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Ineffectual, purely performative actions seem more consistent with narcissism and a desperate need to conform to a group identity than any sort of moral stance.
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Ineffectual, purely performative actions seem more consistent with narcissism and a desperate need to conform to a group identity than any sort of moral stance.
supermassiveblackhole
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No they don't, at all. It's about being consistent with morals, nothing about this is indicative of what you claim.
Caayn
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A while later and they still haven't done anything. Just created a Twitter account to publicly ask them about it. Hopefully it can gain some attention that they don't play nice with your personal information and hopefully they'll finally delete my information.
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Who is Ian kit? I am not joking. I don't understand this sentence.
But its completely useless to do so unless you want to have a moral highground and have the feeling you did something right. Boycotting a game has no effect on sales but it purely caters to your personal stance.
Even so, you decide at the counter, what's the point of saying you won't buy the game versus actually not buying the game? You don't need to be vocal about not buying a game. The fact that people enmasse feel the need to proclaim this suggests that there is more to it than ''I am not going to buy the game''.
When you even orchestrate a thread to achieve this, and do so with the intention to have the game get less sales than it feels more like a group mentality or the need to find similar minded people and less with something to do about personal stance.
The question really should be: Over what are you doing this over?
supermassiveblackhole
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Typo. Should have been isn't*
And no, again your being needlessly dismissive here. Boycotting is about personal choice and it doesn't matter at all about he end effect.
If a person goes all out trying to convince others to boycott, calls others out for not following their lead, and the boycott fails, I can see sense to mock that. But the act of boycotting alone is perfectly reosnable.
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https://www.resetera.com/threads/by-popular-demand-the-return-of-hide-forum-threads.35590/
There's a chrome extension you can use to hide threads. You can set filters to block threads with certain words in the title and just click the x that appears when you hover over threads to hide specific threads.
Only works in desktop chrome, so not useful if you only browse on mobile. Great if you only/mostly browse from a computer.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Its dumb in the sense that what ERA wants to get out of this - Lesser sales/financial failure - won't be achieved by a few folks boycotting the game.
Its perfectly fine to boycott the game by way of personal stance on a singular level - Its not fine to boycott the game enmasse where the actual reason isn't personal stance, but to see this game fail. That intent is clearly present there.
Effectively that thread is trying to convince others to boycott, but only online.
You know they won't do that offline - Thus this angry mob threatening to boycott has no effect on sales. Its only reasonable as a personal stance - But this angry mob does not have a collective personal stance. If you think that, then you think too highly of ERA's intentions. (And i am not saying you are doing so.)
Blam
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Should throw them a shitton of proof and give em a quick threat in the sense that they sorta are legally obligated to actually delete an account.
Which with VB is beyond easy to do. It's depending on theme, as simple as going to someones account and deleting it. Wiping the account also easy as fuck.
edit: seems like i'm a retard and just responded to a post on page 69 woops lol.
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supermassiveblackhole
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It's not dumb and the "Era" you speak of is a very vocal minority. So let's stop pretending it's indicative of the site's consensus. Much like this place has a very vocal right leaning core community but, overall, there may actually be more centre and left here.
Here is a flaw in your logic as a boycott is ultimately about not wanting the product to succeed, but I also agree that sometimes this means you're calling for people to lose jobs etc... that might have nothing to do with the issue which, imo, is shortsighted.
But then this issue is intertwined with all kinds of protesting, so in a way it's unavoidable unless you think boycotts and protests etc... should never happen.
It can be a difficult position when all things are considered, and I agree with you that the extreme voices - especially those shitting on others for not being extreme enough - are a problem.
Often mobile, often on PC with Firefox. But maybe I'll use Chrome for specific forums. Thank you, anyways!
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Agreed. I was using a generic title. I should have called it The Names and their puppets instead.
But its still dumb for the reasons i outlined. On a personal level its a reasonable take, taken as a group and reading the commentary about it, then i don't believe its all said just to confirm a personal stance. I know ERA longer than today, the intent is on damaging the game by virtue of a single tweet.
Its also dumb considering the amount of traffic ERA would lose if the staff actually forbade talking about or referencing the game. Why do you think they target anime titty games and at the same time advocate for Bowsette?
The bolded is the intended goal. Let the nuance also show that the damned tweet was removed within minutes and that CDPR might not be aware of the message behind the tag. It happens to everyone, its just double unfortunate that it happens to them when they already had a debateable moment not too long ago. Thus people are more inclined to doubt their intentions despite it very well might have been incorrect usage of the tag in question.
They should happen when they make sense. Boycotting a 7/8 year in development game because of one doofus on social media is not making sense. Boycott the game all you want on a personal level, but this organized angry mob i am not buying into.
supermassiveblackhole
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I agree, your posts were leaning toward calling boycott dumb in general which is where my problem lay. After clarification I agree with most of what you've written.
This particular instance did not deserve the boycott calls imo. It did deserve backlash for the tweet, but going beyond that seems overly reactionary.
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
FWIW i don't even think it deserves the kind of backlash that is given right now. Twitter is sadly a public outlet abused as a private one, which is the biggest problem, but another portion of the issue is reliant on a part of this industry's fanbase really being overly uppity-uppity on everything. You saw that with VC4, you saw it with Star Citizen, you see it now.
supermassiveblackhole
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Your dismal of minority concerns as being overly uppity is pretty gross imo when made as a generalised point. I agree with some specific instances, but this was justified imo.
This is a clear divide between us, so I don't expect much discussion to happen here.
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Dr. Claus
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Any forum worth visiting shouldn't require you to download an extension to hide threads.
supermassiveblackhole
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Not really, it's all about personal preference. Pretty sure if politics were not separate from OT plenty of people on Gaf would like this extension.
Musky_Cheese
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No because Gaffers asked for them to do it, they discussed with the community, and made the change.
supermassiveblackhole
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Yes, because users like that exist here too. People who don't care about political discussion. This is not an Era only thing, these kinds of extensions (extended user functionality including hiding threads and enhanced block options) have existed on every single large forum I've been a part of in the last 15 years.
Also, many people on Era wanted to use them to hide console war style threads, and some of the more silly thread like "do you wash your bum after pooping", and so on.
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Musky_Cheese
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That's why Gaf made the change. I feel like someone posted that your site wanted to. Have they yet?
supermassiveblackhole
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I'm sorry, my site?
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Sorry but it if you make a public declaration of a boycott, knowing full well that the end result of that action is going to be inconsequential, you are just pantomiming a faux moral stand. It is the epitome of performativity, it is going through the motions to preen before your peer-group.
Its empty, worthless, narcissism because it shows the concern is not for real-world effect but for appearance and self-aggrandizement.
There is zero moral currency in it, particularly in a low-effort environment like the internet, because simply harrumphing and typing a pithy statement safe in the knowledge that there's going to be zero follow-up (because noone really cares that much), is the slackest of slacktivist options.
You want to show your moral character DO SOMETHING REAL. Because this simply doesn't cut it.
Its empty, worthless, narcissism because it shows the concern is not for real-world effect but for appearance and self-aggrandizement.
There is zero moral currency in it, particularly in a low-effort environment like the internet, because simply harrumphing and typing a pithy statement safe in the knowledge that there's going to be zero follow-up (because noone really cares that much), is the slackest of slacktivist options.
You want to show your moral character DO SOMETHING REAL. Because this simply doesn't cut it.
supermassiveblackhole
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Not at all. If it's something that goes against your morals then it's a perfectly reasonable and consistent position to take.
The only time it becomes what you suggest is if it's bandied about like some badge of honour, or used to look down on others who don't share your view. Also, if that's the extent of your involvment in issues then I agree, if you care that much you should probably be doing more also.
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Musky_Cheese
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Sorry. The site you're on that I'm not, Better?
supermassiveblackhole
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Not really. You're honestly just as bad as some of the problematic posters on Era with your petty feud mentality. Just glad there are decent posters here who can both call out Era and keep the pettiness to a minimum. .
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You keep going back to the argument that being "reasonable and consistent" is a valid defense, which it absolutely is not. You can't expect change by consistently employing failing methods, and if change isn't what you are striving for, why interject in the first place?
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I am not sure why you think i am dismissing minority concerns here when i am quite vocal for LGBT rights.
Really though, if ''Problematic joke'' is the worst of your troubles as a minority, than trans people would have less issues. Unfortunately, problematic jokes are far from the most problematic things there.
What i am referring to with overly uppity-uppity is ERA's tendency to overreact on everything. In fact, their overreaction does not really help bringing trans acceptance in a positive light, it actively gives it a negative stigma imo.
There is no divide whatsoever, but i shouldn't be having to explain every single thing here or else i get told i dismiss minorities or that statements are gross. Please assume good faith when reading posts: If i talk about overly uppity-uppity, am i saying that minority concerns are bull? Ofcourse not.This is a clear divide between us, so I don't expect much discussion to happen here.
Musky_Cheese
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Blam
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https://www.resetera.com/threads/by...hide-forum-threads.35590/page-5#post-12676502
lol this sums up that extension pretty good.
decisions
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The CDPR thread is absolutely ridiculous.
First you were transphobic if you hated trans people acted on that by showing them disrespect. Sounds about right.
Then you were transphobic if you made jokes about trans people.
Then you were transphobic if you used a hashtag about trans people to make a pun.
Now you are transphobic and unworthy of posting on this video game forum if you don't agree that a person who made a pun with political hashtag isn't a totally worthless monster.
Of course this final stance has nothing to do with a discussion on transphobia but is more relevant to a discussion about free speech and the nature of acceptable humor, but I guess I'd be a fool to expect people on ERA to be intellectually honest enough to even make that distinction. Can't say ERA is healthy for anyone.
First you were transphobic if you hated trans people acted on that by showing them disrespect. Sounds about right.
Then you were transphobic if you made jokes about trans people.
Then you were transphobic if you used a hashtag about trans people to make a pun.
Now you are transphobic and unworthy of posting on this video game forum if you don't agree that a person who made a pun with political hashtag isn't a totally worthless monster.
Of course this final stance has nothing to do with a discussion on transphobia but is more relevant to a discussion about free speech and the nature of acceptable humor, but I guess I'd be a fool to expect people on ERA to be intellectually honest enough to even make that distinction. Can't say ERA is healthy for anyone.
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
And we are neo nazi's in their eyes so basically:
How ERA sees GAF:
How GAF sees ERA:
If anything GAF is less evil to ERA than ERA is to GAF judging by these emoticons.
I guess its indecisive. Take it away, Donald.
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Regarding Cyberpunk, DP but importante:
Even ERA's own community rather buys the game based on this poll - Which quickly got shutdown by The Names because ''We don't need to do this right now.''
. Can't have a progressive take on something when you are called one of the more progressive forums out there.
The results:
Let that sink in.
Even ERA's own community rather buys the game based on this poll - Which quickly got shutdown by The Names because ''We don't need to do this right now.''
The results:
- Yes. 360 vote(s), equaling 77.3%
- No. 84 vote(s), equaling 18.0%
- Used copy. 22 vote(s), equaling 4.7%
Let that sink in.
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Nah, I'd love one on every forum.
No one is interested in every topic so there's always clutter on the front page in terms of threads about games I don't care about etc. that get tons of posts and stay on top. It's nice to hide stuff like that just to make it easier to see posts that do interest me that otherwise get knocked down the list by the current hot topics I couldn't care less about.
Political threads there (or here) don't interest me at all, so those simply fall in that category of stuff to block to reduce clutter. Not because I'm bothered by them because of their specific content, views expressed or so on. In any case, being pretty far left, that site is a far better fit for me than here (crazy moderation in topics I don't care about or participate in aside) if I wanted to engage in that stuff. But I don't come to game forums for debates.
I'm on them for game news and shooting the shit about games I'm playing and I'm happy to block threads and users that don't fit that and are just keyboard warriors yelling about social/political issues on game forums. So I have long ignore lists on both places full of people from both sides that can't shut up about that nonsense and just talk games. Just helps me sort the wheat from the chaff and find the content I want to engage in.
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Patrick S.
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Yay, I got banned from era for a week because I posted "I understand some of these words..." in response to a guy (I guess?) who posted about his (I guess?) sexual orientation/flavour of the week in the current GOG outrage thread. First some outraged assholes piled on me telling me to fuck off, then they were are bit more outraged, then Bronsonlee came in and banned me for a week.
That forum is just... weak. When I have my posting "privilege" back, I'll give them a nice suicide post with a piece of my mind and then I swear not to ever give those fairies another click in my life.
That forum is just... weak. When I have my posting "privilege" back, I'll give them a nice suicide post with a piece of my mind and then I swear not to ever give those fairies another click in my life.
Regarding Cyberpunk, DP but importante:
Even ERA's own community rather buys the game based on this poll - Which quickly got shutdown by The Names because ''We don't need to do this right now.''. Can't have a progressive take on something when you are called one of the more progressive forums out there.
The results:
So out of 466 votes, an overwhelming majority will still buy CP2077 regardless of the controversy.
- Yes. 360 vote(s), equaling 77.3%
- No. 84 vote(s), equaling 18.0%
- Used copy. 22 vote(s), equaling 4.7%
Let that sink in.
The internet magnifies and empowers whoever has the most extreme viewpoint. This is true on ERA, Twitter, Facebook, WSHH, Hot Air Balloon forums, etc. It is because of self-selection in my opinion. The people with the most emotional investment and the most strongly held opinions are the loudest. If you don't care that much you don't want to get into an argument over it, or fight back. Easier to just ignore it.
That is why it is always good to remember that online communities are not monolithic and indivisible. As hard as it may be to believe, I bet the percentage of users who are closet conservative on Era is probably pretty big.
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#Phonepunk#
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it's not that, it's that people hold shitty views regardless of their political orientation or consumer stances. people think this isn't the case because they spend all their time pointing at the bad people over there. they think everything wrong with the world is the fault of other people. so long as they can point to others and call them bad, they have absolved themselves from self reflection. they cannot smell that their own shit stinks.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I understand your frustration, as do people who come from ERA back to GAF in how things are operated, but don't account suicide yourself there. I get that it feels good to do so, but you can't possibly expect that it will be taken seriously.
Some users don't hide their true colours.
Also we are coming close to page 100 here. Are we going to overhaul this thread to be more discussion-based rather than complaint-based?
Acerac
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Having dealt extensively with this community I have to say that they seem to thrive on taking offense to innocuous comments.Your dismal of minority concerns as being overly uppity is pretty gross imo when made as a generalised point. I agree with some specific instances, but this was justified imo.
This is a clear divide between us, so I don't expect much discussion to happen here.
I don't expect much discussion to happen as I used to be on your side of the debate and I probably would have held strong to my ideals as well. Just know that many actions that are commonly perceived as good deeds often have their true intent hidden.
Excel helped me realize that the adage about the wolf in sheep's clothing had merit. She actively has turned me off from wanted to discuss anything about the subject when I used to be the most wholehearted of allies.
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supermassiveblackhole
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I mean, I think I can reasonably justify my response if you have any interest with further questions etc... I don't mean I can convince you but I am open to conversation.
I'm also fully aware that people are not always what they seem.
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Acerac
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I wouldn't say you were wrong to feel the way you do. Like I said, I was legitimately in your shoes and nothing could have convinced me that I was wrong then.
Intimate dealings with a significant number in the community has changed my opinion more than anyone's words ever could.
Shame that there isn't much to debate here... kinda weak for a discussion forum. I just wanted to say I know the feeling and I'm shocked what the last year has taught me.
supermassiveblackhole
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Well, I don't believe that will be the case for me. Of course, you feel yourself enlightened and think I haven't yet discovered what you have, which could be true for some elements, but I do feel most of my beliefs won't change fundamentally.
I see places that offer actual open debate as a proving ground of sorts, a way to have my opinions and beliefs tested by opposing views. This is kind of essential, I think, and so far there seem to be enough people here who oppose my views, are willing to discuss and even concede sometimes, and while we're all prone to emotions and getting heated etc... they don't ever let that colour posts to the point it becomes too difficult to communicate.
I am open to listen to everyone unless they're touting extremism, hate speech, or just interested in petty squabbles.
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Acerac
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I promise you, I am not enlightened. I've just experienced situations from these communities that nobody in them was able to explain.
The answers were painful and I wouldn't have believed them if I didn't deal with the situations myself, but in hindsight, ERA is kind of all about extremism and petty squabbles and I should not have immersed myself deeply in a community with those mindsets. To be specific to this conversation, their trans members are the angriest and most hate filled people I have tried to deal with in my life. Excel singlehandedly made me wonder about the validity of the common claims being made by the community and I am incredibly saddened to say that her anger towards everyone outside of her very specific group is something I have experienced from a shocking number of individuals in ERA's trans community.
That brings us full circle to why we started this convo, isn't it? Calling a group who is extreme in their beliefs and squabbles constantly uppity seems fairly apt to me. Granted I could understand why one would take offense at that, it's dismissive and ignores the validity of the claim based solely on who makes it, but if the shoe fits....
The answers were painful and I wouldn't have believed them if I didn't deal with the situations myself, but in hindsight, ERA is kind of all about extremism and petty squabbles and I should not have immersed myself deeply in a community with those mindsets. To be specific to this conversation, their trans members are the angriest and most hate filled people I have tried to deal with in my life. Excel singlehandedly made me wonder about the validity of the common claims being made by the community and I am incredibly saddened to say that her anger towards everyone outside of her very specific group is something I have experienced from a shocking number of individuals in ERA's trans community.
That brings us full circle to why we started this convo, isn't it? Calling a group who is extreme in their beliefs and squabbles constantly uppity seems fairly apt to me. Granted I could understand why one would take offense at that, it's dismissive and ignores the validity of the claim based solely on who makes it, but if the shoe fits....
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Dr. Claus
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They are, single-handedly, the most toxic group of people on the internet that I have had the displeasure of interacting with. When you make groups like Breitbart and The_Donald look calm, collected, and the most kind, caring people on the internet - you fucked up. Hard.
supermassiveblackhole
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They do not, in any way, make those places look calm. That's an incredible claim.
Dr. Claus
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Twice? Gotta bring up those numbers. Those are rookie numbers. I am getting it five times over.
Blam
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I mean hey if its gonna be next gen I'll gladly have to purchase on PS4 since we already know that Xbox is gonna have backwards buy for titles like this.
I feel like I'm doing my part with 2 of whatever $150+ version there is.
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I wouldn't call them nearly that bad, but they are so ridiculous that they've made me care much less about their cause.
Dr. Claus
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I just can't stand it when people make light of serious issues like racism, tranphobia, sexism, homophobia, etc. Those are very serious problems that many still deal with today. However, when you make constant claims of such, you make light of real racists, real transphobic assholes, real homophobic dick nuggets. When you do so, you are no better than the people you claim to fight against. That is ERA in a nutshell for me.
Blam
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I mean but they are seriously that bad.
Redneckerz
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Or being upset that all your games got stolen (And you aren't thinking straight) and then you have this saying ''the best of luck to you, but i consider it important for you to know that ''cocksucker'' is an offensive term to the LGBT community''. (Non-verbatim)
This is coming from someone i actually highly respect, so imagine my surprise.
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