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Yoshi said:
If you mean nothing else but touching the child to get its attention then yes, this is not child abuse, but neither is it corporal punishment nor is it corrective beyond correcting the focus of attention.
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That's a corrective tap for you. Glad you didn't retract your accusation, by the way. Classy. Especially when i haven't reiterated my personal stance on this.

Yoshi said:
When talking about the topic of corporal punishment, what sense does it make to bring up touching your child to bring its attention to you? That's just absurd and considering the specific examples discussed, e.g. spanking the butt, we are clearly talking corporal punishment and my sole claim is that all forms of corporal punishment are child abuse.
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I don't know, i had this strange assumption that explaining the difference and even giving it an alternative name to specify the difference would be more than enough to make up for it. Ofcourse, i was not prepared for the situation where i had to be absolutely literal on everything here or it just gets misinterpreted (Even though it was quite obvious that i was making a difference, but alas)

Yoshi said:
touching your child to get its attention, even if you want to then go on and punish it (in any way) is not corporal punishment (though if you punish it in a corporal way after getting the attention, that part is of course child abuse.
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Yeah, but that's not what i was talking about.

Yoshi said:
Since we were talking about a poster who specifically gave the examples of spanking the butt and hitting with a flat hand and you insinuated the user may just mean a corrective tap by this,
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Because in a later post he referred to spanking the butt, which is an outdated mechanism, but its something of a lesser (Relatively) evil than full on hitting what he previously referred to. Therefore i had to present this view as it seemed to me the user was not aware of the implications of his words.

Yoshi said:
you go even further and call the example of bum slapping yourself:

That's child abuse and is not a good way of getting attention.
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Its an outdated mechanic, yes.
 
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Cunth said:
RedMercury straight in there with the 'Racism = Prejudice + Power'
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What always cracks me up about that BS definition, is that if you read between the lines of that phrase, it is implying EVERYONE IS RACIST. Yet those who spew it, only try and apply it to whites.

Considering that every ethnicity on this planet, has a controlling prejudice + power in the native lands. And they sure love to use, "sins of our fathers" amirite?
 
More fun.

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I'm sure these people are more than happy to be bullied into apologizing for their vote at your beck and call.

Instead of bullying people because their candidate won how about you doing more to ensure your candidates win. It would be a much more constructive use of energy.
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I don't give a FUCK whether or not people like you ever come to my side, Trump supporters which you clearly are, or feel like your fee fees are being hurt because your being called out for being the rotten pieces of shit that you are because you're more than happy to throw minorities under he bus for a wall or a few more cents in your paycheck.

I can multitask asshole. I can call you out for being human garbage while also helping my candidates win, you know the candidates who aren't the scum of the earth?

I "bully" these people because they fucking deserve it for being monsters, not because their orange avatar won the election.
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The guy with the incredibly hostile post is not warned or banned. Not surprising since he is one of the usual nut jobs. The guy from the first quote is banned for "History of concern trolling across sensitive topics".

https://www.resetera.com/posts/14029128/
 
A pro-woman post gets you banned on Resetera. Has hell frozen over?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ho...as-a-huge-racism-problem.76181/#post-14038190
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Unfortunately, it turns out women are actually lower on the oppression olympics. A woman can abort her baby, but if she dares whiten her skins....

"SHE'S A NAZI FASCIST RACIST OMG HITLER IS BACK 1939 ALL OVER AGAIN!"
 
So if the warning list isn't shown, and we can't browse a person's warning history post-ban, we can't really comment on the "history of similar infractions" bans as being concocted from nothing.

The ban posts themselves might seem unworthy, but a long history of similar posts could should a pattern of disruption that justifies action of some kind.

matt404au said:
On a slightly related note, why do some bans show the offending posts and others don't? For example, it would be nice to know what Enygger_Tzu Enygger_Tzu said to get banned.
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Could be they were banned for another post they made before or after.
 
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Redneckerz said:
That's a corrective tap for you. Glad you didn't retract your accusation, by the way. Classy. Especially when i haven't reiterated my personal stance on this.
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If you exclusively meant touching to gain attention instead of punishing, then I agree you were not adovating for child abuse there, but I am at a loss as to why bring it up when discussing a posting where the poster clearly talks about physical discipline. Because merely touching someone is not disciplining the person.
Redneckerz said:
I don't know, i had this strange assumption that explaining the difference and even giving it an alternative name to specify the difference would be more than enough to make up for it. Ofcourse, i was not prepared for the situation where i had to be absolutely literal on everything here or it just gets misinterpreted (Even though it was quite obvious that i was making a difference, but alas)
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To my understanding your difference was merely "physical punishment that is not vindictive and uses lesser force, e.g. 'mild' butt slamming" vs. "beating that sucker". It was supported by your examples you gave in the posting you introduced it, the posting you were trying to excuse with this talk and your reaction to my given examples (I specifically said a boss spanking the butt of the employee, so it would have been a good point to point out that you were just talking about touching a child to get its attention, in which case it might be strange, but nothing horrible for a boss to do. In fact two of the three bosses I have had so far have already touched me at some occasion to draw my attention to something and I do not think this was inappropiate behaviour). If you bring up something completely off topic and with a name that does not make much sense (what is corrective about touching someone to gain his attention?) a bit more care would be appreciated. But yes, I repeat, if this is what you meant, this is not advocating child abuse.
Redneckerz said:
Because in a later post he referred to spanking the butt, which is an outdated mechanism, but its something of a lesser (Relatively) evil than full on hitting what he previously referred to. Therefore i had to present this view as it seemed to me the user was not aware of the implications of his words.
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It is still child abuse. I mean, there are worse forms of child abuse, but that does not make it not child abuse.
Redneckerz said:
Its an outdated mechanic, yes.
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It is not merely outdated. It is and has always been child abuse. It is a form of child abuse that was socially tolerated and executed by a majority 50 years ago, but still child abuse.
 
Era loves us: https://www.resetera.com/posts/14056243/

supermassiveblackhole said:
So if the warning list isn't shown, and we can't browse a person's warning history post-ban, we can't really comment on the "history of similar infractions" bans as being concocted from nothing.

The ban posts themselves might seem unworthy, but a long history of similar posts could should a pattern of disruption that justifies action of some kind.



Could be they were banned for another post they made before or after.
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You don't even have to be banned for a post. As I've explained before I was stealth permabanned for "abusing the reports system". "Abuse" == reporting aggressive hateful shit posted by people on the left, and making note of the double standard in some of the reports. This was considered trolling the mods or some such shit.

And yeah, the "history of similar infractions" bullshit seems like it has just become boiler plate to tack on when the ban reason and/or ban post are weak on their own. Just to add some weight to it.
 
prag16 said:
Era loves us: https://www.resetera.com/posts/14056243/


You don't even have to be banned for a post. As I've explained before I was stealth permabanned for "abusing the reports system". "Abuse" == reporting aggressive hateful shit posted by people on the left, and making note of the double standard in some of the reports. This was considered trolling the mods or some such shit.

And yeah, the "history of similar infractions" bullshit seems like it has just become boiler plate to tack on when the ban reason and/or ban post are weak on their own. Just to add some weight to it.
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That's your example, and we all have no way of knowing the exact content of your reports. So we have no actual evidence but your word here. But your case is not the same as history of infractions anyway, it's something else.

My point is there is no way to truly judge this kind of thing, and we have PLENTY of actual examples that don't require making assumptions etc... to call out Era for.
 
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I'm all for giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, but having faith in something about Era... I dont think it's worth.

I think you can think as bad and as negative as you want about Era, and still be right. The most incredible things beyond the common sense can happen there
 
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Whitecrow said:
I'm all for giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, but having faith in something about Era... I dont think it's worth.

I think you can think as bad and as negative as you want about Era, and still be right. The most incredible things beyond the common sense can happen there
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I think we should rely on evidence and not conjecture, as with all things. But if you're comfy just calling it based on what we have you're more than welcome to.
 
prag16 said:
With shit like this staring you right in the face: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...eep-it-in-here.1462647/page-94#post-253519493

Sure, give them the benefit of the doubt if you want to. Have fun with that.
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Sorry, but I prefer to base my opinion on evidence not conjecture. That one example is not evidence enough to call all cases of "history of similar" as baseless. And there's plenty of evidence of actual obvious examples that we don't need to use conjecture to fuel this thread.
 
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You are trying too hard to be correct.

Era is constantly proving how fascists they are in relation to morals and ideas.
How many more trees do you need to see a forest?
 
supermassiveblackhole said:
No, I'm not, I'm just not interested in basing opinion on conjecture. If you're happy being that lazy, be my guest.
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Mate, the only one being lazy here is you. Everyone else can see the issues through actual evidence, but you handwave it off and call it "conjecture" and expect others to do the heavy lifting for you. It is just sad at this point.
 
Claus Grimhildyr said:
Mate, the only one being lazy here is you. Everyone else can see the issues through actual evidence, but you handwave it off and call it "conjecture" and expect others to do the heavy lifting for you. It is just sad at this point.
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Who said I'm expecting anyone to do lifting of any kind?

I'm saying basing opinion on conjecture is lazy, which it is. Feel free to try to make excuses about that if you want.
 
You are literally closing your eyes to all the evidences in order to show us how correct and superior you are.
That is starting to stink.
 
Whitecrow said:
You are literally closing your eyes to all the evidences in order to show us how correct and superior you are.
That is starting to stink.
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No shit. His reaction to my description of my permaban was, "well obviously the content of your reports must have been worse than you're letting on". Era gets the benefit of the doubt, despite an entire thread here (and ban aggregator) chronicling their fuckery.
 
prag16 said:
No shit. His reaction to my description of my permaban was, "well obviously the content of your reports must have been worse than you're letting on". Era gets the benefit of the doubt, despite an entire thread here (and ban aggregator) chronicling their fuckery.
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No. There's a tonne of actual evidence of things, and then a bunch of conjecture.

The Ban aggregator doesn't track warnings, and there's no way to view a person's history post-ban, so the "history of similar" warnings/bans literally cannot be investigated. All we have is anecdotes, and mostly from people who have been banned so forgive me if I don't see them as a fully trustworthy source.

I'd love to see be able to see more here, if anyone has something I can actually look at I'll gladly do it.
 
prag16 said:
No shit. His reaction to my description of my permaban was, "well obviously the content of your reports must have been worse than you're letting on". Era gets the benefit of the doubt, despite an entire thread here (and ban aggregator) chronicling their fuckery.
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So this guy is an Era Apologist then?
 
Yoshi said:
If you exclusively meant touching to gain attention instead of punishing, then I agree you were not adovating for child abuse there, but I am at a loss as to why bring it up when discussing a posting where the poster clearly talks about physical discipline. Because merely touching someone is not disciplining the person.
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I literally brought this up in the post before and i am not going to repeat myself here.

Yoshi said:
It is still child abuse. I mean, there are worse forms of child abuse, but that does not make it not child abuse.
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Yoshi, you don't have to act like i am clueless. Also disappointed that you don't retract your original accusation.

Yoshi said:
It is not merely outdated. It is and has always been child abuse. It is a form of child abuse that was socially tolerated and executed by a majority 50 years ago, but still child abuse.
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Again, par for the course.

Looking forward to your examples about earlier by the way.

prag16 said:
Era loves us: https://www.resetera.com/posts/14056243/
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Cute that individual members rely on one sub-forum and October 2017 to jump to a conclusion and condemn all of GAF. Ofcourse, i don't expect any dialogue from these people, thus it is a shame. I still hold the naive opinion that ERA and GAF could work together, but alas, generalizations are the main stay of the arguments presented there.

supermassiveblackhole said:
Sorry, but I prefer to base my opinion on evidence not conjecture. That one example is not evidence enough to call all cases of "history of similar" as baseless. And there's plenty of evidence of actual obvious examples that we don't need to use conjecture to fuel this thread.
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There is the banbot that can highlight if there is a history for similar and throughout this thread you find many examples. Some are blatantly obvious though.

I could present some examples, but if i wanted to act corny, i could also just tell you to Google it.
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It is what you will though, id rather have you take a peek in this thread first before we go out of the way to provide examples - I mean, this whole thread is one giant example by itself for a big part.
 
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I have a question then. I won't go and look and provide the site with clicks.

Did they ever had the person or people who Doxxed that Cyberpunk employee? I honestly don't know and asking out of curiosity. Anyone here know?
 
Redneckerz said:
Yoshi, you don't have to act like i am clueless. Also disappointed that you don't retract your original accusation.
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What accusation do you mean other than advocating for child abuse which I did retract conditionally: If you exclusively mean touching to gain attention and in no way, shape or form a slap, then you did not do that.
 
Yoshi said:
What accusation do you mean other than advocating for child abuse which I did retract conditionally:
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I didn't see the ''I retract my statement accusing you of advocating child abuse and i apologize that the accusation was made'' anywhere.
 
This will be a fun thread especially after this

I hope they do. Then they also need to ban Dragon Quest XI, the Last Night and Kingdom Come Deliverance as well as many other titles in the future. This site claims to be incredibly left leaning, and we should start owning up to that. There is no real discussion to be had about these games that are made with KEY members on the team being outed as abhorrent. Yes, I get these are sizable teams of people and no, not every last member of the team is a bad person. But when people who have a key role in making large, sweeping choices about their team's work and efforts etc; then we need to not show them support for not changing and removing them. We need to stand up for our brothers and sisters on here. Their feelings and support are more important than a game, no matter how good.

I'm just sick at this point of seeing comments like "I can separate the art from the artist", "that sucks, maybe I'll just get it on sale then", "Stop talking about that, we're trying to discuss the GAME!" and many other forms of these remarks. It's incredibly insulting to these REAL people, that discussions of these shitty people take priority over them. Once again, not saying that we need to stop talking about games in general, or anything-- damn near every form of media will have a team behind it-- but we should speak up and oust folks who have large roles on their team.
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Why not close the gaming section completly. I can not wait until Red dead comes out and there is something controversial in it^^
 
Yeah, I really hope they never go the route of banning discussion of games because of some questionable (or even outright terrible) comment, tweet, behavior of a member of a huge development team.

Some terrible moderation in political/social issue threads aside, I still like that site just because its maybe the most active game forum on the net and the pure gaming stuff is mostly well moderated to limit fanboy nonsense and trolling. But banning discussion of games would have me pretty much quit the online gaming community as there's just no good places left that aren't either too slow for me (like here) or largely unmoderated and full of fanboys and trolls.

I can't see them going that route though since they didn't for far worse (to their community) things like Kingdom Come Deliverance. And barring that such meltdown threads are just good for laughs at the absurdity and identifying the crazies to put on ignore so you don't rub them the wrong way and get banned.
 
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