought. The parallels are obvious to anyone paying attention.

The oppressor-oppressed dynamic is portrayed as being inherently a white-non-white dynamic. This is simply not true globally, which is why Jordan keeps talking about social standards in homogeneous non-white countries. What you call white privilege is in fact majority privilege or, more accurately, minority disadvantage. The goal should not be to drag others down to some hypothetical norm; rather, it should be to lift others up if they do not have equality of opportunity. Furthermore, equality of opportunity needs to be quantified if you want to construct policy around it. Looking at group-level unequal outcomes and working backwards to try to determine opportunity at the input end of the system is not sufficient quantification because you cannot account for all of the variables that transform opportunity into outcome.

 

[JordanN]

You can see why a black American (or any decent person for that matter) would be offended by someone insinuating that certain races are inherently more violent and prone to crime? Gee, I sure hope so.

I see a problem when you take a position like this. We have raw facts that say despite making up 13% of the population, 50% of all violent crimes are being commited by one race.

Instead of crying racism or offense, why not be offended at the lack of accountability? We keep justifying this by saying "oh, but it's poverty!" "oh but it's population density".
But how can poverty make someone so violent that they commit half of all the violent crimes in the U.S despite being the minority?

Again, the quickness to point out "racism" and not actually look at these numbers for how terrifying that they are, that it has to go beyond just simple wealth.
I posted that Bermuda is still like this, despite technically being richer than Hong Kong and even less densely populated.

South Africa, after the end of the apartheid, had all its crime skyrocket to unprecedented levels. How can a country that was living 1st world for almost all its life suddenly become the violence capital in an instant? Where did this magic poverty come from to change all that in a matter of a few years?

There's quite clearly a trend, and the raw scientific studies demonstrate this. But this topic doesn't want to be discussed for some reason, when I think it ultimately hurts everyone by not looking at these facts and seeing a terrifying spike in crime that doesn't lead me to believe that "oh yeah, they just don't have enough money. That's why there's an 8x difference in crime between white and black".

Even ask yourself, why is money so important to stop homicides, rape, violent break-ins etc? It's not like America is some place where someone who is poor is about to go hungry or starve. There are lots of charities or soup kitchens around that do their best to prevent an actual famine from taking place. Couple this with America's capitalistic nature, and a service will be provided at every level if someone can make a profit from it. So I don't see the disproportionate killings coming from a place where one race is on the brink of starving and has to kill to survive.

 

[Grey Specter]

I will ask again: why is the focus on perceived advantage rather than demonstrable disadvantage?

At what point is this the case? It's pedantry; white privillige is the fact that you are advantaged for being white and disadvantaged for being black. Racist attitudes from the 60's and 70's can obviously still have their effects felt today.

 

[Grey Specter]

I see a problem when you take a position like this. We have raw facts that say despite making up 13% of the population, 50% of all violent crimes are being commited by one race.

Instead of crying racism or offense, why not be offended at the lack of accountability? We keep justifying this by saying "oh, but it's poverty!" "oh but it's population density".
But how can poverty make someone so violent that they commit half of all the violent crimes in the U.S despite being the minority?

Again, the quickness to point out "racism" and not actually look at these numbers for how terrifying that they are, that it has to go beyond just simple wealth.
I posted that Bermuda is still like this, despite technically being richer than Hong Kong and even less populated.

South Africa, after the end of the apartheid, had all its crime skyrocket to unprecedented levels. How can a country that was living 1st world for almost all its life suddenly become the violence capital in an instant? Where did this magic poverty come from to change all that in a matter of a few years?

There's quite clearly a trend, and the raw scientific studies demonstrate this. But this topic doesn't want to be discussed for some reason, when I think it ultimately hurts everyone by not looking at these facts and seeing a terrifying spike in crime that doesn't lead me to believe that "oh yeah, they just don't have enough money. That's why there's an 8x difference in crime between white and black".

Even ask yourself, why is money so important to stop homicides, rape, violent break-ins etc? It's not like America is some place where someone who is poor is about to go hungry or starve. There are lots of charities or soup kitchens around that do their best to prevent an actual famine from taking place. Couple this with America's capitalistic nature, and a service will be provided at every level if someone can make a profit from it. So I don't see the disproportionate killings coming from a place where one race is on the brink of starving and has to kill to survive.

You're immediately assuming all incarcerated African Americans are criminals. How do you know they're not being targeted by a racist judicial system? How do you know they're not being provoked?

In any case, even if it were true that each one of them was subjected to a legitimate trial, there could be any number of reasons for its occurrence. I'd recommend you don't start falling down the "blacks are just violent" rabbit hole, because it takes a lot to recover.

 

[JordanN]

You're immediately assuming all incarcerated African Americans are criminals. How do you know they're not being targeted by a racist judicial system? How do you know they're not being provoked?

In any case, even if it were true that each one of them was subjected to a legitimate trial, there could be any number of reasons for its occurrence. I'd recommend you don't start falling down the "blacks are just violent" rabbit hole, because it takes a lot to recover.

Are all of them are criminals? Maybe not. But why would I assume this to be only true for black people, and not incarcerated whites, asians, hispanics, etc?
And why make these special exceptions when crime data shows, homicide rates are disproportionately higher in blacks than whites? You can't fake a dead body.

How do you know they're not being targeted by a racist judicial system?

If we look at South Africa's incarceration, should I expect to see a high amount of white prisoners? Even after taking into account the real discrimination white people face there?
Again, I can't take seriously that the only reason black people are going to jail is because of racism. Especially when incarceration has gone up since the end of Jim Crow, not down. Was America somehow less racist in the 1960s?

What's more shocking is that blacks who are aged 40-49 are still imprisoned at a higher rate than whites. These are people who were born right after the civil rights act passed, and yet the incarceration rate still persists.

 

[Moneal]

At what point is this the case? It's pedantry; white privillige is the fact that you are advantaged for being white and disadvantaged for being black. Racist attitudes from the 60's and 70's can obviously still have their effects felt today.

Its about what works when communicating your idea. Privilege infers the target does not deserve the place they currently hold, and should be brought down to the level of others. When in actuality you should be arguing to bring others to the target's level. That is the difference between white privilege and disadvantaged minorities. Very few people would argue against the notion that black people face disadvantages in society. Many would argue against being told that the things they have were not deserved.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

Its about what works when communicating your idea. Privilege infers the target does not deserve the place they currently hold, and should be brought down to the level of others. When in actuality you should be arguing to bring others to the target's level. That is the difference between white privilege and disadvantaged minorities. Very few people would argue against the notion that black people face disadvantages in society. Many would argue against being told that the things they have were not deserved.

So, feelings over facts?

 

[JordanN]

By the way, one of my quotes by K Ke0 was cherry picked and edited. In fact, all my quotes are missing key information or the context they derived from.

My full quote said this.

And there it is.
White people can't be victims. And people wonder why whites are scared of losing their majority status in their home countries.

They're going to be hunted down and slowly massacred. An actual genocide.

It was in response to a post that was dismissive to white people being killed in South Africa and claiming they have no right to complain/be victims.
If a group of people are being killed off and not being allowed to defend themselves, then I recognize this as being a genocide.

 

[TrainedRage]

Y'all seem oddly bothered by a pretty straightforward observation.

Quoting =bothered now..... ok.

Nah im just wondering why you would even comment on WHITE privilege. you clearly know nothing about it.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

Quoting =bothered now..... ok.

Nah im just wondering why you would even comment on WHITE privilege. you clearly know nothing about it.

And here I thought I was commenting on whether it was cool to be racist on neogaf. Is being racist a white privilege to you?

 

[Moneal]

So, feelings over facts?

The fact that your point is lost due to your language usage is the problem. A basic tenant of communication is know you audience. Again very few people would agree with the notion that they don't deserve the things they have, and they deserve to be brought down to a lower level. Which is what white privilege conveys. If you believe they don't deserve the things they have, and should be brought down, keep using the term. But don't pretend you don't understand why people reject the term. If you agree that all people should be on the same level as white people it would do you well to use terms that convey that message instead.

And here I thought I was commenting on whether it was cool to be racist on neogaf. Is being racist a white privilege to you?

since only white people can be racists due to prejudice + power = racism, racism is very much white privilege.

 

[Solomeena]

At a certain point we all have to decide what we want to be.

We decided if we want to be engaged in this type of debate and whether we will spend our time here.

This forum will have to decide want it wants to be.

You are so melodramatic, give me a break. Why does this forum has to decide what it wants to be? Who says it has to, you?

 

[Papa]

I'm hoping that poster realizes that the group average is meaningless at the individual level.

 

[TheMikado]

You are so melodramatic, give me a break. Why does this forum has to decide what it wants to be? Who says it has to, you?

I hope the irony of your melodrama of posting your exasperation on a gaming forum and then claiming I'm some how trying to decide what this forum has to be isn't lost on you.

 

[JordanN]

Black people don't tend to get up in the morning saying to themselves I really need to do harm to white people today. It just doesn't happen.

On the other side of things though there are some that do exactly that.

I missed this post.

Black people commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime against white people.

Also interesting, the FBI stopped publishing interracial data after Obama was elected. Quite a coincidence.

 

[Beard of the Forest]

As long as people aren't typing "nigger" at others, anything else is cool it seems.

There's no hate speech going on here, just people trying to have a civil discussion. Try winning arguments due to their merit and not by relying on the racist card.

 

[dragonfart28]

Anyone who thinks white privilege doesn't exist is either naive or disingenuous.

I wouldn't be nearly as successful as I am right now if I weren't white.

And Jordan Peterson is a clown.

 

[Papa]

So, feelings over facts?

The privilege argument isn't based on facts though.

 

[Gander]

I'd like to suggest some viewing material to some people in this thread for this weekend.

Hidden Figures
Something the Lord Made
Marshall

They will help answer some questions about black intelligence.

 

[Papa]

Anyone who thinks white privilege doesn't exist is either naive or disingenuous.

Anyone who thinks original sin doesn't exist is either naive or disingenuous.

 

[Gander]

I missed this post.

Black people commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime against white people.
Also interesting, the FBI stopped publishing interracial data after Obama was elected. Quite a coincidence.

That weird how many white churches got shot up by black shooters? I don't recall any maybe I missed some.

 

[JordanN]

I'd like to suggest some viewing material to some people in this thread for this weekend.

Hidden Figures
Something the Lord Made
Marshall

They will help answer some questions about black intelligence.

You're not understanding how the Bell Curve works.
It deals with averages. I.e, you take a group of people, you test them, and then you weight the results.

No one is saying there are no black geniuses. What the Bell Curve says, is that by looking at how IQ is distributed in Black populations, they tend to be at the very very end of the curve.

 

[Gander]

No you don't understand how polls are skewed especially without asking certain questions about them.

First blacks are a minority in the U.S. so just a numbers game there will be fewer brilliant ones.
Second the only true fair questions are questions in mathematics and that's only if all of your surveying group has access to the same kind of education and resources.

 

[Papa]

I'd like to suggest some viewing material to some people in this thread for this weekend.

Hidden Figures
Something the Lord Made
Marshall

They will help answer some questions about black intelligence.

Are these the mysterious history references you keep telling us you're so educated on?

 

[JordanN]

No you don't understand how polls are skewed especially without asking certain questions about them.

First blacks are a minority in the U.S. so just a numbers game there will be fewer brilliant ones.
Second the only true fair questions are questions in mathematics and that's only if all of your surveying group has access to the same kind of education and resources.

IQ is biologically.
In Africa, we know the average IQ is lower than in Black Americans (which is usually 60 ~ 70 points). When nutrition and education are taken into account, Black Americans have an average IQ of 85 points.
Keep in mind, Black Americans also have some White admixture in their blood, which better explains the gap.

 

[Papa]

You're not understanding how the Bell Curve works.
It deals with averages. I.e, you take a group of people, you test them, and then you weight the results.

No one is saying there are no black geniuses. What the Bell Curve says, is that by looking at how IQ is distributed in Black populations, they tend to be at the very very end of the curve.

Ackchually the most important part of the bell curve is the overlap between populations.

 

[Gander]

IQ is biologically.
In Africa, we know the average IQ is lower than in Black Americans (which is usually 70 points). When nutrition and education are taken into account, Black Americans have an average IQ of 85 points.

That's funny because it's ridiculous but it's not funny because people really believe that horseshit and make serious decisions based on it.

 

[Beard of the Forest]

Are you under the impression that differences between races are purely cosmetic? Studies have shown that on average, IQ of black people is lower than white people, have higher serum testosterone levels and have a lesser ability to defer gratification. The combination of lower IQ and higher testosterone makes someone more likely to commit crimes, also the lesser ability to defer gratification lends itself to a smash and grab mentality.

IQ is biologically.
In Africa, we know the average IQ is lower than in Black Americans (which is usually 70 points). When nutrition and education are taken into account, Black Americans have an average IQ of 85 points.

Please provide sources for the numbers and claims made in statements like these. As the poster citing these "facts", the burden of proof is on you to provide the relevant data that your numbers are pulled from.

 

[Papa]

No you don't understand how polls are skewed especially without asking certain questions about them.

First blacks are a minority in the U.S. so just a numbers game there will be fewer brilliant ones.
Second the only true fair questions are questions in mathematics and that's only if all of your surveying group has access to the same kind of education and resources.

Ackchually, at the sample sizes we are considering, the distributions are more important than the absolute numbers. Minority vs majority status is irrelevant if your sample size is big enough.

Ackchually, there are many more cognitive indicators in IQ tests than mathematical ability. Spatial reasoning, for example.

 

[Gander]

Black excellence is all around throughout history it should be all you need negate your polls. From the traffic light to The Three Musketeers, black innovation is all around you. Something those polls won't address.

 

[Tapioca]

Are all of them are criminals? Maybe not. But why would I assume this to be only true for black people, and not incarcerated whites, asians, hispanics, etc?
And why make these special exceptions when crime data shows, homicide rates are disproportionately higher in blacks than whites? You can't fake a dead body.

If you want to break groups of people into crime demographics why are you only using race? The vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men of all races. Why are you not shitting on men? You won't because you would have to include yourself and that would make you feel bad. Crime stats, particularly violent crime stats, make men look like very very bad people.

 

[JordanN]

That's funny because it's ridiculous but it's not funny because people really believe that horseshit and make serious decisions based on it.

Please provide sources for the numbers and claims made in statements like these. As the poster citing these "facts", the burden of proof is on you to provide the relevant data that your numbers are pulled from.

IQ testing (and the gap between white and black) has been conducted since WW1, making this study nearly 100 years old. Just like other scientific theories like gravity or evolution, there's no reason to believe these scientists are just making this stuff up.

But you can read for yourself:

THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY
https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

Global IQ Scores

INTELLIGENCE A Unifying Construct for the Social Sciences 2012 (Not a reliable source due to Lynn's history of untrustworthy/sketchiness. I will leave the link up though for curious people and perhaps not all countrie's results mentioned were tampered by Lynn's bias)
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/intelligence-a-unifying-construct-for-the-social-sciences-richard-lynn-and-tatu-vanhanen.pdf

A systematic literature review of the average IQ of sub-Saharan Africans (An article that refutes the above about Lynn's methods. According to this paper, the average Sub-Saharan African IQ is 82)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289609000634?via=ihub

The average IQ of sub-Saharan Africans: Comments on Wicherts, Dolan, and van der Maas (This is Richard Lynn's reply to the above study. Again, I acknowledge his sketchy methods of testing IQ, but I'll leave this link up for people
to make their own conclusions and or use in personal research.)
http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/lynn2010.pdf

Wicherts, Dolan, and van der Maas (2009) contend that the average IQ of sub-Saharan Africans is about 80. A critical evaluation of the studies presented by WDM shows that many of these are based on unrepresentative elite samples. We show that studies of 29 acceptably representative samples on tests other than the Progressive Matrices give a sub-Saharan Africa IQ of 69; studies of the most satisfactory representative samples on the Standard Progressive Matrices give an IQ of 66; studies of 23 acceptably representative samples on the Colored Progressive Matrices give an IQ of 71. The international studies of mathematics, science, and reading give a sub-Saharan African IQ of 66. The four data sets can be averaged to give an IQ of 68 as the best reading of the IQ in sub-Saharan Africa.

Black and White IQ differences by population

ETHNIC GROUP DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY IN EMPLOYMENT AND EDUCATIONAL SETTINGS: A META-ANALYSIS
http://home.ubalt.edu/tmitch/645/articles/roth et al ethnic grp diff in cog abil ppsych 2001.pdf


IQ and its correlation to workplace

Rich blacks perform slightly worse than the Poorest Whites/Asians

A UC analysis last year of 1995 SAT scores in California found that
blacks from California families earning $100,000 or more per year had
a mean math score of 498, 1 point less than whites from families
earning less than $10,000 and only 7 points more than Asians whose
families made less than $10,000.

http://www.arthurhu.com/index/test.htm#satincome
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Source: 1995 College Board SAT Profiles

Test scores
white |black |mexican |asian
income verbamath |v m |v m |v m
x$10,000 | | |
under 10 409 460| 320 315| 330 386| 343 482
10-20 418 459| 337 369| 349 403| 363 500
20-30 428 471| 352 382| 369 420| 497 518
30-40 433 478| 362 393| 384 431| 415 528
40-50 439 488| 375 405| 399 446| 432 537
50-60 446 498| 382 414| 409 456| 444 549
60-70 453 506| 385 415| 415 458| 453 558
over 70 475 533| 407 442| 430 478| 476 595
overall 448 498| 376 426| 356 388| 418 538

Black over 70 < white under $10,000
White over 70 < asian 40,000
Asian verbal scores comparable above $40,000 / yr

http://www.arthurhu.com/index/sat.htm


Rich blacks perform equally as bad as poor blacks on test scores

Race, not neighborhood matters the most as whites and blacks broken
out do about as well in the affluent suburb of Bellevue as they do in
the diverse city of Seattle. Asians only fare worse than whites in
areas like Seattle, where poor Asians are matched with over-educated
whites. In the suburbs, Asians generally do as well as whites in
communities one notch up in affluence. Blacks in the near-top
eastside perform no better than Seattle at worst, and no better than
the 50th percentile at best, and the same in the SF Bay area.

The DC suburb of Prince George County has the nation's most affluent
black community with a $50,000 median income, yet their test scores
are no better than Oakland which has among the worst districts and
poorest black communities in the SF bay area.

Exceptions to the poverty and affluence rule are that poor Asians
perform at near national average without any special intervention.

Poor blacks in the Zion academy and other special schools appear to
be able to hit the 50 to 55 percentile. Blacks selected in magnet
schools in Chicago, Detroit, and Georgia perform at levels comparable
to the best Asian schools like Lowell.

Whites and Asians in Richland WA with otherwise undistinguised
incomes perform as well on math as students in the far more affluent
Seattle Eastside suburbs ($17k vs. $23k in Bellevue pci) because
their parents service the high-tech Hanford nuclear reservation on
government paychecks. Areas near Air Force bases also get very good
test scores.

http://www.arthurhu.com/index/test.htm#satincome


The Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test

The racial scoring gap on the SAT test has now become wider than has been the case for the past two decades. Many believe that in the years to come the gap may grow smaller, not because blacks are catching up to whites in educational achievement, but rather because the test makers are adding a writing component to the test that may be manipulated to lessen racial differences and therefore reduce public criticisms of the test.

http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html


Childhood social class and cognitive aging in the Swedish Adoption/Twin Study of Aging
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/06/13/1620603114

Between–within twin-pair analyses were performed on twins reared apart to assess familial confounding. Childhood social class was significantly associated with mean-level cognitive performance at age 65 y, but not with rate of cognitive change. The association decreased in magnitude but remained significant after adjustments for level of education and the degree to which the rearing family was supportive toward education. A between-pair effect of childhood social class was significant in all cognitive domains, whereas within-pair estimates were attenuated, indicating genetic confounding. Thus, childhood social class is important for cognitive performance in adulthood on a population level, but the association is largely attributable to genetic influences.

Japanese north–south gradient in IQ predicts differences in stature, skin color, income, and homicide rate
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289613000949

•In Japan, there is IQ gradient from north to south.

•Stature and average income cline is also from north to south.

•Homicide rates increase from north to south.

•Fertility rates and suicide rates decrease from north to south.

•Infant mortality is not correlated with latitude.

Intelligence and educational achievement
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289606000171

This 5-year prospective longitudinal study of 70,000 + English children examined the association between psychometric intelligence at age 11 years and educational achievement in national examinations in 25 academic subjects at age 16. The correlation between a latent intelligence trait (Spearman's g from CAT2E) and a latent trait of educational achievement (GCSE scores) was 0.81.

Genetics and intelligence differences: five special findings (up to 80% heritable)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270739/

The heritability of intelligence increases from about 20% in infancy to perhaps 80% in later adulthood. (ii) Intelligence captures genetic effects on diverse cognitive and learning abilities, which correlate phenotypically about 0.30 on average but correlate genetically about 0.60 or higher. (iii) Assortative mating is greater for intelligence (spouse correlations ~0.40) than for other behavioural traits such as personality and psychopathology (~0.10) or physical traits such as height and weight (~0.20).

The "Flynn Effect" and Flynn's paradox

The results appear to me correct: the magnitude of white/ black IQ differences on Wechsler subtests at any given time is correlated with the g loadings of the subtests; the magnitude of IQ gains over time on subtests is not usually so correlated; the causes of the two phenomena are not the same. I have acknowledged this many times (Flynn, 2008, p. 79; 2012, p.136).

http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/flynn2013.pdf

The g beyond Spearman's g: Flynn's paradoxes resolved using four exploratory meta-analyses
http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/flynn2014.pdf

A fundamental point concerning the present paper is that correcting for psychometric artifacts will almost guarantee that our conclusions will be strengthened: correcting the means will have negligible effects, and the percentage variance explained between data points will increase strongly. When an observed correlation of .05 is corrected upwards by 25% it still remains only .06, a negligible effect; as the observed correlation is very small even a quite substantial correction will have almost no effect. Our outcomes suggest the true value of all the studies on different topics combined is zero or very close to zero, so correcting for statistical artifacts will not change the conclusions based on the mean one bit.

IQ and the wealth of nations: How much reverse causality?
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.439.4227&rep=rep1&type=pdf

This paper uses data from 130 IQ test administrations worldwide and employs regression analysis to try to quantify the impact of living conditions on average IQ scores in nationally-representative samples. The study emphasizes the possible role of conditions at or near the test-takers' time of birth. The paper finds that the impact of living conditions is of much smaller magnitude than is suggested by just looking at correlations between average IQ scores and socioeconomic indicators. After controlling for test-takers' region of ancestry, the impact of parasitic diseases on average IQ is found to be statistically insignificant when test results from the Caribbean are included in the analysis. As far as IQ and the wealth of nations are concerned, causality thus appears to run mostly from the former to the latter. The test-takers' region of ancestry dominates the regression results. While differences in average scores worldwide can thus be plausibly viewed as being influenced by genetic differences across world regions, it is also possible that score differences are influenced by regional differences in culture that are independent of genetic factors. Differences in average IQ across world regions may change in the years ahead insofar as the strength of Flynn effects may not be uniform, but some regional differences in average g levels seem likely to continue indefinitely

Twin Studies help confirm the heritability of IQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Estimates

Various studies have found the heritability of IQ to be between 0.7 and 0.8 in adults and 0.45 in childhood in the United States.[17][21][22] It may seem reasonable to expect that genetic influences on traits like IQ should become less important as one gains experiences with age. However, that the opposite occurs is well documented. Heritability measures in infancy are as low as 0.2, around 0.4 in middle childhood, and as high as 0.8 in adulthood.[9] One proposed explanation is that people with different genes tend to seek out different environments that reinforce the effects of those genes.[17] The brain undergoes morphological changes in development which suggests that age-related physical changes could also contribute to this effect.[23]

A 1994 article in Behavior Genetics based on a study of Swedish monozygotic and dizygotic twins found the heritability of the sample to be as high as 0.80 in general cognitive ability; however, it also varies by trait, with 0.60 for verbal tests, 0.50 for spatial and speed-of-processing tests, and 0.40 for memory tests. In contrast, studies of other populations estimate an average heritability of 0.50 for general cognitive ability.[21]

The intelligence of Korean children adopted in Belgium
https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0191886989902468

Africa's dependence on foreign aid

Making Sense of Heritability
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files....king-sense-of-heritability-neven-sesardic.pdf

Heterosis doesn't cause the Flynn effect: A critical examination of Mingroni (2007).
http://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037/a0024759

Mingroni (see record 2007-10421-011) proposed that heterosis or hybrid vigor may be the principal driver of the Flynn effect—the tendency for IQ scores to increase at a rate of approximately 3 points per decade. This model was presented as a resolution to the IQ paradox—the observation that IQ scores have been increasing despite their high adult heritability—on the basis that substantial changes in IQ can only be accounted for by changes in underlying genetic factors. It is here argued that this model is predicated upon a misconception of the Flynn effect, which is most pronounced on the least g-loaded components of cognitive ability tests and is uncorrelated with genetic effects such as inbreeding depression scores (which are correlated with the g loadings of tests). Evidence supportive of the recently proposed life history model of the Flynn effect is presented. In the discussion, other theoretical objections to the heterosis model are also considered. On this basis, it is concluded that the Flynn effect is strongly entwined with developmental status and that heterosis cannot be its principal cause.

The cognitive differentiation-integration effort hypothesis: A synthesis between the fitness indicator and life history models of human intelligence.
http://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037/a0024348

A closer look at the role of parenting-related influences on verbal intelligence over the life course: Results from an adoption-based research design
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614000889?via=ihub

The high heritability of educational achievement reflects many genetically influenced traits, not just intelligence
http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/111/42/15273.full.pdf

IQ Scores of Each American State. Even "backwards" and "redneck" concentrated areas like West Virginia score 98.7 point average in IQ.
https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/...in-all-50-states-results-are-eye-opening.html

James Watson (co-discoverer of the DNA) defends the link between race and intelligence
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html

James Watson's most inconvenient truth: race realism and the moralistic fallacy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18656315

The preponderance of evidence demonstrates that in intelligence, brain size, and other life-history variables, East Asians average a higher IQ and larger brain than Europeans who average a higher IQ and larger brain than Africans. Further, these group differences are 50-80% heritable. These are facts, not opinions and science must be governed by data. There is no place for the "moralistic fallacy" that reality must conform to our social, political, or ethical desires.

A life history model of the Lynn–Flynn effect
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886911001498?via=ihub

Is collective intelligence (mostly) the General Factor of Personality? A comment on Woolley, Chabris, Pentland, Hashmi and Malone (2010)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289611000201?via=ihub

Consanguinity and reproductive health among Arabs (inbreeding rates)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2765422/

A review of intelligence GWAS hits: Their relationship to country IQ and the issue of spatial autocorrelation
http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/PifferIntelligence2015.pdf

IQ Tests as reliable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Reliability_and_validity

"Psychometricians generally regard IQ tests as having high statistical reliability.[9][56] A high reliability implies that – although test-takers may have varying scores when taking the same test on differing occasions, and although they may have varying scores when taking different IQ tests at the same age – the scores generally agree with one another and across time. Like all statistical quantities, any particular estimate of IQ has an associated standard error that measures uncertainty about the estimate. For modern tests, the standard error of measurement is about three points[citation needed]. Clinical psychologists generally regard IQ scores as having sufficient statistical validity for many clinical purposes.[22][57][58] In a survey of 661 randomly sampled psychologists and educational researchers, published in 1988, Mark Snyderman and Stanley Rothman reported a general consensus supporting the validity of IQ testing. "On the whole, scholars with any expertise in the area of intelligence and intelligence testing (defined very broadly) share a common view of the most important components of intelligence, and are convinced that it can be measured with some degree of accuracy." Almost all respondents picked out abstract reasoning, ability to solve problems and ability to acquire knowledge as the most important elements.[59]"

Mainstream Science on Intelligence: An Editorial With 52 Signatories, History, and Bibliography
http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf

Mainstream Science on Intelligence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence

The letter to the Wall Street Journal set out 25 conclusions:[3]

13. "Heritability estimates range from 0.4 to 0.8 ... indicating genetics plays a bigger role than environment in creating IQ differences"

1979 News Article: Judge confirms 15 point difference in IQ between black and white children
https://www.nytimes.com/1979/10/17/...q-test-is-no-gauge-for-retarded-students.html

The judge noted that black children on the average scored 15 points below white children on standard intelligence tests such as the Wechsler intelligence scale and the Stanford‐Binet scale. The average on such tests is 100.

U.S Army World War 1 IQ Testing reveals 1 Standard Deviation (15 IQ point) difference between blacks and whites (page 317)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwj847BNfkDKN1hMbXp3ZThteEU/view#page=317

And in 2001, the Average Black IQ only went up by 2 points
https://home.ubalt.edu/tmitch/645/articles/roth et al ethnic grp diff in cog abil ppsych 2001.pdf

Multiple studies confirm racial gaps exist when socio-economic status is controlled for.

Human genetic clustering

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_clustering#Genetic_cluster_studies
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Rosenberg_1048people_993markers.jpg

The Flynn Effect is actually no longer increasing. In fact, IQ's are decreasing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect#Possible_end_of_progression

Jon Martin Sundet and colleagues (2004) examined scores on intelligence tests given to Norwegian conscripts between the 1950s and 2002. They found that the increase of scores of general intelligence stopped after the mid-1990s and declined in numerical reasoning sub-tests.[42]

Teasdale and Owen (2005) examined the results of IQ tests given to Danish male conscripts. Between 1959 and 1979 the gains were 3 points per decade. Between 1979 and 1989 the increase approached 2 IQ points. Between 1989 and 1998 the gain was about 1.3 points. Between 1998 and 2004 IQ declined by about the same amount as it gained between 1989 and 1998. They speculate that "a contributing factor in this recent fall could be a simultaneous decline in proportions of students entering 3-year advanced-level school programs for 16–18-year-olds."[52] The same authors in a more comprehensive 2008 study, again on Danish male conscripts, found that there was a 1.5-point increase between 1988 and 1998, but a 1.5-point decrease between 1998 and 2003/2004. A possible contributing factor to the more recent decline may be changes in the Danish educational system. Another may be the rising proportion of immigrants or their immediate descendants in Denmark. This is supported by data on Danish draftees where first or second generation immigrants with Danish nationality score below average.[53]

In Australia, the IQ of 6–11 year olds as measured by the Colored Progressive Matrices has shown no increase from 1975–2003.[54]

In the United Kingdom, a study by Flynn (2009) found that tests carried out in 1980 and again in 2008 show that the IQ score of an average 14-year-old dropped by more than two points over the period. For the upper half of the results the performance was even worse. Average IQ scores declined by six points. However, children aged between five and 10 saw their IQs increase by up to half a point a year over the three decades. Flynn argues that the abnormal drop in British teenage IQ could be due to youth culture having "stagnated" or even dumbed down. He also states that the youth culture is more oriented towards computer games than towards reading and holding conversations. Researcher Richard Gray, commenting on the study, also mentions the computer culture diminishing reading books as well as a tendency towards teaching to the test.[55][56]

Earliest White Farmers have an unbroken chain of ancestry to Aegean region
http://www.pnas.org/content/113/25/6886

Massive migration from the steppe was a source for Indo-European languages in Europe
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5048219/


Maxillary Arch Size and Shape in American Blacks and Whites
http://www.angle.org/doi/pdf/10.1043/0003-3219(2000)070<0297:MASASI>2.0.CO;2?code=angf-site

Abstract: American blacks have larger teeth than whites, but they less frequently exhibit crowding—
apparently because of larger arch dimensions. This study quantified differences in arch size and shape in
these 2 constituents of the US population. Eighteen dental and bony landmarks were digitized from the
maxilla of each of 332 subjects with permanent, intact dentitions, proportionately divided between blacks
and whites, men and women. Linear, angular, and area measurements were computer-generated. Arch
widths averaged 10% greater in blacks than whites, and mesiodistal arch depths had a greater difference,
at 12%. Blacks, with a more square palate and significantly larger palatal index, were distinguished from
whites primarily by greater intercanine and interpremolar widths. Arch perimeter was greater in blacks by
8%, and cross-sectional area of the arch was 19% greater in blacks than whites, so blacks and whites differ
substantially for these parameters not only in size, but in shape as well. These differences are relevant in
prosthodontics and orthodontics since individualization of treatment leads to more effective treatment by
working within the patient's natural arch form instead of making patients fit a single standard. (Angle
Orthod 2000;70:297–302.)

Racial differences in bone density between young adult black and white subjects persist after adjustment for anthropometric, lifestyle, and biochemical differences.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9024231

Bone density at all skeletal sites was statistically significantly greater in black than in white subjects; on average, adjustment for covariates reduced the percentage density differences by 42% for men and 34% for women. Adjusted bone density at various skeletal sites was 4.5-16.1% higher for black than for white men and was 1.2-7.3% higher for black than for white women. We concluded that racial differences in bone mineral density are not accounted for by clinical or biochemical variables measured in early adulthood.

20 physical traits you may have inherited from a Neanderthal
https://www.abroadintheyard.com/20-physical-traits-inherited-from-neanderthal/


No evidence of racial discrimination in criminal justice processing: Results from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886913000470


Forensics 101: Race Determination Based on the Skull
https://jenjdanna.com/blog/2012/7/10/forensics-101-race-determination-based-on-the-skull.html

Physical anthropology considers that there are six main races—black, white, American Indian, East Asian, Polynesian and Melanesian/Australian, but for simplicity's sake, we're only going to consider the first three as they are the most comprehensively described.

Racial differences in skeletal structure originally arose when small genetic changes developed in populations isolated by geography. Now, as world travel increases and people of different racial backgrounds intermix and produce children, it is becoming harder to differentiate individuals of different races. But there are some key features of the skull that can help forensic anthropologists:

 

[JordanN]

If you want to break groups of people into crime demographics why are you only using race? The vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men of all races. Why are you not shitting on men? You won't because you would have to include yourself and that would make you feel bad. Crime stats, particularly violent crime stats, make men look like very very bad people.

So what you're saying is men are more prone to violence than women? I mean, yeah. I do think Men are more likely to be violent criminals than women. Do I feel bad? Well I think it's terrible so I do my best as a man to not become a criminal. And if I see other men do it, I would try to stop them.

Since this is a thread about "race" and "white privilege" I'm going to want to break things down on a racial level instead of gender.

 

[Papa]

If you want to break groups of people into crime demographics why are you only using race? The vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men of all races. Why are you not shitting on men? You won't because you would have to include yourself and that would make you feel bad. Crime stats, particularly violent crime stats, make men look like very very bad people.

With men, the cause is a lot easier to pin down because it's a single variable: testosterone. We don't know what to do about it.

 

[Papa]

JordanN your brute force approach isn't working. There's been enough diagnosis: I want to hear what your solutions are.

 

[JordanN]

JordanN your brute force approach isn't working. There's been enough diagnosis: I want to hear what your solutions are.

If it was up to me? I would institute a policy that screens for violence/criminal history. Violent offenders wouldn't be allowed to reproduce. Social services would be restricted only to those who can prove they can contribute positively to society.
But I don't control government, so I can only stop crime at an individual basis.

 

[Papa]

If it was up to me? I would institute a policy that screens for violence/criminal history. Violent offenders wouldn't be allowed to reproduce. Social services would be restricted only to those who can prove they can contribute positively to society.
But I don't control government, so I can only stop crime at an individual basis.

Ok yeah nah I'm out. Sorry bro, you lost me at eugenics.