Hate speech codes are the most idiotic invention of the last century, especially since the people tasked with enforcing them are typically the ones that see themselves as the biggest victims of hate speech. Without exception, it inevitably ends up in a death spiral as everyone races to the bottom of the victim pile. I will never understand why you continue to defend Ree as though the moderators are simply good people with good intentions who have been led slightly astray. It's an authoritarian hellhole of a website and you are the victim of their delusional dictatorial fantasies.
I am also opposed to hate speech, but do not consider myself a regular victim of it - and I also happen to have a comparatively liberal view on what hate speech consitutes: i.e. it needs to be a serious remark and it should actually be an expression of complete rejection of a human or a group (so it is not sufficient to dislike or disrespect some property of the human, as long as you do not define the human or the group via this characteristic). It probably is true that people who are more often victims of hate speech are more sensitive to this and I agree that their voices should be considered with an additional emphasis to make sure you do not have a blind spot there. But of course it is not a good idea to give people who are possibly hypersensitive to that issue the power to decide what is and what is not hate speech on their own. A good indicator is that someone who cannot distinguish between a jab or a commedy programm and a personal attack is not fit for the job.
I think moderating hate speech is actually pretty difficult, though, which is probably the reason many decide to just not do it.
Bloody hell man, grow a spine. You were not the problem there and were being far too patient with that cunt excelsiorlef (ban me for the c word if you want, mods, but it's justified here).
I was asked why I was banned, so I stated the reason given to me. That I tend to be pretty nitpicky is not a far-fetched statement, I just think that this has nothing to do with minorities specifically and it is just my character (in fact, I have collided with many people on the current NeoGAF due to my nitpicky nature already, on the other side of the political spectrum). I did not want to evaluate the ban with that, lifa can decide on his own whether he agrees with the moderation.
I, as the banned person, am certainly not the right person to judge whether the ban is justified or not, but if I should, my statement would be: The given reason is true, yet I do not agree with the undertone I perceive that I specifically target minorities with my nitpickiness. I do not think this alone should suffice for exclusion from the community.
I am also opposed to hate speech, but do not consider myself a regular victim of it - and I also happen to have a comparatively liberal view on what hate speech consitutes: i.e. it needs to be a serious remark and it should actually be an expression of complete rejection of a human or a group (so it is not sufficient to dislike or disrespect some property of the human, as long as you do not define the human or the group via this characteristic). It probably is true that people who are more often victims of hate speech are more sensitive to this and I agree that their voices should be considered with an additional emphasis to make sure you do not have a blind spot there. But of course it is not a good idea to give people who are possibly hypersensitive to that issue the power to decide what is and what is not hate speech on their own. A good indicator is that someone who cannot distinguish between a jab or a commedy programm and a personal attack is not fit for the job.
I think moderating hate speech is actually pretty difficult, though, which is probably the reason many decide to just not do it.
One of the problems is that within a single group different factions have many different purposes for claiming hate speech, some of which directly fly in the face of what others are trying to accomplish.
Some people are trying to protect those without the power to help themselves while some are just trying to shush critics. Some people think they are trying to help others but subconsciously are doing it for purely selfish reasons, whereas some are genuinely trying to make the world a better place.
It makes for some fun questions that ... mostly get covered in philosophy 101. Still nice to see a digital manifestation of doing the "right thing" for all the wrong reasons and what it leads to.
I was asked why I was banned, so I stated the reason given to me. That I tend to be pretty nitpicky is not a far-fetched statement, I just think that this has nothing to do with minorities specifically and it is just my character (in fact, I have collided with many people on the current NeoGAF due to my nitpicky nature already, on the other side of the political spectrum). I did not want to evaluate the ban with that, lifa can decide on his own whether he agrees with the moderation.
I, as the banned person, am certainly not the right person to judge whether the ban is justified or not, but if I should, my statement would be: The given reason is true, yet I do not agree with the undertone I perceive that I specifically target minorities with my nitpickiness. I do not think this alone should suffice for exclusion from the community.
Being the person banned means you don't have standing to criticize the ban? Holy hell, get outta here.
Where as Nobody_Important is a complete zealot Era yes man, you just seem to be suffering from some light to moderate Stockholm Syndrome. Recovery is possible.
Being the person banned means you don't have standing to criticize the ban? Holy hell, get outta here.
Where as Nobody_Important is a complete zealot Era yes man, you just seem to be suffering from some light to moderate Stockholm Syndrome. Recovery is possible.
It is independent of Resetera. If one is affected oneself, one usually lacks the objectivity. It's also why I would never perform moderator actions because of misbehaviour against myself.
It is independent of Resetera. If one is affected oneself, one usually lacks the objectivity. It's also why I would never perform moderator actions because of misbehaviour against myself.
An update on this. They were initially quick to respond and fulfil my request. Until I noticed that they haven't actually fulfilled it and that they've merely altered my username. I can still log-in into my account, requests password recovery e-mails, my information still resides within their database, etc, the whole deal. (Side note: Their account renaming method is laughably inaccurate, it only updates the username record inside the user profile, it doesn't update thread ownership records, etc.)
So needless to say I've been trying to convince them they haven't done what they're required by law and agreed to do. As of this post they still refuse to delete my information and claim that they've uphold their responsibilities and fulfilled my request.
It is independent of Resetera. If one is affected oneself, one usually lacks the objectivity. It's also why I would never perform moderator actions because of misbehaviour against myself.
I decided to post at Resetera (and would still be doing, if I could) because:
1. There are a lot of great people there.
2. In principle I like that it is not wild west like other social media. I have said enough about where I think moderation would be well advised to be stricter or more lenient, but the core idea of prohibiting hatespeech to ensure every member feels welcome and can discuss on an even levelis a good one and I feel it is at the core of the idea behind Resetera. The execution is (significantly) less than perfect, from my perspective, but the idea is fine.
3. It is a very active games forum where all the latest news get posted immediately.
4. Niche interests like mine can be discussed there, because of the huge user base, without resorting specifically to a niche forum with all the issues that entails (tunnel vision, overboarding hype cycles, going from too uncritical to downright hateful and back).
Ok fair answer.
So what do you think about Neogaf? (this is no judgement on my part, just a genuine question).
I mean I can't really say that gaf is a free for all. It still has moderation but with enough flexibility for people to have a bit of fun and banter but it still has it's rules.
In regards to your niche interests. I would probably go a make threads about the topics I was interested in. You might not catch any fish at first but you gotta keep putting it out their.
Certain members are really putting some effort into getting topics going i.e IbizaPocholo. I think eventually when people realise you can be more flexible with your thought, the people you liked may well come over. It won't happen over night obviously but at the rate Ree bans people, I think you might get that sphere of people you enjoyed back.
I was asked why I was banned, so I stated the reason given to me. That I tend to be pretty nitpicky is not a far-fetched statement, I just think that this has nothing to do with minorities specifically and it is just my character (in fact, I have collided with many people on the current NeoGAF due to my nitpicky nature already, on the other side of the political spectrum). I did not want to evaluate the ban with that, lifa can decide on his own whether he agrees with the moderation.
I, as the banned person, am certainly not the right person to judge whether the ban is justified or not, but if I should, my statement would be: The given reason is true, yet I do not agree with the undertone I perceive that I specifically target minorities with my nitpickiness. I do not think this alone should suffice for exclusion from the community.
I think the only real person who should be the judge of the ban given to you is you.
I looked at what you posted. It wasn't demeaning or insulting. You were having a conversation with another person until a mod decided NO. You can't do that. I wonder what excelsiorlef thought about your ban.
To say the person thanked you for reaching out, I can't imagine excelsiorlef agreed with it.
Ok fair answer.
So what do you think about Neogaf? (this is no judgement on my part, just a genuine question).
I mean I can't really say that gaf is a free for all. It still has moderation but with enough flexibility for people to have a bit of fun and banter but it still has it's rules.
I think NeoGAF is currently slightly less strictly moderated than I would do it, but in dout it is probably better to be more lenient. Still, positions that are pretty hostile go unmoderated currently. Nevertheless, I cannot complain much about the moderation (the one point I had a big issue with I have already discussed and that was a case of too strict moderation). With NeoGAF currently the bigger issue is the user base which is pretty right leaning (which in itself is not a huge issue), and within the right leaning group, pretty far right mindsets are comparatively dominant. Which probably comes from the fact that the US' traditionally conservative party is leaning pretty far right at the moment. This is not a moderation issue per sé, but it is a reason why I think many minority groups may feel unwelcome.
In regards to your niche interests. I would probably go a make threads about the topics I was interested in. You might not catch any fish at first but you gotta keep putting it out their.
Certain members are really putting some effort into getting topics going i.e IbizaPocholo. I think eventually when people realise you can be more flexible with your thought, the people you liked may well come over. It won't happen over night obviously but at the rate Ree bans people, I think you might get that sphere of people you enjoyed back.
I will try being a bit more active in that regard, but since Nintendo has been pretty inactive lately, no new Sonic game is coming up, Rare is just making online stuff an Playtonic has nothing currently announced, my key interests do not make for good new topics currently.
I think the only real person who should be the judge of the ban given to you is you.
I looked at what you posted. It wasn't demeaning or insulting. You were having a conversation with another person until a mod decided NO. You can't do that. I wonder what excelsiorlef thought about your ban.
To say the person thanked you for reaching out, I can't imagine excelsiorlef agreed with it.
I do not think excelsiorlef was serious when she thanked me, please consider the remainder of the posting. I of course do not have proof for this (maybe Eexcelsiorlef
wants to comment on this?), but I would think she agrees with the ban and considered my posting transphobic. I am certain I did not intend it as such, so by that measure I think it is unjustified, but there is of course the sender / receiver issue always looming over communication, especially written communication.
2. In principle I like that it is not wild west like other social media. I have said enough about where I think moderation would be well advised to be stricter or more lenient, but the core idea of prohibiting hatespeech to ensure every member feels welcome and can discuss on an even levelis a good one and I feel it is at the core of the idea behind Resetera. The execution is (significantly) less than perfect, from my perspective, but the idea is fine.
So you would continue posting on ERA purely on principle because you like their core idea of (effectively) creating a safe space, despite knowing fully well that you will be subject to the same draconian policy that got you banned in the first place.
That does not add up, unless you are entertained by the idea that you could get banned any time, any day for completely harmless things, but hey, atleast they protected their safe space whilst doing so.
It has been suspected that this user is an alt for the user that got Yoshi banned. That being said, the same can be said for a few other Little Helpers who have very similar views and posting styles. But the aforementioned user has been implied to be the same user on sites like the Bore. And when the Bore says it, then it must be true. Obviously.
That user is the Elite Little Helper and the number 2 poster with the most posts and responsible for most of the reply-actions. Meaning, whoever replies to this user sees a significantly increased chance of getting banned. The banbot has a nice graph on this that visually highlights this in detail, but it bogs your browser down to a crawl so you will have to look this up yourself.
That user has been laying low lately so i reckon The Names had a chat with this user, but honestly, if there is one user on ERA not worth reasoning with, then this user might take the cake.
I think NeoGAF is currently slightly less strictly moderated than I would do it, but in dout it is probably better to be more lenient. Still, positions that are pretty hostile go unmoderated currently.
Nevertheless, I cannot complain much about the moderation (the one point I had a big issue with I have already discussed and that was a case of too strict moderation).
If it is what i think it is that you are referring to (Keene) then you couldn't be more further off if you paid attention. If anything that ban, as it turns out, was just the catalyst to a lot more questionable opinions being spewed.
I do not think excelsiorlef was serious when she thanked me, please consider the remainder of the posting. I of course do not have proof for this (maybe Eexcelsiorlef
wants to comment on this?), but I would think she agrees with the ban and considered my posting transphobic. I am certain I did not intend it as such, so by that measure I think it is unjustified, but there is of course the sender / receiver issue always looming over communication, especially written communication.
This user only wants to get everyone else banned. You wouldn't need this user's commentary for that, its not like you would get an confession on this anyways. Nor is that confession needed since the statistics, in this instance, don't lie.
Right, now that ive covered things here, let me tell this thread about a post so incredibly damning, i am putting it underneath two spoilers as a precaution. This user got a month ban, but its contents still remain visible for everyone to see, which involves rather detailed advice on... stuff.
Then there is also a WTF worthy post that as of yet has gone unactioned, with a user listing what this user has purchased since Trump got elected. Same as the above, under double spoilers.
The fact that in the first case the spiteful content remains in the open and in the second case it goes unpunished considering the WTFery The Names pull to get users axed, these two posts should serve as a reminder of the insanity that is hosted. Not all users are alike, but its downright worrysome that this stuff gets a pass. The first in particular is practically FBI-levels of wat.
Right, now that ive covered things here, let me tell this thread about a post so incredibly damning, i am putting it underneath two spoilers as a precaution. This user got a month ban, but its contents still remain visible for everyone to see, which involves rather detailed advice on... stuff.
Then there is also a WTF worthy post that as of yet has gone unactioned, with a user listing what this user has purchased since Trump got elected. Same as the above, under double spoilers.
The fact that in the first case the spiteful content remains in the open and in the second case it goes unpunished considering the WTFery The Names pull to get users axed, these two posts should serve as a reminder of the insanity that is hosted. Not all users are alike, but its downright worrysome that this stuff gets a pass. The first in particular is practically FBI-levels of wat.
So you would continue posting on ERA purely on principle because you like their core idea of (effectively) creating a safe space, despite knowing fully well that you will be subject to the same draconian policy that got you banned in the first place.
That does not add up, unless you are entertained by the idea that you could get banned any time, any day for completely harmless things, but hey, atleast they protected their safe space whilst doing so.
Well, as long as moderation is as strict as it is rigt now, I would probably post there, but not on anything else but video games. I like the idea of making a civilised space (not a safe space, which basically allows all kind of critical discourse), but I was losing all fun on discussions outside of games when my bible reading thread was put in jeopardy with a previous ban. I probably should have stayed out of it right there and then.
I do report them and I have discussed examples in the past. I am not here to call out other users though, I am not a moderator, so I'd feel that would be unwarranted.
If it is what i think it is that you are referring to (Keene) then you couldn't be more further off if you paid attention. If anything that ban, as it turns out, was just the catalyst to a lot more questionable opinions being spewed.
This user only wants to get everyone else banned. You wouldn't need this user's commentary for that, its not like you would get an confession on this anyways. Nor is that confession needed since the statistics, in this instance, don't lie.
This is really pretty difficult to judge. It looks like it, but since excelsiorlef is no moderator and I have not seen her advocate for banning people, I can't say with certainty. Afterall, she might just be really combative and likes to take a verbal fight. I do feel, however, that she tends to post in a very aggressive and reductive way.
Right, now that ive covered things here, let me tell this thread about a post so incredibly damning, i am putting it underneath two spoilers as a precaution. This user got a month ban, but its contents still remain visible for everyone to see, which involve rather detailed advice for minorities to arm themselves.
OK, this should definitely have been a perm. This is outright advocating for murder, not just killing, but outright civil war rhethorics. At least in Germany, but likely also in the US, we are talking illegal contents in this very post. The psychological warfare behind killing people, I cannot believe someone actually thought this was OK to post.
Even a comedian would have had a hard time coming up feeling offended over that or not getting the common phrase, let alone doubling down on it. This does open doors though, as this essentially proves you can even get offended on things that have no place in getting offended over.
''As easy as shooting fish in a barrel''
''That is oppression right there buddy, the fish can't escape the barrel when it is shot into it and therefore it will be limited in its movements, similar to how slaves were oppressed. You are advocating slavery here, fuck outta here with that. Not a good look.''
Well, as long as moderation is as strict as it is rigt now, I would probably post there, but not on anything else but video games. I like the idea of making a civilised space (not a safe space, which basically allows all kind of critical discourse), but I was losing all fun on discussions outside of games when my bible reading thread was put in jeopardy with a previous ban. I probably should have stayed out of it right there and then.
... You are literally describing Stockholm's Syndrome here. Posting on Games won't protect you from certain assumptions, and if you think you could circumvent that by not posting in Etcetera, you would be very mistaken.
I am just going to say that his ban was justified after doubling down on this weird pedo-protection angle he is on, along with complaints on GAF, all on Voat. Not going to name his username though, you can figure that out for yourself considering you are long time friends.
This is really pretty difficult to judge. It looks like it, but since excelsiorlef is no moderator and I have not seen her advocate for banning people, I can't say with certainty.
. How is this difficult to judge when there is a damn graph visually highlighting how many socalled ''reply-actions'' this user's posts get when people like yourself reply to this user? You want to know the origins of the ''MadMaxThatsBait.gif''? This user is the originator of it. You don't need to literally advocate to ban others, when you can achieve the same result in a legal fashion by just baiting people with rhetorical questioning and call outs combined with the most aggressive user behavior you have seen this side of Sunday.
Its genius when you think about it. Its also completely obvious when you see it.
OK, this should definitely have been a perm. This is outright advocating for murder, not just killing, but outright civil war rhethorics. At least in Germany, but likely also in the US, we are talking illegal contents in this very post. The psychological warfare behind killing people, I cannot believe someone actually thought this was OK to post.
By comparison: Saying you are going to buy CyberPunk2077 regardless of their offensive tweet is equally worth a month ban. Think about that for a moment. Advocating to buy a game is equally punishable as straight up advocating for bloodbaths.
There is a reason i threw that under multiple spoilers as a precaution because its that vile. Really, if you need anyone to explain the moral compass of The Names, just show that post and remind that person that this content is still open for everyone to see.
Even a comedian would have had a hard time coming up feeling offended over that or not getting the common phrase, let alone doubling down on it. This does open doors though, as this essentially proves you can even get offended on things that have no place in getting offended over.
''As easy as shooting fish in a barrel''
''That is oppression right there buddy, the fish can't escape the barrel when it is shot into it and therefore it will be limited in its movements, similar to how slaves were oppressed. You are advocating slavery here, fuck outta here with that. Not a good look.''
I also find it kind of terrifying how incredibly easy it is to emulate/envision their posting styles. Obviously, i am performing a parody here, but its rather offputting when you realize that certain people on ERA literally think and react this way.
I think NeoGAF is currently slightly less strictly moderated than I would do it, but in dout it is probably better to be more lenient. Still, positions that are pretty hostile go unmoderated currently. Nevertheless, I cannot complain much about the moderation (the one point I had a big issue with I have already discussed and that was a case of too strict moderation). With NeoGAF currently the bigger issue is the user base which is pretty right leaning (which in itself is not a huge issue), and within the right leaning group, pretty far right mindsets are comparatively dominant. Which probably comes from the fact that the US' traditionally conservative party is leaning pretty far right at the moment. This is not a moderation issue per sé, but it is a reason why I think many minority groups may feel unwelcome.
Something you have to keep in mind about right and left leaning folks atm. Everyone has their back up against the wall. We've been slagging each other off for the past few years in a more focused way. (personally i'm gong to blame the media for this but that's another topic).
Well before 2010, we had right and left on Gaf (more left i guess but far less militant). Their was no regressive left or alt right. People would argue about topics but It was more focused on smaller issues. It always seemed to me that right and left agreed on the vast majority of topics.
Today it's all been blown wide open. Everyone is almost expected to take a side or have a view on something. Games, films and comics are almost used political stances (which is really wired to me).
I will try being a bit more active in that regard, but since Nintendo has been pretty inactive lately, no new Sonic game is coming up, Rare is just making online stuff an Playtonic has nothing currently announced, my key interests do not make for good new topics currently.
I do not think excelsiorlef was serious when she thanked me, please consider the remainder of the posting. I of course do not have proof for this (maybe Eexcelsiorlef
wants to comment on this?), but I would think she agrees with the ban and considered my posting transphobic. I am certain I did not intend it as such, so by that measure I think it is unjustified, but there is of course the sender / receiver issue always looming over communication, especially written communication.
What you wrote was fine. You've said yourself you weren't being transphobic. These people aren't better than you or below you. Their just other people. You were having a chat about issue around a sensitive nature. Yea no shit certain people are going to get rattled. It comes with the territory.
This doesn't come down to rule breaking. It comes down to someone getting upset by a complete stranger asking or saying something.
Attempting to have these conversations with people who have little control over their emotions isn't going to work. Try to breach open a topic that can't go anywhere without upsetting someone is pointless and tbh, really patronising to people that do want to have these conversations in an in depth manner.
These aren't people who are accepting and welcoming under the guise of of being progressive. Their pseudo intellectuals that are probably doing more damage by not acknowledging and interacting with other people with a different POV.
Go into the lgbt thread here and ask questions or bring things forward. The rules are set as a base standard. Peoples emotions are their own business and it should be up to them to monitor, control and grow.
That user is the Elite Little Helper and the number 2 poster with the most posts and responsible for most of the reply-actions. Meaning, whoever replies to this user sees a significantly increased chance of getting banned. The banbot has a nice graph on this that visually highlights this in detail, but it bogs your browser down to a crawl so you will have to look this up yourself.
That user has been laying low lately so i reckon The Names had a chat with this user, but honestly, if there is one user on ERA not worth reasoning with, then this user might take the cake.
It's almost as if she is doing what the admins want from her. To press so hard on certain issues that others can't help but argue with her at which point they are inevitably banished for disagreeing with the "correct opinion".
I mean... cult is a really mean word and I don't like using it. I just lack a better term for the behaviors those who run the site engage in. Enforced groupthink? Eh.... maybe if I hadn't seen how much pressure they apply to members in private chats.
Problematic for who? The Names are happy as a peacock with it. For the banbot, its just a quantifiable statistic and it highlights which users you should typically avoid if you want to keep your account save.
Useless trivia: The number one poster is never mentioned as a Little Helper or being a member of The Names. That user is the definition of a plain Jane.
It's almost as if she is doing what the admins want from her. To press so hard on certain issues that others can't help but argue with her at which point they are inevitably banished for disagreeing with the "correct opinion".
Why do you think i name those users Little Helpers? That user isn't the only one, by far though - There is a core group of users who are more or less dedicated to reeling people into a ban or at the very least discuss with really bad intent.
I mean... cult is a really mean word and I don't like using it. I just lack a better term for the behaviors those who run the site engage in. Enforced groupthink? Eh.... maybe if I hadn't seen how much pressure they apply to members in private chats.
I'd really love some annotated and edited excerpts of this. Maybe its time to spill those beans, same with Blam
, albeit always edited as such so it does not contain any references or traces to users - The intent is not to dox users, but to expose the more inner workings, the behind-the-scenes if you will.
I mean... cult is a really mean word and I don't like using it. I just lack a better term for the behaviors those who run the site engage in. Enforced groupthink? Eh.... maybe if I hadn't seen how much pressure they apply to members in private chats.
I'd really love some annotated and edited excerpts of this. Maybe its time to spill those beans, same with @Blam, albeit always edited as such so it does not contain any references or traces to users - The intent is not to dox users, but to expose the more inner workings, the behind-the-scenes if you will.
I spilled the beans but just in the kitchen sink, and I left it for a few months, I'll do a better job this time, and more publicly. I was the first 3 bans on the site so it's fair enough.
I'll say that when you but depressed people in isolated situations they are far more easily manipulated than they would be otherwise. The more isolated the groups, the more easily members can be convinced to think things they wouldn't if they had a variety of people talking to them. People who are making thoughts they wouldn't under normal circumstances can often make actions they would usually consider foolish... and stuff only spirals out of control from there.
The fact that excelsiorlef is the posterchild for ban baiting is no coincidence.
I don't like saying things I am not certain of. It just always struck me as surprising how high a %age of the important people on that site are trans. I adored the idea when the site first opened, but as time went on the way the site ran just seemed strange. After my permban (first ban ever on the site, I was talking relationship problems and shouldn't have been) people started acting strangely hostile towards me. In the coming months I found that rumors had spread through all the discord chats I had frequented and I lost legitimately dozens of friends. When I'd try to join the chats to talk I'd get repeatedly kicked for no reason that I could discern, until I finally convinced one of them to insult me in a way that said what I had supposedly done. It was funny, because the only thing that was deleted from the chat was my link about the study of parents who are surprised when their children join isolated communities and all end up with significant gender dysphoria, end up fighting even the most supportive of families, and end up depressed after they break away from those who they believed were holding them back from happiness.
Meh. Maybe saying these things makes me transphobic? I mean, I literally have a phobia of trans individuals because of shit that has happened. When I entered one of my old favorite chats I got repeatedly told off by a member who admitted they only joined to attack me because they have heard so much. They said they never used that chat and they didn't care how long I had been a member, they just kept attacking me and wouldn't even tell me why. At a certain point I got a notion in my head, and asked if they were trans. They said yes, and didn't see what that mattered. Yo, how the fuck am I guessing that you are trans just because you are flipping shit at me over nothing after I got removed from your community? How the fuck did I guess that?
I'll say that when you but depressed people in isolated situations they are far more easily manipulated than they would be otherwise. The more isolated the groups, the more easily members can be convinced to think things they wouldn't if they had a variety of people talking to them. People who are making thoughts they wouldn't under normal circumstances can often make actions they would usually consider foolish... and stuff only spirals out of control from there.
The fact that excelsiorlef is the posterchild for ban baiting is no coincidence.
I don't like saying things I am not certain of. It just always struck me as surprising how high a %age of the important people on that site are trans. I adored the idea when the site first opened, but as time went on the way the site ran just seemed strange. After my permban (first ban ever on the site, I was talking relationship problems and shouldn't have been) people started acting strangely hostile towards me. In the coming months I found that rumors had spread through all the discord chats I had frequented and I lost legitimately dozens of friends. When I'd try to join the chats to talk I'd get repeatedly kicked for no reason that I could discern, until I finally convinced one of them to insult me in a way that said what I had supposedly done. It was funny, because the only thing that was deleted from the chat was my link about the study of parents who are surprised when their children join isolated communities and all end up with significant gender dysphoria, end up fighting even the most supportive of families, and end up depressed after they break away from those who they believed were holding them back from happiness.
Meh. Maybe saying these things makes me transphobic? I mean, I literally have a phobia of trans individuals because of shit that has happened. When I entered one of my old favorite chats I got repeatedly told off by a member who admitted they only joined to attack me because they have heard so much. They said they never used that chat and they didn't care how long I had been a member, they just kept attacking me and wouldn't even tell me why. At a certain point I got a notion in my head, and asked if they were trans. They said yes, and didn't see what that mattered. Yo, how the fuck am I guessing that you are trans just because you are flipping shit at me over nothing after I got removed from your community? How the fuck did I guess that?
Yeah i had mentioned something like this before too. There's "transera" people, and there's actual trans people on era, and both of them act so much different it's sorta insane.
The "transera" people are literally calling themselves trans because they want to, they are not trans probably not gay, or bisexual. And do nothing at all to show themselves as trans. They most likely only do it to not be a outcast in the eyes of ERA.
It's disgusting and I wish they'd not do that, but "shrug" it's some dumb shit over there.
Yeah i had mentioned something like this before too. There's "transera" people, and there's actual trans people on era, and both of them act so much different it's sorta insane.
The "transera" people are literally calling themselves trans because they want to, they are not trans probably not gay, or bisexual. And do nothing at all to show themselves as trans. They most likely only do it to not be a outcast in the eyes of ERA.
It's disgusting and I wish they'd not do that, but "shrug" it's some dumb shit over there.
The worst part is the real world repercussions. This mindset can do some disgusting things to families. My best friend had something happen years earlier to his then nephew and I thought he was insane. People dont act that way when they transition, right? Maybe the parents (who were known for being liberal as hell) were bad at dealing with the situation I thought.
The similarities are too much. The depression leading to a very insular community leading to simultaneous dysphoria for the entire group leading to loathing of everyone not part of said in group?
There are too many similar accounts from parents and families online. Too many people asking for help to escape this for themselves.
If this is just hatemongering then why does it link up so well with what I, and others I know, have experienced? Call me a liar if you want, just tell me where my logic falls apart. I was pretty hardcore with the era mindset til I dealt with all this. To call it a bitter pill would be a tragic understatement.
Did I mention that this all happened to my first love, somebody who I had shared tags with on this site for years? I even respect that she is trans which makes the whole situation even more frustrating. Getting in deep with a cult will still fuck you even (perhaps moreso?) if you legitimately need the help the group claims to provide. I can't trust a word she says to this day. This shift in personality was directly linked with her talking (to an obsessive degree)to other individuals who are very influential with the site. I thought that it was good she was making new friends and so I didn't interfere, since she had moved in with me she had difficulties making any friends so I was happy for her. The progression was tough for me to see as my ERA-mindset had me thinking the problems were on me for being too judgmental. It's only when removed from the situation can I see how unreasonable she was acting towards my family and myself.
Sorry if my thoughts seem disconnected, I still am having difficulty processing everything that happened. Its only recently that it has all started to make sense to me and words can not describe the emotions I feel towards those at the heart of this community.
I'll now remind everyone of the fact that said community has made legal threats towards me, and add that this happened when I was trying to get my ex to leave my house after I lent her a spare room because the trans community who she had been a part of kicked her out because she got sick when she moved in with them (no I can't make this shit up but she's the source so take THAT with a grain of salt) but she was so fucking insufferable I legitimately thought she was trying to kill me. She eventually demanded an eviction notice which is surprisingly difficult to acquire in my area especially given the lack of any initial paperwork.
I wish I was using hyperbole throughout all this, if anything I'm understating it. She'd cut herself then cover the guitar I had bought her for the previous Christmas with the blood. She'd steal from me then use Aladdin's behavior as justification no I am not joking I eventually started recording this shit. It's legitimately fucking mind boggling.
*Edit*
Oh it's probably having the only person I ever trusted change to a person I didn't even recognize over the course of a year that makes me think the whole thing is a cult. That would explain my feelings rather well I suppose. I just don't like talking about it because it seems too insane to be real even having experienced it directly with my best friend going through a similar experience.
I was waiting for you guys to post this. The moment I saw that he finally caught a ban for his not so subtle bullshit I knew someone would post it here lol
I was waiting for you guys to post this. The moment I saw that he finally caught a ban for his not so subtle bullshit I knew someone would post it here lol
I was waiting for you guys to post this. The moment I saw that he finally caught a ban for his not so subtle bullshit I knew someone would post it here lol
In all fairness you were the only one to quote the poster. It seems you are more excited about it being posted here than any of "us".
On the other hand you have every right to do a sort of meta commentary on the thread given the subject matter. It just makes sense to have somebody like yourself involved.
In all fairness you were the only one to quote the poster. It seems you are more excited about it being posted here than any of "us".
On the other hand you have every right to do a sort of meta commentary on the thread given the subject matter. It just makes sense to have somebody like yourself involved.
Can't hate on that. I think somebody on Bore posted it earlier as well. All I can say is that's one of those bans that needs a bit more context than some others.
Perhaps the healthier behavior would be to not assume that when somebody says something about a group that includes me that they are talking directly to me but who the fuck wants to make reasonable decisions that help maintain sanity? I'm as mad as Hell and I'm not going to take this any more!
I was waiting for you guys to post this. The moment I saw that he finally caught a ban for his not so subtle bullshit I knew someone would post it here lol
I only saw him post a positive thread about the economy prior to this. In that thread he was attacked for making other positive economy threads by people going through his post history.
Is there something else he has been posting that qualifies as "bullshit" since I don't follow too closely?
The worst part is the real world repercussions. This mindset can do some disgusting things to families. My best friend had something happen years earlier to his then nephew and I thought he was insane. People dont act that way when they transition, right? Maybe the parents (who were known for being liberal as hell) were bad at dealing with the situation I thought.
The similarities are too much. The depression leading to a very insular community leading to simultaneous dysphoria for the entire group leading to loathing of everyone not part of said in group?
There are too many similar accounts from parents and families online. Too many people asking for help to escape this for themselves.
If this is just hatemongering then why does it link up so well with what I, and others I know, have experienced? Call me a liar if you want, just tell me where my logic falls apart. I was pretty hardcore with the era mindset til I dealt with all this. To call it a bitter pill would be a tragic understatement.
Did I mention that this all happened to my first love, somebody who I had shared tags with on this site for years? I even respect that she is trans which makes the whole situation even more frustrating. Getting in deep with a cult will still fuck you even (perhaps moreso?) if you legitimately need the help the group claims to provide. I can't trust a word she says to this day. This shift in personality was directly linked with her talking (to an obsessive degree)to other individuals who are very influential with the site. I thought that it was good she was making new friends and so I didn't interfere, since she had moved in with me she had difficulties making any friends so I was happy for her. The progression was tough for me to see as my ERA-mindset had me thinking the problems were on me for being too judgmental. It's only when removed from the situation can I see how unreasonable she was acting towards my family and myself.
Sorry if my thoughts seem disconnected, I still am having difficulty processing everything that happened. Its only recently that it has all started to make sense to me and words can not describe the emotions I feel towards those at the heart of this community.
I'll now remind everyone of the fact that said community has made legal threats towards me, and add that this happened when I was trying to get my ex to leave my house after I lent her a spare room because the trans community who she had been a part of kicked her out because she got sick when she moved in with them (no I can't make this shit up but she's the source so take THAT with a grain of salt) but she was so fucking insufferable I legitimately thought she was trying to kill me. She eventually demanded an eviction notice which is surprisingly difficult to acquire in my area especially given the lack of any initial paperwork.
I wish I was using hyperbole throughout all this, if anything I'm understating it. She'd cut herself then cover the guitar I had bought her for the previous Christmas with the blood. She'd steal from me then use Aladdin's behavior as justification no I am not joking I eventually started recording this shit. It's legitimately fucking mind boggling.
*Edit*
Oh it's probably having the only person I ever trusted change to a person I didn't even recognize over the course of a year that makes me think the whole thing is a cult. That would explain my feelings rather well I suppose. I just don't like talking about it because it seems too insane to be real even having experienced it directly with my best friend going through a similar experience.
I only saw him post a positive thread about the economy prior to this. In that thread he was attacked for making other positive economy threads by people going through his post history.
Is there something else he has been posting that qualifies as "bullshit" since I don't follow too closely?
RogerK is a known Trump shill and has been ever since he got there. But that's not why he was banned.
He posted that thread as an obvious "see something bad happens and minorities start looting" thread even though that is clearly not what was happening and it was transparent as hell. And it's not the first time that he has made a thread with a transparent ulterior motive. THAT is why he got banned. But I know people here will paint it as him getting banned for supporting Trump. I just found it funny that I saw the ban and thought "well gaf is gonna love that" and I was right.
RogerK is a known Trump shill and has been ever since he got there. But that's not why he was banned.
He posted that thread as an obvious "see something bad happens and minorities start looting" thread even though that is clearly not what was happening and it was transparent as hell. And it's not the first time that he has made a thread with a transparent ulterior motive. THAT is why he got banned. But I know people here will paint it as him getting banned for supporting Trump. I just found it funny that I saw the ban and thought "well gaf is gonna love that" and I was right.
Yeah it was pretty lame watching the only person I felt ever understood me and literally a decade's worth of friends collectively turn their backs on me.
Pretty lame.
I guess the positive is that I chill with my local friends more frequently and have been going out to more local events. Oh, and I've got a good excuse whenever people ask why the posters here care about what happens on ERA.
I would like to say that it seems ERA successfully deleted my account. It says my account "can't be found" if I try signing in. Feels good to be away from that toxic, stressful place.
I basically followed their rules to a T. I'm not even in the EU so as much as I dislike the website I thank them for following through with my request. I read their privacy policy and made the the request to see my personal data first (just how they ask you to make the request in their privacy policy), then made the second request to have that personal data (along with my account) deleted, supplying my e-mail with quotes from the privacy policy so that my request was completely in line with it. It took some time but eventually my account seems to have been totally wiped. So thanks for that at least, ERA.
banned? Shes been thread making every second of the day so much so i was begging to suspect something was up with that person and thier pointless threads
