Tornado Condor
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I hate the latinx term. It's a whitewashed term in the first place. If they wanted something correct, they would use a word such as Latine.
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cpp_is_king
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I think he's serious. Him, Morrigan, and excelsiorelf were always the most insane people on old GAF. Stinkles could be a little extreme sometimes, but nothing like these folks. There was one guy, I wish I could remember who it was, who said that rich people should literally just have all their money taken away from them and thrown in jail, no questions asked.
For the record, I'm calling everyone "he" here since I don't know their gender and that's the generally accepted way of referring to people in a gender neutral fashion ;-)
lmao, sounds too much like "latrine"
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DeepEnigma
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
At the end of the day, when its around these topics (gender and such) there is a very clear narrative to push acceptance in their way - Which is, by catcalling, bad faith posting, antagonizing, condescend, and if all that does not work as a Little Helper, calling in The Names.
Its kinda sad really, that all these trans people/helpers, with their unique experiences that are geniunely useful, are wasting it by being so generally uncomfortable to have a conversation with. You can't raise any point or something needs to be corrected in a very pedantic way.
There are new network graphs but i am not yet sure how it works and all. And perhaps i shouldn't for now. The banbot as is is so extensive that the only thing it really misses is either to keep track of which member gets you axed (thats the network graph) and which The Names member axes you, and oh, also their cross-conversation on member bans. Although this latter part is plain doxxing so that will never happen (Rightfully so).
Not always though. Crunklord does all that work and takes up that effort. I mean, its pointless effort, but also highly interesting (and yeah, entertaining) that this dedication is thereYep.Redneckerz has been on it with the node data.
In other news:
Remember the Master Baiter? Oh, i am sure we all do know. So, curiosity killed the cat. Reading these posts back, a whole lot of assumptions came to me. When you are this skilled at baiting people, there must be something up, you know? And since ''avatar shaming'' is an offense there, i am totally not making it part of the assumption.
But behind that baiting mask is a person with geniunely deep and concering issues. Someone who does not think highly of oneself, and harms herself. It confirms my (Terrible) assumptions, but its also why i am making this post. Even though her baiting behavior is absolutely despicable, i just wanted to highlight that these people do not have an easy life to endure. And i am not going to make 1 + 1 equals 2's here, but you can safely assume that part of the baiting and talking down plays a part in this.
I really, really wish these users get the therapy and help that they deserve. Because this baiting, it clearly is a distraction from those deeper issues. And instead of dealing with these issues, they bait instead. Its why i choose to also highlight this part of that user - To give a complete picture, and to show that even Little Helpers have their dark sides. I wish that she gets the help she needs or is seeing someone. My empathy is with this user.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Oh yes, I know he does all the work, etc.. I mainly meant you have been doing a good job keeping us updated with new information from it as well as drawing a visual picture of the data with links to the posts the nodes light up with.
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Reported your post for reducing it to mere dots. Posts have feelings too, you know, you darn Postphobic monster! /s
DeepEnigma
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Wait a second you bigot: are you telling me code is binary?I do not see color/sex/race, we are all the same dots of 1's and 0's.
I identify as a floating-point number.
DeepEnigma
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Pronouns being 1C, A0, and 87.I'm hexadecimal on a spectrum, so...
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
But which number is morally, factually and objectively superior? See, you think in 1's and 0's, putting the 1 before the 0, thus suggesting that 1 is superior over 0. That is Binaryphobic and you are unaware of that.I do not see color/sex/race, we are all the same dots of 1's and 0's.
You gotta look further man. Our posts are just strings on a text panel. What kind of strings you say? Well, i don't want to be reported..
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You can just refer to me dripping in metallic gold. #D4AF37
dolabla
Member
Reset's take on the newest member of the NYT's editorial board and her past tweets:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-nyt-editorial-hire-under-fire-for-past-tweets.59570/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-nyt-editorial-hire-under-fire-for-past-tweets.59570/
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
This one is golden.
Mochilador
Member
What about this one?
The Master Baiter is also there:
And this guy gets it:
He will probably be banned. =(
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Enygger_Tzu
Banned
One should go and ask those guys a very simple question:
If she hates white people, why has she taken a job working under them?
If she hates white people, why has she taken a job working under them?
dolabla
Member
captainraincoat
Banned
At the end of the day, when its around these topics (gender and such) there is a very clear narrative to push acceptance in their way - Which is, by catcalling, bad faith posting, antagonizing, condescend, and if all that does not work as a Little Helper, calling in The Names.
Its kinda sad really, that all these trans people/helpers, with their unique experiences that are geniunely useful, are wasting it by being so generally uncomfortable to have a conversation with. You can't raise any point or something needs to be corrected in a very pedantic way.
There are new network graphs but i am not yet sure how it works and all. And perhaps i shouldn't for now. The banbot as is is so extensive that the only thing it really misses is either to keep track of which member gets you axed (thats the network graph) and which The Names member axes you, and oh, also their cross-conversation on member bans. Although this latter part is plain doxxing so that will never happen (Rightfully so).
Not always though. Crunklord does all that work and takes up that effort. I mean, its pointless effort, but also highly interesting (and yeah, entertaining) that this dedication is there
In other news:
Remember the Master Baiter? Oh, i am sure we all do know. So, curiosity killed the cat. Reading these posts back, a whole lot of assumptions came to me. When you are this skilled at baiting people, there must be something up, you know? And since ''avatar shaming'' is an offense there, i am totally not making it part of the assumption.
But behind that baiting mask is a person with geniunely deep and concering issues. Someone who does not think highly of oneself, and harms herself. It confirms my (Terrible) assumptions, but its also why i am making this post. Even though her baiting behavior is absolutely despicable, i just wanted to highlight that these people do not have an easy life to endure. And i am not going to make 1 + 1 equals 2's here, but you can safely assume that part of the baiting and talking down plays a part in this.
I really, really wish these users get the therapy and help that they deserve. Because this baiting, it clearly is a distraction from those deeper issues. And instead of dealing with these issues, they bait instead. Its why i choose to also highlight this part of that user - To give a complete picture, and to show that even Little Helpers have their dark sides. I wish that she gets the help she needs or is seeing someone. My empathy is with this user.
Good post
Without generalizing there are a lot of people over there that appear to have some sort of mental issues and I don't mean that in a funny or sniping way but people tend to express themselves more openly on a forum and there are some telltale signs of people with depression or severe anxiety.
The gender confusion and attacking anyone who disagrees with a view is a classic symptom...some of these people must have a struggle to function at a normal capacity in real life without being triggered.
It can be funny to poke fun at these people but I guess we all forget that small things to us can be very big for them.
I don't think people in here set out to hurt others but both sides really need to meet in the middle and this appears to not be happening.
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
Last guy will probably be banned
User Banned. Duration: Permanent. Downplaying institutional racism, derogatory remarks against posters, history of repeated aggressions AND arguing in bad faith.
Mochilador
Member
The ultimate combo.
Ulysses 31
Member
The mods over there must be good mindreaders to know people are arguing in bad faith so often.
Xaero Gravity
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It's genuinely depressing that people are defending her over that shit. Racism is racism, and that's some pretty blatant racism.Reset's take on the newest member of the NYT's editorial board and her past tweets:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-nyt-editorial-hire-under-fire-for-past-tweets.59570/
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It is code for challenging their world view on certain topics.
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
You know, I expected it from bi..resetera, to defend a racist against the right skin tone.
But, really, could not NYT be a bit more professional when defending her?
Don't they know how much bad will she look to the average reader and how damaging their brand is going to be over this?
Or, the straight white christian voices are lost anyhow, so we can stop pretending we served those voices ever? Blunt, but sound reasoning, won't get them far, but sound reasoning...
But, really, could not NYT be a bit more professional when defending her?
Don't they know how much bad will she look to the average reader and how damaging their brand is going to be over this?
Or, the straight white christian voices are lost anyhow, so we can stop pretending we served those voices ever? Blunt, but sound reasoning, won't get them far, but sound reasoning...
dolabla
Member
I enjoy watching their insane hypocrisy on display. It really is a thing everybody outside ree should see
Xaero Gravity
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JORMBO
Darkness no more
Reset's take on the newest member of the NYT's editorial board and her past tweets:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-nyt-editorial-hire-under-fire-for-past-tweets.59570/
So much blatant racism. I haven't read too far yet but haven't seen a ban. Not surprised.
Windom Earle
Member
Racism against white people... Come on guys you know better. That is not a thing!
prag16
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Punching up == always okay
Punching down == never ever okay
I'm new be nice
Member
Everyone has neuroticisms, it's just a matter of degree. Sometimes it can actually be beneficial to be neurotic (protecting one's family often requires some suspicion of the outside world). I think the problem, especially from what I've seen from a lot of the posters over there, is there's just not enough self reflection. How often do you ever see the most prominent posters admit to their mistakes, or even at the very least pose their statements with an air of caution ("I think", "the science appears to say", "it would seem").
More often it is "objective fact", which isn't a bad thing to state per se, because there are some statements that are truer than others, but there is so much intellectual aggression that the only kind of conversation you can initiate is a one-sided lecture from them at best.
I think it is fair to say that a general sense of parsing away their own problems via aggresive forum posting is accurate, and I think we could also recognize that in ourselves here as well. There is obviously, to some degree, a factor of us also curbing our boredom, or any other kind of general responsibility we may be avoiding, for a quick distraction. Which is perfectly fine I reckon, so long as we keep it in perspective.
It's certainly not easy to keep your world view open. You have to constantly re-examine everything over and over again, and that does burn a lot of energy. And it would probably be impossible if you're trying to balance some truely dire problems in your life.
Edit: I have so many dishes to do right now...
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Heh. I have quite thick skin, but some of the posts there kinda infuriated me.
royox
Member
Reset's take on the newest member of the NYT's editorial board and her past tweets:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-nyt-editorial-hire-under-fire-for-past-tweets.59570/
Can somebody explain me what "white fragility" is? I don't want it to be what I think it is.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
If you (as a white person, you cannot show white fragility otherwise) react defensive over the criticism of valid (at least in the eye of the person using the term; it certainly has a littel variance depending on the viewpoint) criticism of racial discrimination. E.g. if someone said "black people are killed by the police disproportionally" and someone else answers "Most policemen are good guys and white people also sometimes get killed by the police". Which may be technically correct, but is not a proper refusal of the previous term. More severe cases would be when provably correct claims are refuted by claiming they are wrong [because of emotional involvement].
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
It's a fake term made up to tell whitey to hush. Every human reacts poorly to blanket criticism. "White fragility" is the term used by some to imply that white people are expected to deal with it because of their skincolor.
If black middle-class families were told to quit whining about black murder rate in poor areas and were said to be suffering from "black privilege", there'd be a meltdown even thought the two terms are analogous.
prag16
Banned
Yep. It's another one of those terms where if someone uses it, they're likely an ideologue not worth debating.
prag16
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Aquamarine
You still hanging around here at all? You ready to swear off that purple dumpster fire yet?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...e-for-past-tweets.59570/page-21#post-11055378
"Concern trolling and arguing in bad faith." Fucking amazing. 'Only' three days though, so there's that.
EDIT: Should have checked before I posted, I see you commented on this in the NYT thread. Guess your nuanced opinions and well thought out points aren't welcome there. New gaf has its flaws, but at least everyone is welcome here short of obvious blatant assholes.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...e-for-past-tweets.59570/page-21#post-11055378
"Concern trolling and arguing in bad faith." Fucking amazing. 'Only' three days though, so there's that.
EDIT: Should have checked before I posted, I see you commented on this in the NYT thread. Guess your nuanced opinions and well thought out points aren't welcome there. New gaf has its flaws, but at least everyone is welcome here short of obvious blatant assholes.
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Absolutely. And i understand that people need to vent on this - Transitioning and dealing with this little thing called society and the pressures it enforces (certainly in the US) on these things.. that's no joke. If coming out as a gay person is already a challenge, imagine how transitioning is in such countries.
That being said, these people (Just generally speaking here) are usually under therapy aswell and thats totally fine. Going through such a monumental change is most definitely going to cause a severe strain on your mental health. And when this isnt recognized, it leads to things like depression, anxiety, and even suicidal tendencies as ERA has harbored such users. It is why i believe the Mental Health thread in there is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing, because you give people an outlet and a voice to things that are unspoken for them IRL, but also a curse, because it also highlights the less positive side: A lot of these people are Little Helpers, members of The Names even, having a very defined perspective on things.
Anything that is outside these parameters is assumed with bad intent. This defined perspective also does not allow them to change their tune and re-adjust in conversations, and above all, they feel their way of thing is correct and absolute, because they are trans. They are the ones dealing with these issues (They aren't wrong in that regard) but they make the mistake that because they are dealing with it, they are always right, full stop. And that is where problems arise: The unwillingness to treat others with differing views as people with differing views but shun them for having those views. All the while they want their views to be respected and to be absolute.
This is why i say that i advocate for more awareness and more acceptance... These people need to get help, not give them a stage on a forum where they can bait others into a ban for differing views. As my link showed, it does not help their situation... the whole baiting.. the whole Little Helper role.. its just an outlet to be heard, not something they geniunely are. Atleast that's what i want to believe, as (possibly) as naive as that might be.
The Elite
BOSS
The What is Racism? thread over at Reset shows that a lot of people on the forum have a pretty good handle on the actual meaning behind the word and can identify the difference between racism and systemic racism just fine. It's a small percentage of Reset that unfortunately drives the toxic discussion that isn't helping anyone. That also leads to a lot of levelheaded people who aren't willing to engage.
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Deleted member 752119
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Yeah the same is true of most every forum. I think the political discussions here are terrible as well as it's just people with extreme views on both sides arguing and making most threads toxic. The problem with Era is the biased modding as a good forum shouldn't have staff taking a side and should just be enforcing members debating civilly regardless of which side of the aisle they're on.
And that's what makes this site better, slow activity aside. They're more concerned with being a safe space for marginalized people, which I'd have no problem with if all the good gaming-side content from GAF hadn't gone over there. There are really no good gaming forums anymore as a result as the others either lack activity, moderation or both.
But anyway, there's always going to be toxity in political discussion (and game discussion too sadly due to fanboy nonsense) as people with issues post online the most frequently and intensely, as do people with extreme views. Thus normal folk who also have somewhat more moderate stances on a lot of issues just nope the fuck out of heated discussions. It's not worth the effort when the most active participants are people who tend to have issues and regardless of that are extremists (or fanboys for the gaming side) stuck in their ways and beliefs.
As I've said before, for the political side of things, if one wants to make a difference, then vote, donate, volunteer, protest, write your reps, get involved in local politics (be it running for office or just going to council meetings etc. and speaking up). Nothing productive comes out of being a keyboard warrior online. Especially on silly video game forums.
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Yeah, I'm the same way, but that thread was really disappointing to read and put me in a sour mood yesterday.
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Deleted member 752119
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I made the mistake of skimming both that one and the one here. Both were terrible and had me say "that's enough internet for today" and resolved to stop clicking on political threads. Both sites have such threads ruined by people with terrible views, just with the most frequent/vocal posters being from opposite ends of the spectrum. I have no use for extremists from either side and I'm done even looking at such topics.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I just read through that one, and ugh, I think I'm done too.
ipukespiders
Member
When they say "literally shaking right now" they mean literally.
Michele
you.
Oh my god...
Not this racist thing again...Why is it that on a certain condition, the person can get shunned, insulted and be banned?
And, on other conditions, the person is cheered? What the hell?
Racism isn't a thing you should cheer on, it's a serious problem. What the hell, man?
Not this racist thing again...Why is it that on a certain condition, the person can get shunned, insulted and be banned?
And, on other conditions, the person is cheered? What the hell?
Racism isn't a thing you should cheer on, it's a serious problem. What the hell, man?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It seems to be on a spectrum over there. I know, shocker.
michaelius
Banned
Well there's simple test - replace white with any kind of POC and check how the what was said sounds now.
If it immediately starts sounding like racism then it was racism from the start.
TheSadRanger
Banned
Well it's a confusing time, Trump is branded a racist. He's been reported at saying some sketchy things about Haiti. Yet at the same time he appropriated $362 million to HBCU's, $32 million more than Obama. He gives Alice Marie Johnson clemency, then gives a pardon to Scooter Libby.
His tweets can be irrational at times it seems yet he has diplomatic success with NK.
I mean he's so all over the place that it's not even funny. He's supposed to be this horrible, racist person, edit: the muslim ban certainly targeted a specific ethnicity but maybe he had the country security at interest, yet he's pushing for bipartisan prison reform https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...m-trump-pushes-bipartisan-solution/621534002/ which arguably affects blacks the most.
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cpp_is_king
Member
The people we are talking about have redefined the word racism to fit the agenda though. It no longer means "discrimination against people based on race". To these people, it means "discrimiation by a majority against a minority" (despite the obvious fact that no respected dictionary contains this definition). So it's literally impossible to be racist against white people for these fine folks, because white people are not a minority. Dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life, but that's the agenda they're pushing.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
One of his central promises for the election was deeply routed in racism and his travel ban is, as well. This does not excuse other people's racism, but Trump certainly has quite a few racist policies.Well it's a confusing time, Trump is branded a racist. He's been reported at saying some sketchy things about Haiti. Yet at the same time he appropriated $362 million to HBCU's, $32 million more than Obama. He gives Alice Marie Johnson clemency, then gives a pardon to Scooter Libby.
His tweets can be irrational at times it seems yet he has diplomatic success with NK.
I mean he's so all over the place that it's not even funny. He's supposed to be this horrible, racist person, edit: the muslim ban certainly targeted a specific ethnicity but maybe he had the country security at interest, yet he's pushing for bipartisan prison reform https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...m-trump-pushes-bipartisan-solution/621534002/ which arguably affects blacks the most.
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