Yoshi
You don't have to tag me 6 times, this will generate 6 notifications...
Redneckerz
and the evidence towards an echo chamber. It is increasingly difficult to do this in a way that does not come off as an attack on individual members, so I will try to point you towards a recent set of threads that, in their tone, headline and participation are indicative of what I am talking about. I tried to make sure I do not post several threads from the same person and not to post anything that specifically calls out singular persons. Also please keep in mind that being part of a right-leaning super-majority does not mean you are a bad poster or an idiot overall. I would have to be counted towards a left-leaning echo chamber during my tenure on Resetera as well. If anyone is feeling personally attacked by this posting, please excuse me and if you ask me about it, as someone whose thread or postings I am highlighting here, I will remove this list entirely.
By this admission i appreciate the effort done regardless of agreement or not. Down below i will also shed some personal comment since i am not impervious or blind to what does go on (Especially towards one user) so ill have to address that. Your links ill back up with a short statement.
The OP in this says that based off of Glenn Beck (I dunno who that is) Obama is a communist. Some other put in ''Yeah Obama was communist yolo'' postings which i consider little of merit.
OP's point is one that can be
challenged as its not so much an indication of right-winging GAF but simply an agreement on something. Since there is only that, i would ask OP
why he considers Obama a communist.
Unironically, i can
see where he is coming from. The word communist has taken on a negative meaning when
aspects of its theories can be inherently
positive. Calling Obama a communist
can be seen as calling him a socialist. Which, if i have to translate US politics into Dutch (And there is a fast difference), it would mean Obama would be akin to the SP, which has communist influences but is far from being right-wing (They are easily
left in European context)
Au contraire however, Obama's Democrats are more akin to centre politics, if
translated to European politics. Obamacare is something socialist imo, and although it was a big idea in the US (Where people used to ''dealing with it yourself'', its a rather common train of thought in European centre/and centre-left politics.
That being said, i don't believe that link proves beyond a
reasonable doubt that GAF is a right winging echo chamber, as you would call it.
On a related note, we also had that thread calling Hitler a socialist (and a crazy amount of people agreeing to that)
Well, the Nazi-
Socialist party was called that way for a reason... that being said, when citing Hitler in anything less than the damning Nazi that he were (As people close to him have reminded us that Hitler, in private atleast, was a lot more mild than he was for the
public - his outer Nazi staff) it is a must to add that into the mix. Then we need to look at Hitler in a total package, so also when he were in private spaces.
Also,
that thread (Which i assume is the first link) contains no reference to
Adolf or
Hitler.
A crazy consiracy theory about staged bomb letters, supported by a pretty significant amount of posters in there:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/so-these-bombs.1467233/
''Maybe this is a drunk thread''.
Then the post by
TrainedRage
, perhaps he can chirp in. Personally, i do find it
odd that so many bomb letters have bent sent out, they were all captured before exploding, and that nobody never really noticed them on so many occasions (Surely you would assume that simple checks would reveal something, likely i am just acting simple here)
Aside from a few explanations, TR does ask
questions: Too numerous, but they do provide a basis to discourse. To the opposite view i would have also asked what would be in it for the Republicans.
Again, i do not feel this proves
beyond a reasonable doubt that GAF is a right wing echo chamber. Also its a crappy OP imo, so this would likely be ignored by me. You could have reported it though.
Trump's alleged attack on transgender people took 17 posts to find an opposing voice, with numerous before just celebrating the expected negative reaction of "leftists":
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/trum...narrowing-legal-definition-of-gender.1467067/
I think the OP through a mocking picture is very
steering the subject. In this particular case, i would reason that this is not a
neutral POV and if
Bill O'Rights
needs an example, then this is the thread why i am tagging you for. Bill, if you read this, please read this sentence above and the lines below. You would only have to read this part though as its more specifically addressed to you.
The other few posts are oneliners. This is not even right-wing, but more like a
GAF thing. With no disrespect or attack to the users there (
DeepEnigma
,
Cunth
, which is why i am tagging them for transparency), this is one
aspect of GAF i would much see disappear (Personally).
When a thread is made, i don't feel a response should be a oneliner like that. With the introduction of the like system, it is readily apparent that these oneliners get quick hits for agreeing with the sentiment, but truth be told, they hardly contain any content. This also goes for the OP. I'd prefer that the OP didn't steer the discussion in a direction that is far from being objective, but that he/she would also bring forth some more explainative opinion rather than what is presented here. In short: Whilst nobody has to change his ways obviously, i am a strong proponent of shifting GAF to a more knowledge-based conversation tree than the quicker, social media based conversations that these threads generate now. When a thread is made, i would love to see some actual depth thoughts and commentary doing the same way, rather than quick oneliners where the intent is on getting people behind you for the likes.
Don't take this the wrong way, i get it - But its also part why, before the crash, there was always a negative
stigma around GAF imo.
Its also strange that you only took very recent topics - One from yesterday, one from today, and the last example from 5 days ago. Surely, at the time of proclamation that there is an echo chamber and the search for evidence, i assumed you would have seen something that was more
concrete than these allusions hurt by
context. There are definitely some things i can relate to (See below) but i do not believe that these examples prove beyond reason that we are dealing with an echo chamber here - Such a strong term should be backed up with something with more
weight to it.
Does that mean this is a complete dismissal? Well, no. Like i said i am not blind either so i am also saying that some aspects of your talks have merit and grounds.
The funny part is that although i only have it vaguely in my memory, there are actually far better posts or even threads (Which i reckon are lesser known) that you could have picked to support your theory.
I do agree that there is a tendency to move to a different direction, and the consistent fingerblaming towards Nobody is something i do strongly condone. But the same also goes for someone like TheLastWord in Gaming. This singular directed pointing is something that GAF should not need to have: As much as i disagree with his or your opinions, i am not going to make a mocking out of it every single day of the week. That is a big no-no.
I also agree with the sentiment that too seldom people are not answering questions given. See TrainedRage's questions: Hardly anyone is ever addressing it.
This might be an indicator of what you percieve as echo-chamber - People just ''liking'' things and never questioning them. IF that's the case, then that
aspect definitely has some merit.
The NPC meme is something that is funny
in context.
I can definitely understand the hurtful nature of it directed at Nobody Important (As pointed above), however in this i feel the mocking intent is more prominent and apparent that it outweighs the hurtfulness.
Like everything else however Yoshi, i do not think this is indicative of an right wing
echochamber - It does show that conversation wise there are things that could be improved upon GAF and this is the part as to why i tagged Bill into this.
Because
Redneckerz
appeared really, really eager to get evidence for my claim. I obviously did not care enough to collect postings on that previous, I only did because
Redneckerz
and someone else found it to be exceedingly important that I do.
Because i am convinced that one could provide reasonable evidence to the
crime that is a right wing echo chamber. And whilst your examples prove that there is definitely an
influence going on, it does not provide enough merit assume that there is a right-wing echo chamber.
You are obsessed with defending your notion that this is an echo chamber. Give it a rest.
This post is a monument to your own biases, not to the state of the forum. Jump in. Participate. The "double-secret hidden Nazi cabal" lurking behind every post and every NPC avatar won't
infect you because they don't exist.
Whilst i also agree with your take, i do not want to dismiss Yoshi's notions entirely. I agree with you here, but i think, and this is what Yoshi did point out, that GAF as a forum is
susceptible to takes that fall a bit short from
accepted and alternative opinion and venture more into less nuanced and more extreme views.
I don't think that should be ignored for the sake of upholding the idea that we aren't an echo chamber: We aren't, but lets just say we do have some echo columns that could lead to a chamber if we they are not taken care of.
If I did not like GAF I wouldn't post here. I do think though, that many people are too crass in their judgement of Resetera here and I think it is unfair behaviour to celebrate because people may feel bad about something.
Going to have to disagree here. Whilst there is certainly people on ERA that are just like GAFfers here, i am against
downplaying what the site tends to do. And whilst these users have nothing to do with it, that should not be a reason to judge the site
accordingly.
It is indeed that the most vocal generate the most attention, and thus, if we would move to a
knowledge-based forum, we should keep in account that
not everyone on ERA thinks the same parteimetric or agrees with the policy enforced by
The Names. That being said, it is also a scary thought how many participating posters tend to think very irrational and want Trump's head gone or Obama's head on the chopping block. As the CDPR/GOG controversies show, there is very little in the way of empathy and common sense being employed, often coupled with hypocrisy.
Whilst the first two are hard to swallow pills, its the
hypocrisy which lands ERA being judged and percieved as negatively (And often mockingly) as they are. This is also why i advocate that GAF eventually moves away from pointing this hypocrisy out -
Only when this hypocrisy gains no attention a change might occur.
Basically the only three complaints I had was the severe right swing, the banning of Kevin Keene and that clearly racist positions are being accepted.
You didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt the first complaint, the banning of Kevin Keene was, although it was in forced aftersight, a just one considering his views on children (Do notice GAF does not talk about that, this is something i found out myself based on your
defence for him) and the racist position is, like the
right-wing echo chamber comment, something you would need to provide evidence for.
Because you didn't in this case.
Whatever you mean by taking them back. I would stay away from everything except games, but I would post in the games forum, yes. Not because of Stockholm Syndrome, but because there are many people there that I like, there is a very active community of platformer fans and also a very active Indie development thread. It is a good forum with good intentions but a few overly sensitive people who, from my perspective, are unfit for a moderator or administrator position in just that.
''A few overly sensitive people'' might be correct from the total number of active users, but its these sensitive people that create and maintain the negative imagery associated with the site. To say it like this is
downplaying the significant influence these users and staff members have, and its why you are now subject to an accusation of Stockholm Syndrome.
I don't see it as such, but i definitely disagree with the
downplaying on display here. You are ofcourse fully allowed to see ERA
at this moment as better than that, and for a group of people, its definitely the case, but these
sensitive people are the
exact reason why the site is so heavily criticized in the first place.
