nkarafo
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Has any game with a similar agenda ever saw a success from this?
So far it looks like a method to kill your game.
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Battlefield V projected to be the great AAA flop of 2018
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So far it looks like a method to kill your game.
iconmaster
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Mat Piscatella claims the analyst is going by Amazon alone and Amazon isn't offering physical preorders, whereas previous Battlefields were available physically. I don't know the history there, but that would be a significant monkey wrench if so.
Ar¢tos
Member
How else are people going to judge their interest in a game when it is revealed, if not by the reveal trailer???
First impressions are huge, EA should know that....
LucidFeuer
Banned
I hate hypocrites like you. But I put that on ignorance. There is a huge problem with revising History and it's not about "accuracy". Go out tell people the Holocaust is a lie and maybe only a thousand jewish people were deported...you wouldn't because you're a hypocrite or ignorant coward, and yet I'm sure you're incapable of arguing why it would actually be a problem.
Same goes with revising History by portraying women as having taken any part in WWII: this is not about accuracy but ignoring the fact that feminist movements of the 1920s and it's consequences had a lot to do with the rise of social violence, fascism, the absence of women on battlefields and the fact that even after the war nobody would dare talk about feminism again until 1960s. I'm sure you have absolutely no fucking clue why and that's what makes it all the more intolerable that Dice lies and falsifies History this way.
Also it is spitting on hundreds of millions of men amongst which pre-pubescent boys who died in the atrocities, I'd like to see you tell your bullshit to one of those survivors and veterans...
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Lightsbane
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I don't get why they didn't simply create an "alternate reality" game, where women were in the exact same position as men. They could even have wacky (but interesting) weapons, like Valkyria Chronicles.
This sounds like wanting to have your cake and eating it too. You can have a recreation of WW2 with amputee women on the front lines, leading the charge, but it's going to look just a tiny bit ridiculous.
If, beyond that, you fail to justify your decision and basically tell fans to vote with their wallets... I'm pretty sure they're going to do just that.
This sounds like wanting to have your cake and eating it too. You can have a recreation of WW2 with amputee women on the front lines, leading the charge, but it's going to look just a tiny bit ridiculous.
If, beyond that, you fail to justify your decision and basically tell fans to vote with their wallets... I'm pretty sure they're going to do just that.
DonF
Member
I know! Like a game where you play as a company, that its not completely correct...maybe call it...Not good Company or something.
Lightsbane
Member
I was thinking more like VC, really.
Call it the Europan War. I'm sure SEGA won't mind... too much. Throw in some ragnite canisters too. And a Valkyrur DLC.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Had to look it up. Holy crap EA has literally told their fans, that if they don't like their SJW agenda then don't buy it.
It's really nice to see people voting with their wallets.
NickFire
Member
I find it very refreshing when someone says if you don't like it: don't buy it; don't go there; change the channel, etc., etc.
But um, you know, its not really a good thing for a company spokesperson to say to the actual people who have historically bought their products. That's what you should say to the people who don't really give a shit about your product in large numbers. It's a common sense thing for any business. Which makes it really weird when someone says it with a hundred million, give or take, n the line for development, marketing, etc.
LostDonkey
Member
If it was present day aka a sequel to BF4 it would have been a runaway success imo.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I will give bf5 some credit though. At least they had the decency to include a campaign mode unlike another pretty famous FPS coming out this fall. Sydney they the game that has the campaign will most likely sell worst. It does have a campaign, right?
The Mad Draklor
Member
I can't trust Mat fully considering that he already gave his opinions about BFV and the backlash right after the game's reveal, so I have no idea if he's telling the truth or trying to damage control.
PerezDeCorcho
Member
I hope this sends a message to rest of the industry.
SonGoku
Member
That's $30 in excess of what i would buy this game for
bu bu but angry Joe said....
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Do Make Say Think
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I think you making light of those accomplishments, by comparing them to having women in a video game, make a good point.
Having women in a WWII shooter is akin to denying the Holocaust. Yup. Same thing! How did I fail to see it that way...? Hitler rose to power on the back of the suffragettes, it's all socialism after all.
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GC_DALBEN
Member
I agree, and i think thats why BFV is selling so poor, i have bf1 but i only play bf4 and bf3, BF1 sold very well but it was indeed a step back, and ppl noticed.
Blam
Member
beautiful good to know the numbers were way wrong.
astroglide
Member
Crazy how trailors can help or break a game. The battlefield 1 trailors were great. People were hyped. The trailor for this are bad. I'm sure game will be good despite the sjw bs
Isa
Member
Even if the numbers the analysts were picking from were off, I'd recon that all the hubbub isn't doing the game any favors. Hell just browsing through the gaming feed this weekend on YouTube is/was full of channels knocking the game's expected sales. And with a game so multiplayer focused that may well scare people away. Its kind of crazy though seeing so many factors against this title.
Texas Pride
Banned
The first year of BF4 was a shit show then came BF Hardline, SWBF & SWBF 2 say hello. They used to deliver. They used to get the benefit of the doubt. Not anymore. And when this game tanks the blame will be endless as to why but it won't matter bcs the "free" post launch DLC will be non existent. Just think about this. Star Wars is a HUGE entertainment property. And they not only fucked that up but they've abandoned that game bcs they couldn't fuck everyone over for a dollar. If they will do that with Star Wars you bet your ass when this underwhelms they'll drop it without a second thought and move on. Anyone expecting the game to be supported post launch is going to be very very disappointed.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Same. I'm still buying day 1 as I'm happy all get the maps for free to keep the community intact. We'd have to see how it plays out long term as BF games have long tails.
Captain Zyrain
Member
I could not care less about the cosmetics or the women inclusion or whatever.. they have not sold me with the marketing for this game. I expect big epic trailers for BF and they have absolutely not delivered.. basically for the first time that I can remember (going back to BF1942).
I might pick it up, but right now my interest is very low.
I might pick it up, but right now my interest is very low.
Texas Pride
Banned
If it was a simple $40 add on to BF 1 it would be a success in all likelihood. Even with the bullshit surrounding it. They're going to have to take the loss in this one and hopefully learn from it.
camelCase
Member
If it was wolfenstein I don't think ppl would complain
LucidFeuer
Banned
You may well be antisemitic, since you're totally ignorant of History. Also nice straw man, reducing the previous feminist cycle to the suffragettes, even though I'm talking about the flappers, and you don't even understand or know what I'm referencing.
GTR R35_Supra RZ
Banned
Who came up with this idea we had WW2 with BF1/COD for couple of years, now, more of the same for another 2-3 yrs, and we know these guys in no rush for BF6, plus, they support the shit out of their gms post launch for a hot min..nah, you can have that.
Modern Warfare for life.
Modern Warfare for life.
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
Who fuckin cares. The game is releasing right off the balls of RDR2 aka the biggest game of this generation. Of course preorders will be low. The game will be fine.
hey, those frames will change your life
ickythingz
Banned
As an old BF customer who left the series years ago, I actually hope to see this game crash and burn commercially as it should. The BF games have been dumbed down and ruined for years. They deserve failure. EA, until I see real gameplay and a consumer friendly business model, you will never see a dime from me.
888
Member
Looks like they are doubling down and wishing they added Women into BF1 from the start and then said some stuff about jumping on bandwagons but not being bandwagons or something. Basically sounds like they are just pushing character customization for those sweet sweet micro transactions.
http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/08/2...battlefield-1?abthid=5b7ca9cf9fa21d233600096b
"I mean, if we were getting on the bandwagon, I created Battlefield 1, and we could've 'jumped on the bandwagon' that time around," Grøndal said. "I think it's a shame we didn't [add women], because that perhaps would've been better for us. I don't think it's a bandwagon thing, I think it's about gamers wanting to express themselves in different ways."
http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/08/2...battlefield-1?abthid=5b7ca9cf9fa21d233600096b
"I mean, if we were getting on the bandwagon, I created Battlefield 1, and we could've 'jumped on the bandwagon' that time around," Grøndal said. "I think it's a shame we didn't [add women], because that perhaps would've been better for us. I don't think it's a bandwagon thing, I think it's about gamers wanting to express themselves in different ways."
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TheWatcher
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What pisses me off is their marketing strategy for the DLC. Every single relevant fraction that participated in the war should be in it Day 1.
Aaron Olive
Member
It's looking like a similar situation to NBA Live 2018 where it's sales were so low that the game was on sale on PSN for $8.00 in less than 5 months.
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
Oh fuck off with your shit. It deserves to crash and burn? People have devoted shitloads of their time and effort developing a game and you are wishing critical and commercial failure on them and their product because it doesn't fit in to your little perfect bubble of comfortability? Can the entitlement get any worse?
You want to see a consumer friendly business model? Wtf?! Every DLC is FREE! FUCKING FREE!! What else could your little self entitled ass want? You want the whole game for free? You want them to hand deliver it to you?
It's "gamers" like you that make the whole hobby seem like a joke. "Gamers" like you that project an air of shit which makes the rest of the world sit back and think that "gamers" are the worst group of hobbyists known to mankind. Get a grip buddy.
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Gray Rentable
Member
i bought BF3 BF4 and BF1. played all the battlefields in internet cafes growing up.
sad day.
sad day.
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
This.
I'm not saying ignore everything EA does, simply that if they charged for a season pass many on here would have that same argument of "selling half a game, splitting the community, nickle and dime" yet when they give free dlc, we see a new argument.
The glass will always be half empty to some, they don't want to see any of the good things some publishers do. Last time it was complain about season pass, now its about find something else to complain about. So its hard to take anyone seriously that move such massive goal post.
ickythingz
Banned
I find it interesting that you are so emotional over my right as a consumer to demand a certain level of quality and depth from a product I purchase. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate your existence if my opinion on a financial matter bothers you so much. Perhaps it is you who will need to examine the location of your head.
Drake
Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
A blunder by him, no, you don't say!
Do more research before you hot-take gaming journalists.
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The Mad Draklor
Member
Blunder by him and Mat Piscatella, too. I was right to be skeptical of him from the start.
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
It is because it is just so physically uncomfortable cringe to watch you defend your "right" as a consumer. For a certain level of quality? The game looks like it is a high budget triple A title, the quality will be there. Whether or not it fits into your subjectively determined definition of quality is another thing. Legally be expected that when you put the disk in the PS4 it will work, that covers your legal rights as a consumer.
The game will play fine and will be a shitload of good times for everyone else while you complain that this game isn't like the one released over a decade ago.