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Tygeezy
Member
Good ole dog whistling. Supposedly meant for racist Conservatives, but only the far left liberals seem to be the ones that actually hear it.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
He didn't spell anything wrong though, which was my point. Behavior or Behaviour is both correct.
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Boss Mog
Member
You post was pretty sensible and inoffensive. They really are mentally deranged over there.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
The Elite
BOSS
Can't unsee.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
As a green guy, that would be mighty inappropiate, but it is an amazing find
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Don't you worry:
As a green guy, that would be mighty inappropiate, but it is an amazing find
A little less obvious but recognizable.
This one is better if you shitpost though. (Spoilered, because GROSS):
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I never shitpost, at worst a post might be a turd.Don't you worry:
A little less obvious.
This one is better if you shitpost though. (Spoilered, because GROSS):
.EDIT: For some reason it does now.
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
First one was just a base64 jpg which does not show up, so i got a cropped versionI never shitpost, at worst a post might be a turd.
The first link does not appear to work for me though
EDIT: For some reason it does now.
royox
Member
God fucking dammit xDDDDDDDDDD
JordanN
Banned
https://www.resetera.com/threads/la...r-be-a-white-male.76971/page-11#post-14202279
Classic Resetera post. Always bitching and moaning that "America is racist". So why the hell do they live there and not move to another progressive utopia?
Actually, I can't name any progressive utopia. The idea that only America is racist and every other country was built by saints is damn hilarious.
Ivellios
Member
Awesome hahahha
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Now this was a well played rebuttal.
Corrik
Member
Resetera is not against doxxing. They are just against you knowing they are for it publicly. Not surprised you are now banned the same day as.Hello everybody, I come from ResetEra, I normally don't post here, mostly because I don't personally agree with positions and attitudes from a lot of users and sometimes staff decisions but I've discovered something extremely troubling about one of the admins of ResetEra, Hecht, and since I've been permabanned from that site(ironically enough the same day I notified the mods about this and was waiting for their response) for concern trolling(fair to say I don't agree with the way my words and intentions were interpreted at all, take a look if you're interested: #556 and #567) I don't have anywhere else to really post this at this point, and I firmly believe this is something that NEEDS to reach as many resetera users as possible because i truly believe this is a fundamental issue about leadership over there.
Ok let's begin:
Everyone is familiar with the GOG tweet scandal by now. As the discussion progressed, some users were posting identifiable information about the person behind the infamous tweet. Of course(and thankfully) doxxing is heavily moderated on ResetEra and everything was removed. There are also multiple mod posts about refraining from releasing or endorsing the doxxing of this person. Here's the mod post detailing the forum's strong stance on releasing personal information of this person:
At the same time on twitter someone started posting a twitter thread with identifiable information about the GOG PR person, and in the final tweet he thanked Hecht for providing this information, this final tweet was liked by Hecht.
This is the whole thread. Sorry for all the censoring and all that, I would post the archive link, since I've saved this as soon as I saw it, but it contains doxxing information and I won't post it, but I have provided the archive to the mods and they told me that I could post information about it here and they can hopefully confirm that i'm not pulling this out of my ass.
Interesting thing to note: both the person that posted the thread and Hecht have their personal twitters set to private at the time i'm writing this. I'm not sure if that's related to this or not, but looking at the whole timeline and the timing of this I felt the need to point that out.
-The reason why this is troubling is because not only doxxing in general is abhorrent, but seeing one of the admins of one of the most influential gaming forums approve of such behaviour at the very least and also going out of their way to personally provide identifying information that lead to that doxxing at the very worst, is absolutely unacceptable and I just felt the need to bring this thing to light because i haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else.-
All I ask is for someone at the top of the resetera management to acknowledge this, and at least explain this behaviour and possibly apologise for it and I haven't seen that so far.
Blam
Member
They also have the doxxing of the guy who leaked the smash roster. Rest his soul because he's gonna get fucked reemed by that community.
Corrik
Member
I want to remind you that a lot of the reason politics threads are the way they are because you have a lot of non-americans talking about american politics, and without a way of knowing they aren't American their posts go basically as taken for granted to be from an American.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Redneckerz
and the evidence towards an echo chamber. It is increasingly difficult to do this in a way that does not come off as an attack on individual members, so I will try to point you towards a recent set of threads that, in their tone, headline and participation are indicative of what I am talking about. I tried to make sure I do not post several threads from the same person and not to post anything that specifically calls out singular persons. Also please keep in mind that being part of a right-leaning super-majority does not mean you are a bad poster or an idiot overall. I would have to be counted towards a left-leaning echo chamber during my tenure on Resetera as well. If anyone is feeling personally attacked by this posting, please excuse me and if you ask me about it, as someone whose thread or postings I am highlighting here, I will remove this list entirely.A thread calling Obama and a large part of the democratic party communists:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/one-thing-that-sucks-about-newfound-conservatism.1467222/
On a related note, we also had that thread calling Hitler a socialist (and a crazy amount of people agreeing to that)
A crazy consiracy theory about staged bomb letters, supported by a pretty significant amount of posters in there: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/so-these-bombs.1467233/
Trump's alleged attack on transgender people took 17 posts to find an opposing voice, with numerous before just celebrating the expected negative reaction of "leftists": https://www.neogaf.com/threads/trum...narrowing-legal-definition-of-gender.1467067/
I would also like to bring up the significant amount of "NPC"-avatars recently - going as far as specifically bullying a member of this forum who is left-leaning.
Cunth
Fingerlickin' Good!
A thread calling Obama and a large part of the democratic party communists:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/one-thing-that-sucks-about-newfound-conservatism.1467222/
On a related note, we also had that thread calling Hitler a socialist (and a crazy amount of people agreeing to that)
A crazy consiracy theory about staged bomb letters, supported by a pretty significant amount of posters in there: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/so-these-bombs.1467233/
Trump's alleged attack on transgender people took 17 posts to find an opposing voice, with numerous before just celebrating the expected negative reaction of "leftists": https://www.neogaf.com/threads/trum...narrowing-legal-definition-of-gender.1467067/
I would also like to bring up the significant amount of "NPC"-avatars recently - going as far as specifically bullying a member of this forum who is left-leaning.
Honest question: why do you care? There could be a majority that are conservative now, but in 6 months it might be completely different. Do you want quotas on political opinions? The important thing is everyone is free to give their opinions and people aren't banned for them
They agree to this because he used socialist ideologies in his regime. Stalin was also a Socialist. Social list does not mean good or bad it is a way to rule over a country. Socialism is not about individuality it is about the whole country etc. It is called National Sozialismus for a reason.....
If you understand Socialism as people doing the right thing etc then no of course Hitler was not a good person. But if we look at the ideology and what it stands for then you can say he was a socialist. But just calling him socialist is way to easy. Hitler did not follow an ideology but rather created his own. And for this he took parts from Socialism, capitalism, nationalism etc.
Also for starting a World War he also had to move to socialistic values because otherwise he could not have the production ,logistics and resources need for such a thing.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Because
Redneckerz
appeared really, really eager to get evidence for my claim. I obviously did not care enough to collect postings on that previous, I only did because
Redneckerz
and someone else found it to be exceedingly important that I do.I agree that moderation does not enforce the echo chamber in a significant way and I never stated that dissenting opinions lead to a ban.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
You are quoting a post from another thread and then go on to answer to something completely detached from the quote and this thread? What is going on ^^?
Sorry I messed up and corrected it
And I answered to your post about Hitler being a socialist. This is really not some right wing shit. ^^
Papa
Banned
You brought up the Hitler socialism thing though.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
It is completely false. Compare Hitler's policies to Marx's writings and you see next to no similarities. Even on the point of religion, Hitler may not have been best friends with the Christian religion, but he was fine with mythology.Sorry I messed up and corrected it
And I answered to your post about Hitler being a socialist. This is really not some right wing shit. ^^
Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
And this is what Hitler did for the most it was all about the collective a big example was the Hitler Jugend. Individualism was not allowed also in terms of Work and he needed this to be able to have enough resources for his War. To say he did not use socialist ideologies and principles is pretty naive in my opinion.
edit: But maybe if you want to discuss it we should it move to the right thread?^^
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Kagey K
Banned
Ok so this is a new one for me.
The account got banned for quoting a post and replying "Great Post."
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ru...l-roller-coaster-updates-in-op.76702/page-146
User Banned (Duration Pending): Junior phase account rationalizing and dismissing harassment
Wtf is this?
The account got banned for quoting a post and replying "Great Post."
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ru...l-roller-coaster-updates-in-op.76702/page-146
User Banned (Duration Pending): Junior phase account rationalizing and dismissing harassment
Wtf is this?
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
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Dunki
: Collectivism is not the same as socialism, though socialism is also based on collectivism. You are arguing for a root in collectivism, which is in a sense correct (the strong focus on person-cult and single strong men, as well as strong hierarchies go counter to that, though), but it does not make it socialism, at all.
It is a huge part of it in the end though. People also called it Utopian Socialism if I remember correctly.
Again Socialism. Stalin also considered himself a Socialist and he used the tactics Hitler used at that time as well. But as I said calling him a Socialist is way too easy. Socialism was definitely a part of his strategy though. And this is what the thread here was mostly about. People never would compare Hitler to A Sanders.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
By saying someone adheres to an ideology it is insufficient to point out that that person's ideology and the ideology under consideration share some common base concepts. What is unique about socialism when compared to other collectivist ideologies is not present in Hitler's policies. Therefore, calling Hitler a socialist is indicative of an uncritical demonisation or at least reduction of socialism.
With Stalin it is more difficult, because the USSR did start by socialist concepts. It wasn't a proper execution in many ways, because of the strong hierarchy and the lack of decision power for the common workers, but this is actually a case of starting from socialism and changing in execution. It is fair to call Stalin's regime socialist. It is not for Hitler's, he did not even try to adhere to socialist ideas.
Papa
Banned
Are you saying socialism = communism? Why else mention Marx?
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I am more than a bit puzzled by this question. Marx is one of the central theorists behind socialism. Socialism can, in a simple form, be understood as a meritocratic form of communism. But in the end, yes, communism and socialism are very close conceptually.
Ribi
Member
Some admin has a stick up tier ass going through looking for anything that makes them scream gross in those kinds of threads. You even give the slightest appearance you're against the hive mind or you get the hammer.
Noboru Wataya
Banned
This shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone who was on Gaf a year or so ago. It happened to many of us I'm sure.
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Ribi
Member
And yet they somehow think they left us behind when they are just old gaf which was a fucking awful forum
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
You are obsessed with defending your notion that this is an echo chamber. Give it a rest.
A thread calling Obama and a large part of the democratic party communists:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/one-thing-that-sucks-about-newfound-conservatism.1467222/
On a related note, we also had that thread calling Hitler a socialist (and a crazy amount of people agreeing to that)
A crazy consiracy theory about staged bomb letters, supported by a pretty significant amount of posters in there: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/so-these-bombs.1467233/
Trump's alleged attack on transgender people took 17 posts to find an opposing voice, with numerous before just celebrating the expected negative reaction of "leftists": https://www.neogaf.com/threads/trum...narrowing-legal-definition-of-gender.1467067/
I would also like to bring up the significant amount of "NPC"-avatars recently - going as far as specifically bullying a member of this forum who is left-leaning.
The OP of the Obama/conservatie/"Communist" thread was immediately attacked. If there was any "echo", it was people shrieking that he was a Neo-liberal. If posting this particular thread was meant to show this site was right-leaning-super-majority, you actually demonstrated the exact opposite. The thread hasn't even crossed 1 page, for that matter.
The conspiracy thread about bombs? Also hasn't crossed 1 page yet (as of this writing).
The thread about Trump's proposed changes to gender laws? TONS of disagreement. It's funny how you say "there wasn't an opposing voice for 17 posts" as if that means anything because the thread itself was absolutely packed with dissenting voices. What would be the correct response according to your own sensitivities?
"Significant number of NPC avatars"? How many, like five? I usually only see Kadayi and one other (can't even remember the username now). The notion that there is a "significant amount" is an exaggeration borne out of your overactive paranoia.
This post is a monument to your own biases, not to the state of the forum. Jump in. Participate. The "double-secret hidden Nazi cabal" lurking behind every post and every NPC avatar won't infect you because they don't exist.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Sorry, but that's disingenious. I talked about this once, then was forced into it on a completely different topic by you (with this posting, if you are unsure what I am talking about):You are obsessed with defending your notion that this is an echo chamber. Give it a rest.
Then
Redneckerz
kept on bothering me to give him a specific form of evidence for that claim, which I wouldn't have done otherwise at all. The only reason above posting exists is that you and Redneckerz kept on bothering me with my valuation from a different thread.
Redneckerz
even repeated his demand for the evidence in another unrelated later post. What would you have wanted for me to do? Ignore the continued request? It's not like I am posting this because I have a strong desire to talk about this again and again.The point here was how tendentious the headlining is there.
Certainly not "huhuh, imagine what those crazy lefties are going to say about this". Or are you asking for my opinion on that matter? I think if it says sex, list sex, if it says gender, list gender, but consider what information is important at that point. For an ID / birth certificate I would assume gender is more important usually. I don't remember ever showing such a document to a doctor, to whom sex is more important. I tis used in social contexts, where the gender is the topic at hand. So consequently, it is a petty action that only serves as a micro aggression towards transgender people and social justice activists. If it was merely about precision (which I can get behind!) then it would have been more sensible to rename the field to gender.
Where did I say Nazi? There is one person I have in mind who is posting here who I would call that, certainly not enough to talk about a Nazi cabal. A pretty big, loud and condescending right hyper majority that gives especially the politics forum a pretty awkward tone? Yes. Also you do not need to tell me to post, I think I am posting more than enough, don't you agree on that?
Leonard Washington
Banned
Its interesting how all of the things that made old GAF so shitty is not only present and correct but reinforced and deified on Era. Makes you think that this is how "heathens" must've felt when they saw those who'd been "saved" by organized religion cavorting in and celebrating their oppression.
Strange.
Strange.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Searching your name + 'echo chamber' yields a significant number of results. It's obsession. You also said:
I don't expect you to take the post down. However, don't pretend to be polite and deferential and then call the person who calls you out "disingenuous". That's very... disingenuous of you.
You don't have a strong desire to talk about it, yet you repeat the same hyper-partisan nonsense again and again. Disingenuous.Then
Headlines do not an echo chamber make. But you know that. You like to use extreme language and then coyly retreat and say "oh, but I only meant..." Disingenuous again! You seem to be part of a cross-website, left hyper majority obsessed with policing everyone's speech. Communist!
Disingenuous. Awkward. Hyper majority. Condescending. [buzzword] [buzzword] This isn't how conversations are made. By imitating your style and dismissing everything you said with "disingenuous", have I convinced you of my viewpoint? Of course not.
And I hope my point is obvious enough to not require further explanation.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I have explained to you why there are so many instances of this, it is not by my choice (other than having the decency of answering to it when you or
Redneckerz
bring the topic up again).I did not list a topic by you, this was a line specifically for people who may feel personally attacked by having their post or thread highlighted here. The disingenious part is asking me about evidence and then complaining that I provide it, because that's "obsessive". But feel free to tell me how this combination of actions is not screaming disingenious.
I still believe what I said and I was very adamently asked to provide evidence for it. So even if it is not of utmost importance to me, you and
Redneckerz
cared enough about it to bother me about it in a lengthy conversation, I did make the requested post.The headlines are easier to discuss here whil emaking sure to not talk about the same person repeatedly. They do have a significant impact on the tone and further lines of argument were given by the string of postings in the gender topic, by the aggressive NPC avatars and the hilarious Hitler topic.
I am not a native speaker, my vocabulary is coloured by the venues I use to learn the language. Which includes, besides my job in computer science, in particular NeoGAF and (until a couple months ago) ResetEra. It is not my intention to pester you with insubstantial wordings, but from my understanding of the language, these terms should be reasonably precise to describe what I want to say.
royox
Member
WHY AM I BEING SUMMONED HERE?
Sorry I made a mistake.....
prag16
Banned
Who is being disingenuous now?
You've been complaining about nugaf ever since Era threw you away like garbage. And even after what they have done and what they continue to do, it seems clear you'd take them back if they'd have you. Stockholm Syndrome.
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Deleted member 752119
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Meh. I feel his pain. It's a shame there isn't really any traditional game forum (I.e. not Reddit, Discord etc.) well moderated (to get rid of the fanboy nonsense and trolls) that's not infested by political crap from one or both sides.
At least gaming is active over there. Yoshi should have just done what I do now on my new account over their and just completely avoid any and all political/social issue threads. They do a good job of keeping that crap in dedicated threads in gaming and out of the OTs etc. now.
In terms of the echo chamber stuff, they definitely are one with how they stifle dissenting opinions. GAF isn't. It just can feel like one to people like us who have complete disdain and utter for the right as some pretty out there right views are allowed to be posted and that triggers many of us and biases how we see the community. And that's fine. Forums are private sites and they can allow or disallow whatever they want. GAF simply isn't the community for me and I won't be back after this post.
At least gaming is active over there. Yoshi should have just done what I do now on my new account over their and just completely avoid any and all political/social issue threads. They do a good job of keeping that crap in dedicated threads in gaming and out of the OTs etc. now.
In terms of the echo chamber stuff, they definitely are one with how they stifle dissenting opinions. GAF isn't. It just can feel like one to people like us who have complete disdain and utter for the right as some pretty out there right views are allowed to be posted and that triggers many of us and biases how we see the community. And that's fine. Forums are private sites and they can allow or disallow whatever they want. GAF simply isn't the community for me and I won't be back after this post.
prag16
Banned
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
If I did not like GAF I wouldn't post here. I do think though, that many people are too crass in their judgement of Resetera here and I think it is unfair behaviour to celebrate because people may feel bad about something. It is also unfair to judge the whole community on some overly sensitive moderators. I am not generally complaining about GAF all the time. Basically the only three complaints I had was the severe right swing, the banning of Kevin Keene and that clearly racist positions are being accepted.
Whatever you mean by taking them back. I would stay away from everything except games, but I would post in the games forum, yes. Not because of Stockholm Syndrome, but because there are many people there that I like, there is a very active community of platformer fans and also a very active Indie development thread. It is a good forum with good intentions but a few overly sensitive people who, from my perspective, are unfit for a moderator or administrator position in just that.
Freeman76
Member
Era is the most condescending, bullshit forum I have ever seen. You should read the RDR2 OT, its like a cult of narcissistic wankers.
JordanN
Banned
Stating facts is trolling and "sensitive".
https://www.resetera.com/threads/wh...st-scream-read-op.65064/page-44#post-14229062
I've always wanted to say this, but I find it bullshit how now a days, people will run to science to defend their beliefs in climate change, but if someone uses science to back up biological differences in humans, they scream "oh my god, sexist/racist!".
Especially in a thread crying about sexualization in video games. We already accept suspensions of disbelief when women characters are portrayed as equal or of even greater strength to male characters when in real life, that would never be possible.
Not saying that is inherently bad, but that's because we accept when video games are not meant to be taken seriously and everything is meant to be a work of fiction or entertainment.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/wh...st-scream-read-op.65064/page-44#post-14229062
I've always wanted to say this, but I find it bullshit how now a days, people will run to science to defend their beliefs in climate change, but if someone uses science to back up biological differences in humans, they scream "oh my god, sexist/racist!".
Especially in a thread crying about sexualization in video games. We already accept suspensions of disbelief when women characters are portrayed as equal or of even greater strength to male characters when in real life, that would never be possible.
Not saying that is inherently bad, but that's because we accept when video games are not meant to be taken seriously and everything is meant to be a work of fiction or entertainment.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
So, it "feels like" an echochamber because people can give opinions that don't align with yours? You do realize how that makes no sense, right? But oh well, if you want the echo chamber, you know full well where to find it and it is clearly where you are more comfortable. Hopefully you will learn that your strange vitriol for a political party (to the point where you literally cannot handle a difference in opinion) is more than a little bit unhealthy, and this comes from another Liberal.
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